GOP fail

Posted by: garyW

GOP fail - 07/13/13 12:16 PM

Rep. Mark Takano (D-Riverside, CA) , a former high school literature teacher has taken his red pen to a “Dear Mr. Speaker” letter that House GOP members are circulating in opposition to the Senate’s immigration reform bill


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laugh
Posted by: KateSorensen

Re: GOP fail - 07/13/13 12:45 PM

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I give the teacher an A+ smile


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Posted by: Celandine

Re: GOP fail - 07/13/13 02:00 PM


+1

as always,
your posts are a joy to read.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: GOP fail - 07/13/13 05:46 PM

Well, with the GOP's apparent edumacational level....
Posted by: DLC

Re: GOP fail - 07/13/13 08:29 PM

GOP: Edumication ! Edumication ! ... we doan need no stinkin Edumication ! wink
Posted by: lanovami

Re: GOP fail - 07/21/13 06:25 AM

Good stuff. Looks like the teacher is of Japanese descent by the name. Sorry I have to find a Japanese angle in everything..
Posted by: lanovami

Re: GOP fail - 07/21/13 06:34 AM

Among other interesting things he's the first non-white openly gay member of Congress.

Mark Takano
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: GOP fail - 07/21/13 01:42 PM

Originally Posted By: lanovami
Among other interesting things he's the first non-white openly gay member of Congress.

Mark Takano


And.....???
Posted by: lanovami

Re: GOP fail - 07/21/13 07:03 PM

He seemed like an interesting person, and I had never heard of him, sorry that's all I got. Sorry if you find me tedious.
Posted by: MrB

Re: GOP fail - 07/21/13 10:25 PM

Originally Posted By: NucleusG4
Originally Posted By: lanovami
Among other interesting things he's the first non-white openly gay member of Congress.

Mark Takano


And.....???


Well, I guess he is the first openly gay non white member of Congress. That's a first step. That's information that some of us didnt know. It's good to know things.

If it was your intent to be combative, we could ask that about any post.

Dave
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: GOP fail - 07/22/13 12:57 AM

Combative?
You extrapolate quite a bit from the word "and"...hmmm?

I'm just wondering why a persons sexuality always has to be noted.

If that's combative... then combat away. cool
Posted by: steveg

Re: GOP fail - 07/22/13 03:16 AM

Also...? grin
Posted by: lanovami

Re: GOP fail - 07/22/13 04:14 AM

A person's sexuality is a part of them. Many bios about him list this. Coming out with that publicly is a brave move even in these times. His Japanese ancestry was what interested me the most. And...?
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: GOP fail - 07/22/13 04:34 AM

Originally Posted By: lanovami
A person's sexuality is a part of them. Many bios about him list this. Coming out with that publicly is a brave move even in these times. His Japanese ancestry was what interested me the most. And...?


Yes.. it is a part of them. Clearly.
You never hear about someones sexuality if they are a hetero.
Can you imagine..? ..."He was the 128th straight Senator to be elected in the great state of Ohio".
Who effin cares?


BTW... using "and" was not meant as a barb or combative gesture.
If I'm talking to someone and they say something I find quizzical or preposterous... and I look at them with a raised eyebrow and say..."aannddd"? it usually means "and you're point is?"
Of course I have had to embellish here to make sure I'm clear on the description.
Seems to me when someone would post "and...?" after a comment that it would be clear.
Guess not.
Posted by: MrB

Re: GOP fail - 07/22/13 05:35 AM

I was the one to question, "and....?.

And it seemed to me that lanovami's post was point enough. It was informational was all.

Dave
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: GOP fail - 07/22/13 06:18 AM

Agreed.. it was pointed upwards... not at Lano specifically... but rather to both of you.
As you can see.. I also responded specifically to his comment.
Posted by: Leslie

Re: GOP fail - 07/22/13 09:59 AM

Quote:
Yes.. it is a part of them. Clearly.
You never hear about someones sexuality if they are a hetero.
Can you imagine..? ..."He was the 128th straight Senator to be elected in the great state of Ohio".
Who effin cares?


All the people who have been in the gay closet care. All the people who have relatives who have committed suicide care. All the people who have been subjected to verbal and physical attacks care.

But none of this is news. Anyone who has not been living in a cave or wilfully denies the importance of role models for the LGBT community, cares.

I could be wrong, but I believe you do not live in a cave.
Posted by: steveg

Re: GOP fail - 07/22/13 10:44 AM

Well, you both have very valid points. I get where Nuc is coming from — that it shouldn't make any damned difference at all. Unfortunately, it has made a profound difference historically, which underscores Leslie's point.

Generation by generation, it matters less. But until it matters not — completely — the issue will still be at the root of misery and tragedy for many.
Posted by: Leslie

Re: GOP fail - 07/22/13 11:55 AM

Of course he has a valid point, if it were possible. But you and I both know that is never going to happen. We live in an imperfect world. Discrimination is alive and doing very well.

I agree each generation is more educated and it does indeed, matter less. But there will never be a "completely". A society must always be reminded of their history in order to move forward. The blacks will never let us forget slavery, the Jews will never let us forget the holocaust, the LGBT will never let us forget the Stonewall riots; to name a few.
Posted by: steveg

Re: GOP fail - 07/22/13 12:13 PM

None of will be alive to see who's right. wink
Posted by: Leslie

Re: GOP fail - 07/22/13 12:34 PM

I'll make it easy for you.
I am. wink
Posted by: steveg

Re: GOP fail - 07/22/13 12:54 PM

I knew that...


grin
Posted by: Leslie

Re: GOP fail - 07/22/13 01:16 PM

Quote:
It’s preposterous that Caucasians are blamed for slavery when they’ve done more to end it than any other race, and within the bounds of the Constitution to boot.”


My good friend rush limpballs said this just today.
Posted by: lanovami

Re: GOP fail - 07/22/13 01:31 PM

Yeah, I know where you are coming from Nuc. To be honest, the first time I saw that post, I guessed you meant that I was going off topic from the original crux of the post. It only occurred to me afterwards that you might be asking why his sexuality has to be mentioned.

So yes, the "and...?" can be extrapolated.
Posted by: Leslie

Re: GOP fail - 07/22/13 01:44 PM

Quote:
Yeah, I know where you are coming from Nuc.

We all know where he is coming from, it is just nowhere near reality.
Posted by: Celandine

Re: GOP fail - 07/22/13 02:19 PM


Goodonya'!

All's well that ends well, and all that...

Nice when you're able to talk it out and get
a feel of where the other party is coming from.
then hammer out a compromise to the benefit
of all concerned parties.

Posted by: lanovami

Re: GOP fail - 07/22/13 02:58 PM

It's Saul Goodman.
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: GOP fail - 07/22/13 04:08 PM

Well.. nowhere near reality for you.. maybe.
I think Lanos post would have been just as relevant without knowing the persons sexual orientation.
If that's something you like to see.. fine.. I respect that. Can you respect that I don't have any issues with whatever a persons orientation is...but don't need the "label" every time I read about someones accomplishments. Your reality... is not my reality...tyvm.
So when you say it's nowhere near reality... uh.. yeah. It is. My reality. I could care less what his preferences in the bedroom are....
Posted by: steveg

Re: GOP fail - 07/22/13 04:21 PM

Quote:
I could care less what his preferences in the bedroom are....
I assume you mean that in an iconic way, as in sexual preferences. But the "reality" — since that's suddenly the hot word in this thread — is much broader than that. We hetero's tend to forget or fail to acknowledge the emotional content of homosexual relationships. What goes on "in the bedroom" is really a very small piece of the holistic reality. I can only guess that to be damned for one's physical attraction to another is half as painful as being damned for the emotional attraction.

This isn't so much about who's reality it is as much as it's about the depth and breadth of those realities. I'm just sayin'...
Posted by: Leslie

Re: GOP fail - 07/22/13 06:30 PM

Your so eloquent question was
Quote:
Who effin cares?

So I gave you a few examples of many people who care.

Quote:
I could care less what his preferences in the bedroom are....


The bedroom is the least of our problems because nobody is there but us. The moment we go outside, the safety of home is gone. The discrimination is palpable. That is what Steve means by the depth and breadth of our realities.
Posted by: Celandine

Re: GOP fail - 07/22/13 06:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Leslie
Your so eloquent question was
Quote:
Who effin cares?

So I gave you a few examples of many people who care.

Quote:
I could care less what his preferences in the bedroom are....


The bedroom is the least of our problems because nobody is there but us. The moment we go outside, the safety of home is gone. The discrimination is palpable. That is what Steve means by the depth and breadth of our realities.



Please reflect on everything you've said
but this time apply it to people of color.

To your point,
yes... the conversation so many people would
really rather not be having is long overdue.
Posted by: Leslie

Re: GOP fail - 07/22/13 06:40 PM

Of course, it applies to all oppressed groups but this particular thread was about Mark Takano.
Posted by: Celandine

Re: GOP fail - 07/22/13 08:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Leslie
Of course, it applies to all oppressed groups but this particular thread was about Mark Takano.


duh
and here i thought it had become
about the error of being dismissive

Posted by: Leslie

Re: GOP fail - 07/22/13 09:40 PM

I'm sure you just forgot the winkie.
Posted by: lanovami

Re: GOP fail - 07/22/13 09:43 PM

btw, not a reply directly to you Cel, I was just being lazy in my replying habits.

It does matter in many cases. I remember making a comment on some things that Rush said about Anderson Cooper and about Anderson's reply on his show to Rush.

It became clear to a few people in this forum that from the nature of my comments I did not know that Anderson Cooper was gay. That changed the conversation. I believe Rachel Maddow slipped into the conversation, another person that I did not know was gay - and that changed the conversation.

Now of course a person's sexual orientation doesn't always (or even often) change the conversation. And again, it is the step of bravery it takes to be openly gay and in the public eye that impresses me, not the gay part, the openly gay part.

"Among other interesting things" is what I said in my original comments about Mr. Takano. The other interesting stuff: he taught Brit Lit for 26 years, he ran for the House multiple times over a long span before finally getting elected. He also looks a heck of a lot like a teacher at my school named Mr. Takano, but I doubt they are related.
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: GOP fail - 07/23/13 03:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Celandine
Originally Posted By: Leslie
Your so eloquent question was
Quote:
Who effin cares?

So I gave you a few examples of many people who care.

Quote:
I could care less what his preferences in the bedroom are....


The bedroom is the least of our problems because nobody is there but us. The moment we go outside, the safety of home is gone. The discrimination is palpable. That is what Steve means by the depth and breadth of our realities.



Please reflect on everything you've said
but this time apply it to people of color.

To your point,
yes... the conversation so many people would
really rather not be having is long overdue.


The same applies here...
I don't care what color people are...
Label, label, label.....
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: GOP fail - 07/23/13 03:27 AM

Originally Posted By: Leslie
Your so eloquent question was
Quote:
Who effin cares?

So I gave you a few examples of many people who care.

Quote:
I could care less what his preferences in the bedroom are....


The bedroom is the least of our problems because nobody is there but us. The moment we go outside, the safety of home is gone. The discrimination is palpable. That is what Steve means by the depth and breadth of our realities.



Duh.
You're turning my post on it's head and making something of it that was not intended.
But.. you do that with most all of my posts.
Posted by: Celandine

Re: GOP fail - 07/23/13 07:16 AM

Quote:

The same applies here...
I don't care what color people are...
Label, label, label.....


Actually that was my point (too)

That it was mistaken
(miss-taken = taken the wrong way)

That IMO you were not dismissive of that
which you were being ACCUSED of dismissing.

yet Leslie, being so (TOO) closely involved
of the topic under discussion, she became
dismissive of the fact that her impassioned
defense of those being DISCRIMINATED AGAINST
that she Failed to See what was Right In Front
of Her (and everyone else's) Eyes, that can't
wrap-their-head-around what it's like to,
(as Pres. Obama said) "...to be followed
around a store... etc etc etc"


The difference being, there was no way to
HIDE the fact that they were Black...
...they were "stuck with it" ...like it or not

As I said...

The discussion is way way way over-due...

When even people involved in their OWN Form
of Prejudice are unable to recognize the EXTENT
of what it's like to
"Walk that mile in Each Other's shoes"

Only an outside observer could plainly see that
Neither You NOR Leslie were guilty of that
which you were being accused of by stating that
there 'SHOULD BE no REASON to Use LABELS'
but as Leslie was trying to point out..
"In Reality... it's still a Fact of Life Yet
To Be Dealt With!"

and as i said (again)
"...and the discussion is Way WAY Over Due"

(yes, Leslie.... "NO WINKIE" )
Posted by: Leslie

Re: GOP fail - 07/23/13 09:47 AM

Quote:
You're turning my post on it's head and making something of it that was not intended.

Don't see that.
You made a statement, asked a question, I answered.
Words matter, we have to be responsible for what we say and how we say it.
Posted by: Leslie

Re: GOP fail - 07/23/13 09:55 AM

Quote:
yet Leslie, being so (TOO) closely involved
of the topic under discussion, she became
dismissive of the fact that her impassioned
defense of those being DISCRIMINATED AGAINST
that she Failed to See what was Right In Front
of Her (and everyone else's) Eyes, that can't
wrap-their-head-around what it's like to,
(as Pres. Obama said) "...to be followed
around a store... etc etc etc"

The difference being, there was no way to
HIDE the fact that they were Black...
...they were "stuck with it" ...like it or not



I said it applied to all oppressed (same as discriminated against) groups.

Are you suggesting Black people would hide their blackness if they could?
Are you suggesting GLBT are lucky to be able to do so?
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: GOP fail - 07/23/13 10:09 AM

LOL.. w/e. You are also responsible for reading something without bias and spinning it to suit your agenda. You are constantly trying to make me out to be something I'm not. Keep trying... cuz I'm not that person.

Yes.. words matter.
Do you have any other pearls of wisdom?
Yeesh.
Posted by: Celandine

Re: GOP fail - 07/23/13 10:14 AM


yes they might choose hiding it
if the alternative is getting lynched.

Yes in less enlightened times,
they were fortunate to have a closet to hide in
...an alternative that (unless you could "pass")
being "coloured" did not afford.

"The Times They Are A Changin'"
but as you point out, Not Nearly Fast Enough.
Posted by: Leslie

Re: GOP fail - 07/23/13 10:19 AM

Don't see the spin. Please explain. I'm willing to discuss anything.
Posted by: Leslie

Re: GOP fail - 07/23/13 10:24 AM

Quote:
yes they might choose hiding it
if the alternative is getting lynched.

Lynching comes in may forms (my examples to nuc).
The question being, why should anyone have to hide who they are? So as not to disrupt your neighbours day!
Which comes back to M.T. Everybody needs role models and unless we are who we are, how will anyone know?
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: GOP fail - 07/23/13 11:26 AM

I'm out. Topic has gone on too long for my interest....
Posted by: Celandine

Re: GOP fail - 07/23/13 12:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Leslie
Quote:
yes they might choose hiding it
if the alternative is getting lynched.

Lynching comes in may forms (my examples to nuc).
The question being, why should anyone have to hide who they are? So as not to disrupt your neighbours day!
Which comes back to M.T. Everybody needs role models and unless we are who we are, how will anyone know?


Ah... so...

That moment of coming together.
An opening of minds where we feel
comfortable enough to view each other
around the edges of our shields and begin
to know each other and create a bond of trust

yes

it has to start somewhere
we all have our vulnerabilities,
past wounds we still have to defend,
but becoming threateningly confrontational
sets up a cascade of negativity that becomes
pervasive. One can fairly feel the spears bristling.

**the kumbaya gif was sincere
and in no way meant disparagingly