AT&T called out

Posted by: MacBozo

AT&T called out - 12/17/09 07:10 PM

This is pretty damning info.

Chokehold Indeed: AT&T Spending Less To Make More

I already have the Death Star logo saved and ready to use. laugh
Posted by: Jim_

Re: AT&T called out - 12/17/09 10:33 PM

Just because they are spending less doesn't mean they aren't upgrading the infrastucture. Maybe they've become more efficient, maybe the hardware is saturated to a point and they are upgrading the software end to carry more data. I see no real data to form an opinion on one way or another.

Just because a company cuts costs and raises profits doesn't mean it's bad. That's the point of running a business in a free market. Now a socialistic economy not so much, but we don't want that now do we.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: AT&T called out - 12/18/09 06:10 AM

They also agree in principle to net neutrality, but don't want regulation to support/ensure it. It just seems that they are trying to dodge responsibility for poor service in some areas. iPhones are not the only devices capable of using 3G services. My little LG phone has 3G and, if I wanted (and could afford) unlimited data, it would cost me 1/2 what they charge for their iPhone plan.
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: AT&T called out - 12/18/09 06:18 AM

Originally Posted By: Reboot
Now a socialistic economy not so much, but we don't want that now do we.


Yeah, because the fact I have to pay $70 a month to a WISP to get a 2 meg connection is way better than in they have it in Europe where they pay 1/2 that and get 10x the speed in the middle of the countryside. But hey, the cable company only promised the first houses that when the street filled up they'd string cable. I really shouldn't be bitter, after all stringing a mile of cable eats into their profits. That certainly outweighs the fact they've lied to everyone on the street for the last 10 years the street has been filled with homes.

It's also way better now that my electric bill is $300 a month compared to the $50 a month when the utility was regulated. But hey they make a few bucks more in profit so it's all good. smirk

No, what we want and should demand is that AT&T live up to what they promise. Unlimited data plan with an iPhone means I should be able to download 24/7, and they can't bitch and whine about it. What these companies need are a few good class action suits. AT&T shouldn't be selling iPhones - or any smart phone for that matter - to people who live in areas where they don't have 3G coverage, or in many cases even decent 2G coverage.
Posted by: Jim_

Re: AT&T called out - 12/18/09 08:07 AM

Originally Posted By: MacBozo
My little LG phone has 3G and, if I wanted (and could afford) unlimited data, it would cost me 1/2 what they charge for their iPhone plan.
But it would also probably do half of what the iPhone is capable of data-wise. For example the Safari browser is quite feature rich, I'm also wondering how video would do on your LG whereas on the iPhone it works well. That's probably one reason they charge more, if you have an iPhone you're going to use more data because the device can suck more data down.

Also the reality of if you can afford an iPhone you'll probably pay the price for the data. It's that free market thing again. If you don't like the price, don't buy it. Cheap data plans are not a God given right. smile

Companies do have to make a profit to survive.
Posted by: Jim_

Re: AT&T called out - 12/18/09 08:19 AM

Any savvy shopper should know that cell phones have areas of weak or no coverage.

If you're trying to compare coverage for example in the UK, an area only about 50% bigger than Texas, and with a population density about 8 times the US it's apples to oranges. They have much smaller areas to cover so more profit due to the high density of users in the area that they have using their towers. In theory they have 8 times the users per tower that we do here so they have the money to put into the infrastructure.
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: AT&T called out - 12/18/09 08:22 AM

The Great 2009 AT&T Verizon Map War, which will go down in history as a major engagement in the annals of BS, is hilarious because when AT&T counters Verizon's assertion that AT&T has piss poor G3 coverage, it shows a map of wireless coverage--all of it, including non-G3 coverage.

Here are the Verizon maps.






And here's the AT&T map.




All that orange on the AT&T map is for GSM coverage. They don't have a national map for G3 coverage. But a little sleuthing gives you this map.




I have no idea whether or not Verizon's map is accurate as far as its own G3 coverage is concerned, but what it says about AT&T coverage is confirmed by AT&T's own site.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: AT&T called out - 12/18/09 08:31 AM

I can afford a refurbed iPhone, but I cannot afford the required $30/month data plan. Personally, I've never had a problem with AT&T's service or coverage, even in remote areas of Northern NY. Still, it seems a bit fishy for them to be blaming iPhone usage for their network shortcomings. What did they think would happen with the iPhone's huge success?
Posted by: carp

Re: AT&T called out - 12/18/09 10:57 AM

AT&T did sue Verizon over that map and Verizon then counter sued over something else - they agreed to drop their cases laugh

I read an article last week "should have posted it" . Where AT&T was spending more money this year then years before and plans to double that spending next year .

What they are saying "expanding and upgrading current G3 systems" - in (Highly Congested) areas , such as NY where AT&T took a beating from dropped call complaints .

NO mention of actually increasing coverage via building more cell towers <-- which to me is the real problem ?
Posted by: Mike

Re: AT&T called out - 12/19/09 04:29 AM

Even tho' I still use both -AT&T for land and Verizon for cell- in my neck 'o' woods Verizon has by far better coverage and charges less. Verizon's customer service has been tops whenever I needed it. AT&T took eight days to restore the land line when a storm disrupted service.
'Switching' just to get an iPhone is not an option and never has been for me, and I'm still puzzled as to why Apple went with AT&T.
However, if the rumors of a deal between Apple and Verizon come true, I may get an iPhone.
I'm also very interested in iPhone-alternatives, and those 'Droids' look very appealing...
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: AT&T called out - 12/19/09 08:59 AM

Originally Posted By: Reboot
Any savvy shopper should know that cell phones have areas of weak or no coverage.


Any halfway intelligent shopper can figure out AT&T doesn't have 3G or even 2G coverage that Verizon has, nor do they have the response time Verizon has because Verizon actually has folks traversing the country saying "Can you hear me now".

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If you're trying to compare coverage for example in the UK, an area only about 50% bigger than Texas, and with a population density about 8 times the US it's apples to oranges.


Of course it is. The people over there vote in favor of consumers instead of companies, so their cell and internet networks are subsidized far better than ours are. Hence, their networks crap all over ours. Perhaps if AT&T had to play by their rules, we wouldn't be hearing how their network has all but collapsed since the 3GS rolled out, and talk of data caps would never come up.

I've heard about how terrible our cellular networks are in the US by my cousin's wife who's from Spain. Can't say I fully disagree with her.
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: AT&T called out - 12/19/09 09:00 AM

Originally Posted By: SgtBaxter
Originally Posted By: Reboot
Any savvy shopper should know that cell phones have areas of weak or no coverage.


Any halfway intelligent shopper can figure out AT&T doesn't have 3G or even 2G coverage that Verizon has, nor do they have the response time Verizon has because Verizon actually has folks traversing the country saying "Can you hear me now". Unfortunately Verizon didn't play nice with Apple, which was a boneheaded move on Verizon's part, but iPhone users now have to suffer.

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If you're trying to compare coverage for example in the UK, an area only about 50% bigger than Texas, and with a population density about 8 times the US it's apples to oranges.


Of course it is. The people over there vote in favor of consumers instead of companies, so their cell and internet networks are subsidized far better than ours are. Hence, their networks crap all over ours. Perhaps if AT&T had to play by their rules, we wouldn't be hearing how their network has all but collapsed since the 3GS rolled out, and talk of data caps would never come up.


Bah stupid software :P
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: AT&T called out - 12/19/09 09:04 AM

Here's verizon's coverage map for voice and data:



Still a lot more coverage than AT&T, as the light pink are areas covered by analog phones.
Posted by: carp

Re: AT&T called out - 12/19/09 12:05 PM

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I'm still puzzled as to why Apple went with AT&T.


My understanding is that only AT&T had (visual voice mail) up and running the others did not nor did they showed any interest in it and still don't . I always thought that was a matter of software on the phone but it seems its on the providers end ?
Posted by: Mike

Re: AT&T called out - 12/20/09 04:56 AM

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I always thought that was a matter of software on the phone but it seems its on the providers end ?

Yup, and I believe Verizon added this (as an application) just last year.