Don't let the door hit you...

Posted by: steveg

Don't let the door hit you... - 05/29/13 03:06 AM

On your way out. YEEHAW! One down and, sadly, too many to go.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/29/13 04:35 PM

Unfortunately, there are crazier ones just waiting to run. crazy
Posted by: Acumowchek

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/29/13 06:30 PM

Not that I'm happy with Obamas administration, but I will never understand the support for crazy.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/29/13 06:40 PM

Considering that Obama has been hogtied by a Congress that simply refuses to do anything constructive, solely based on political posturing, rather than doing what would be good for the country.....
Posted by: Acumowchek

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/29/13 07:21 PM

I know, I know.
But he is the highest power in our land.
I would have hoped ( wink ) something better would have come from it.
EVERY person I know is scared of "Obamacare", and it hasn't even started yet.
Myself included.
Posted by: DLC

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/29/13 07:48 PM

Yeah but think of the laughs and knee slappers we'll miss !! whistle
Posted by: Leslie

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/29/13 10:57 PM

Quote:
EVERY person I know is scared of "Obamacare", and it hasn't even started yet.
Myself included.

Interesting. Please enlighten me. What is scary?
Posted by: steveg

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/30/13 02:58 AM

Then EVERY person you know is misinformed. Sorry, but that's the fact, Jack. Do a little Googling on the results of RomneyCare in MA, and imagine the same progress on a national level. JUst don't bother to ask Mitt. smirk
Posted by: musicalmarv7

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/30/13 03:33 AM

That is why they are a bunch of nuts. With their wacky and idiotic ways especially Louis G. the craziest you can listen to who makes zero sense.
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/30/13 04:06 AM

cough cough...!

http://forums.applecentral.com/ubbthread...ing_from#UNREAD
Posted by: lanovami

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/30/13 04:22 AM

Actually I really wouldn't mind the door giving her a good wallop on her behind. That would be nice to see.
Posted by: steveg

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/30/13 04:55 AM

"cough couch" what? confused
Posted by: lanovami

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/30/13 05:28 AM

He beat you to the post I think is what he's trying to say. "Don't let the door hit you" is a much more fun thread to reply to though. smile
Posted by: DLC

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/30/13 06:15 AM

The GOP and the big Insurance companies are engaging in scare tactics... everything that happens in medicine that's bad - It's Obamacare !! They ignore and won't mention the good stuff. It's all just negative, negative, negative, negative....

and as many appointed out Obamacare is not in full swing. If you talk to many Seniors about Medicare – it's like a life Boat on the Titanic. however, mention Obama care and the bogeymen come out of the woodwork!! it's just all hyped nonsense ! People need to wake up, the insurance companies just want go on gouging people and letting prices go through the roof, uncontrolled. People like Michele Bachmann ( read : in the hip pocket of the insurance companies) are the worst and that's why many credible, fact checking organizations gave her many "pants on fire" ratings.
Posted by: steveg

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/30/13 07:55 AM

Nope. Look at the time stamps on both initial posts. I may be older, but I'm way faster! grin
Posted by: Acumowchek

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/30/13 08:43 AM

Just like Steve said.
They are uninformed. They don't even WANT to know what it means, it's just easier to say it sucks, it's socialist, and it will cost more money.
And oh yeah, OBAMA.
Even the people I know that supported him, no longer trust him.

As far as myself? I'm scared because my boss might cut off our medical benefits, which I've always received in loo(?) of a raise. So if I have to pay out of pocket, it's going to hurt me big time.
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/30/13 08:48 AM

Yep... your sure are..
I looked but didn't see any unread posts so I thought I was posting this first. Stupid forum markers!


smile
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/30/13 09:25 AM

"lieu" =)

Also, if your employer drops your healthcare (and, honestly, why should health insurance be linked to employment anyways?), that's what the exchanges are supposed to be for: to provide affordable insurance to individuals who can't get it through work =)

Plus, if your employer drops your coverage, he now owes you that raise, no? ;-D
Posted by: Acumowchek

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/30/13 09:41 AM

#1. Lieu. Thanks for that. grin

#2. I'm just as uninformed as the people I complain about. I have a "Wait and see how it affects me" attitude, I'm afraid.

#3. Raise? But then how could the boss be able to afford his gold plated ivory back scratcher? /Mr. Burns
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/30/13 09:56 AM

Originally Posted By: Leslie
Quote:
EVERY person I know is scared of "Obamacare", and it hasn't even started yet.
Myself included.

Interesting. Please enlighten me. What is scary?
Supposedly it was going to lower rates, mine went up last June by 15%. This June is the next time they can raise it for me, we'll see what happens then.

Confidence isn't high.
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/30/13 10:18 AM

Originally Posted By: Jim_
Originally Posted By: Leslie
Quote:
EVERY person I know is scared of "Obamacare", and it hasn't even started yet.
Myself included.

Interesting. Please enlighten me. What is scary?
Supposedly it was going to lower rates, mine went up last June by 15%. This June is the next time they can raise it for me, we'll see what happens then.

Confidence isn't high.


I was interested in that response and decided to Google it [obamacare to lower rates] to see what's up.

I got this:

In a striking illustration of the promise that the health law holds for consumers, two Oregon private insurers vying to sell coverage on the state’s Obamacare insurance marketplace this October are reevaluating their opening bids for the plans’ monthly premiums. The reason? A side-by-side regional comparison of all proposed 2014 premiums for Oregon marketplace plans became public on Oregon’s marketplace website Thursday, and showed that the two insurers’ planned monthly premiums were far higher than other proposals. That raised fears among the companies’ officials that their plans wouldn’t be competitive on the market later this year, leading them to proactively request a rate reduction — and as more of Obamacare is implemented, state insurance commissioners expect that trend to continue:
“Posting rate comparisons company-by-company is a taste of what is to come,” says Cheryl Martinis of the Oregon Insurance Division.
Judging by the reaction, there’s already an impact.


http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/05/...iums/?mobile=nc

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“National health spending grew by 3.9 percent each year from 2009 to 2011, the lowest rate of growth since the federal government began keeping such statistics in 1960,” reports the Kaiser Family Foundation. Early data suggest that the numbers held into 2012. So the curve hasn’t just bent; it has bent more than ever.
In a new paper, Harvard University scholars David Cutler and Nikhil Sahni calculate that if those numbers hold over the next decade, the government will save up to $770 billion, employers will save up to $430 annually on each covered worker and households will spend up to $290 less on annual health costs. “Slow health care spending growth might thus bring much-needed relief throughout the economy,” they write.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-29/one-way-obamacare-may-already-be-working.html

And this:

http://www.policymic.com/articles/44597/...servative-myths

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Posted by: six_of_one

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/30/13 01:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Jim_
Originally Posted By: Leslie
Quote:
EVERY person I know is scared of "Obamacare", and it hasn't even started yet.
Myself included.

Interesting. Please enlighten me. What is scary?
Supposedly it was going to lower rates, mine went up last June by 15%. This June is the next time they can raise it for me, we'll see what happens then.

Confidence isn't high.

Given much of the ACA doesn't even kick-in until next year, that's more the fault of the insurance companies trying to soak the public as much as they can before it does. ("Customers shouldn't be scared of their insurance companies; the insurance companies should be scared of their customers" ;-) ...

Anyways, my confidence about this whole thing is: wait and see. Doubtless the system won't work exactly as intended or anticipated -- things rarely do, especially ones this wide-ranging. OTOH, that the insurance companies are currently jacking up premiums while they can is more just more evidence that something needed to be done. We'll have to see if the ACA helps or not. If not, we'll try something else =)
Posted by: Celandine

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/30/13 01:05 PM

Originally Posted By: MacBozo
Unfortunately, there are crazier ones just waiting to run. crazy


RM
Bachmann influences not to be overlooked amid mockery
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Posted by: Celandine

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/30/13 01:13 PM

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1 for Gary laugh

RM
Chart imitates Life
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Posted by: Acumowchek

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/30/13 01:24 PM

Quote:
insurance companies trying to soak the public as much as they can


I think that's exactly what's going on.
Forget me.
I've been watching my parents insurance skyrocket in the last 3 years.
Yes,they planned their retirement, but they didn't factor in the greed…
How can the elderly possibly afford to take care of themselves?
Posted by: Celandine

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/30/13 01:36 PM


Originally Posted By: six_of_one
"Customers shouldn't be scared of their insurance companies; the insurance companies should be scared of their customers" ...


indeed
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/30/13 05:02 PM

I get insurance through my job, and every year for the last twenty, we've gotten worse and worse and worse medical coverage. Why? Because every year for the last twenty years the insurance companies have raised their rates, sometimes by as much as 20%, and the school has had to cut back its offerings and reduce the benefits. Yearly. We used to have choices among three different companies. We're down to a single company. It's a lousy, but seriously lousy program. But it's the best that the school can get for the money it's willing to spend. None of that has anything at all to do with Obamacare. It has a lot to do with the damned insurance companies, which have nothing but their profits in mind when they raise rates and reduce benefits.

I have insurance. All kinds of insurance--health, car, home, life--all of it sucks a wet one.
Posted by: DLC

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/30/13 07:11 PM

Originally Posted By: yoyo52
I have insurance. All kinds of insurance--health, car, home, life--all of it sucks a wet one.

AMEN to that !! They're big F-ing leeches cause they know they have you naked over a barrel... and you get the picture !! whistle
Posted by: Celandine

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/30/13 10:25 PM


After Ted's second heart attack, his boss insisted
that he return to work immediately, even though he
was on disability leave, when he gave in thinking
'that they NEEDED him', he dropped the disability
claim, and returned to work... two days later they
laid him off, leaving us in dire straits.

Now he's unemployed AND with a pre-existing
condition, after having lost the medical coverage
both from his ex-employer, AND from having lost
his disability claim, waiting for the next stress
related heart attack to take him out.

Turns out that the turd he'd felt sorry for (thus
returned to work early) had only called him back
then laid him off in order to cease the disability
insurance, because he's now done the same thing
to all the other older workers... trying to cut
his cost of paying rising health care expenses
for older workers that could potentially fall in
the traces (work-horse dropping dead in the field)

HEARTLESS SOB. All the guys were within a few years
of retirement. What do they have to look forward
to?
Without warning they went from looking forward to
full retirement with benefits to trying to meet
their mortgage payments by cleaning tables at
McDonald's? frown

As Paulette was so fond of saying:
"What ken I say, Jac.? LIFE SUX ...Then You Die."

"Don't let the door hit you..." smirk

Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/31/13 04:39 AM

Michelle Bachman retires...

Ahhhh.... The End of an Error. smile
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/31/13 08:29 AM

Originally Posted By: NucleusG4
Michelle Bachman retires...

Ahhhh.... The End of an Error. smile


laugh
Posted by: Leslie

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 05/31/13 10:27 PM

How could that not be funny?!
Posted by: lanovami

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 06/01/13 04:38 AM

A good epitaph for the Bush administration too.
Posted by: garyW

Re: Don't let the door hit you... - 06/01/13 10:07 AM