Posted by: yoyo52

Nixon - 03/19/13 01:14 AM

Just watching RMS, and she tells me that during the 68 campaign, Nixon actually intervened in the peace arrangements that LBJ had hammered out with NVN and SVN, had conspired to get SVN to renege, and so had guaranteed another 5 more years of bloody war in Vietnam. LBJ dared call it treason, but then did nothing to bring the treason to light in public.

Posted by: Reboot

Re: Nixon - 03/19/13 01:47 AM

I'm sure there's a lot we don't want to know about our political machine.

You can save me the Googling. I did look but found nothing. Was Nixon in office in '68? If not how was he able to intervene/influence the arrangements? If it is true LBJ is as much to blame, why didn't he bring it to light? Protecting the reputation of the US of A? The good old boy mindset? Both partyies at fault.

Flash forward a half century, if it is true it's f'd up, 5 more years of war, but what good does our now knowing matter? Except for ratings and hits for RM? We know that there's a game in DC we will never be able to control, even though we are the tax paying pawns.
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Nixon - 03/19/13 02:09 AM

The intervention took place a couple of weeks before the '68 election--LBJ had already said he would not run, the Reps. had already chosen Nixon and the Dems. had chosen Humphrey. Nixon won the election 43.4% to 42.7% (Wallace got 13.5%).

Nixon intervened by getting Madame Chennault, a very influential Chinese national, widow of a US WW II air ace, to convince the SVN delegation that they could get a better deal under Nixon than they would from the negotiations that LBJ was overseeing.

Article here. There's speculation in the article about why LBJ didn't make the "treason" public.
Posted by: garyW

Re: Nixon - 03/19/13 06:05 AM

Originally Posted By: Jim_
Was Nixon in office in '68? If not how was he able to intervene/influence the arrangements?

Was Romney in office in 2012?

Sure seemed to me his meetings with Netanyahu in late September in Israel was a coordinated effort with the Prime Minister to sway our election with an orchestrated "Obama is anti-Israel" smear and hightened stance to take the offensive against Iran. If Romney had won I bet we'd be going into another war instead we're likely see Netanyahu schmoozing with Obama over the next few days working towards an active peace initiative and increased diplomacy with Iran, as well as a unified Israeli-US show of might rather than a unilateral position.

Nixon had influence because, like Romney, he was viewed as the next US President.
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: Nixon - 03/19/13 06:42 PM

Good point.
Posted by: Leslie

Re: Nixon - 03/19/13 10:25 PM

Romney had influence? laugh
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: Nixon - 03/19/13 11:15 PM

No no no... Romney has influenza....
Posted by: garyW

Re: Nixon - 03/20/13 12:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Leslie
Romney had influence? laugh

It's scary to accept the reality that during the election he did. shocked

He was the puppet for the DC rightwing neocon establishment and corporate moguls, exactly like George Bush was for Cheney. And unforfortunately, George Bush had influence on beginning wars and destroying global economies.

Posted by: DLC

Re: Nixon - 03/20/13 01:45 AM

MY understanding - though equally regrettable- is LBJ didn't take him to task because they had Illegally tapped the N Vietnamese Ambassadors phone. IF he'd blown the whistle - he'd blown it on himself too. blush

But I wish he'd tried and just said "Can't tell you how we found out - National Security" like W and Cheney pulled a Jillion times !!

I didn't like either of them - BOTH were as crooked as a cork screw !! wink
BUT with this new light, Tricky Dickie might take W's places as the WORST US President !!
Maybe they could co-Chair the Prize !! laugh Both GOP !!
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Nixon - 03/20/13 02:00 AM

Let's not forget the illustrious list of other Rep dazzlers, among them Calvin Coolidge and Heebert Hoober. And for scandals, howsabout Harding? Taft was ok, as was McKinley (more or less).
Posted by: DLC

Re: Nixon - 03/20/13 02:13 AM

Course Lincoln and T. Roosevelt were good, but that was a different GOP then !! eek
before they got "compassionate " !!! laugh

I think a good slur to some one now is..."Ya mudder was a Republican !!"

Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Nixon - 03/20/13 02:20 AM

Dem's fightin' words!
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: Nixon - 03/20/13 10:22 PM

Posted by: katlpablo

Re: Nixon - 03/21/13 11:23 AM

Originally Posted By: garyW
Nixon had influence because, like Romney, he was viewed as the next US President.
Seems probable he could have had plenty of influence at the time:
He was [had been] the running mate of Dwight D. Eisenhower, the Republican Party presidential nominee in the 1952 election. Nixon served for eight years as vice president. He waged an unsuccessful presidential campaign in 1960, narrowly losing to John F. Kennedy, and lost a race for Governor of California in 1962. In 1968, he ran again for the presidency and was elected.
Posted by: carp

Re: Nixon - 03/22/13 02:47 AM

Sounds like all Milk to me laugh