Boner's Big Lie

Posted by: DLC

Boner's Big Lie - 02/20/13 06:20 PM

backed up by many GOP talking lackeys...

"it's Obama's sequester !" NOT !!

But a powerpoint slide show from 2 years ago shows Boner was FOR the sequester before he was against it !
He can run but he can't hide.... Ed nailed him tonight !! (even though Boner is a slimy leech)
Posted by: musicalmarv7

Re: Boner's Big Lie - 02/21/13 02:51 AM

You forgot to add Graham and Mich M to that list of slimy eels.
Posted by: steveg

Re: Boner's Big Lie - 02/21/13 03:29 AM

It hasn't happened yet and we don't know for sure if it will but I'm already feeling the hit. In early January I met with four new prospective clients across several consumer and B2B industries. Three agreed to sign on with me, but two have temporarily tabled their marketing plans 'til they see what's going to happen to the economy in March. And I know that one or both may go south on me if the worst happens.

Here in Dayton, with Wright Pat AFB next door, there's much nervousness a/b what the impact of the defense cuts will be and that ripple is spreading out to a long list of local tech and mfg. companies that are either defense contractors or who's customers are.

As much as we hope it happens, a Conservative "Atlantis" in 2014 is no concession for those who will get thoroughly hosed in the coming months. Revenge next year will not mitigate the damage we'll see this year.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Boner's Big Lie - 02/21/13 05:23 AM

Hey, Bonehead! You're the Speaker of the House, a leadership position! Constantly deferring to the Senate and the Executive Branch before "considering" House action is not leadership! mad
Posted by: DLC

Re: Boner's Big Lie - 02/21/13 05:36 AM

I hope it doesn't impact you Steve, but likely it'll hit us all in one form or another.

Thats why Krugman says now is NOT the time to cut !! eek
I sincerely believe the GOP just wants things F-ed up so they can plead with the public "it's not working - give control back to us!" which is like giving a drunk driver the car to drive you home ! We'll end up in another bar ditch wrecked worse than the 1st time !! mad

The good news is I believe the voters/ public have caught on and the ploy won't work. IF we go to sequester (I'm betting 80-90% we will), the GOP gets the bulk of the blame for the exact reasons MacB said - no leadership on the GOP side- just a bunch of baby whining. In fact, we've had more crises created by or under GOP "leadership" (?) than any Dem ever dreamed of.


Posted by: Jim_

Re: Boner's Big Lie - 02/21/13 09:30 AM

I don't know what the answer is of course, but let's not forget that the economy was headed in this direction anyway. Granted the GOP was spending like drunken sailors, but if not for all the taxes collected from the Internet bubble when Clinton was in office, this would've happened sooner.
Posted by: steveg

Re: Boner's Big Lie - 02/21/13 10:08 AM

In "sooner" days, we weren't plagued by a Congress this dysfunctional or a Repugnican party this obstructionist. The size of the Federal gov't and the deficit have all been reduced during Obama's first term. Yet the right still screams Cut Spending! and won't even vote on closing a few tax loopholes for the top 1%. Does that makes sense?
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Boner's Big Lie - 02/21/13 10:12 AM

I don't agree, Jim. Yes, the bubble under Clinton inflated receipts and gave us predictions, if you remember, of endless budget surpluses for the foreseeable future. But then we had the wars and the tax cuts. The budget deficit in 2008 was .458 trillion. That's around the level where "deficits don't matter." Then the financial disaster struck and the economy went in the toilet and in 2009 the deficit was 1.4 trillion. Is it a surprise that so severe a recession led to such a large deficit? Without the recession, and without the two wars and without the deficit-increasing tax cuts, would we have had a deficit? Probably. Would it have been in the "deficits don't matter" range? Well, only if a Rep. had been in office, but you know what I mean.

The problem is the recession, and not just because recessions mean fewer bucks coming in in taxes, but also because recessions provoke bigger expenditures by governments. I know that not everyone is a Keynesian, so maybe those expenditures wouldn't happen under a Rep. administration. But then we'd be in a depression, not a recession. (That's my Keynesian self speaking smile ).

[tinhaton]The recession was a deliberate thing, concocted by a party that wants to make the government disappear as much as possible.[/tinhaton]
Posted by: steveg

Re: Boner's Big Lie - 02/21/13 10:45 AM

You're missing the point by a mile. It's entirely Obama's fault starting when he was in 4th grade in Hawaii.
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Boner's Big Lie - 02/21/13 10:57 AM

Posted by: steveg

Re: Boner's Big Lie - 02/21/13 11:10 AM

Eye eye eye... grin
Posted by: DLC

Re: Boner's Big Lie - 02/21/13 02:32 PM

Yes Steve, I agree,.... the eyes have it ! wink
Posted by: DLC

Re: Boner's Big Lie - 02/21/13 02:43 PM

Jim, the big "what if" would be... IF Al Gore had not been denied the Presidency in 2000 (historical data shows if they'd counted FL- he'd won even with Kathylen Harris' shenanigans )- we'd NOT had (1) massive tax cuts- he'd likely continued Clinton's policies, (2) 2 wars especially Iraq, (3) spending like drunk sailors, and (4) possibly even 9-11. -Clarke was onto OBL- I don't think AGore would have ignored the data like Condi Rice and Bush did. IT might not have been enough to avert 9-11 but there's at least a possibility it might not have happened.

(I still believe Bush let it happen in a passive way looking for excuses to pick a war with Iraq. Did he specifically know AQs plan? - NO, but he knew something was brewing and thought he could use an attack to his advantage. Turned out to be worse than he'd dreamed!)

So the bottom line is we would (with good certainty) NOT be $16 trillion in debt IF the voters would have had their say in 2000. SO now to hear the GOP thugs whine about deficits is just beyond juvenile and hypocrits !! mad And then to have them obstruct any repair of the damage is treasonous in my eyes. mad mad
Posted by: carp

Re: Boner's Big Lie - 02/21/13 06:51 PM

Originally Posted By: steveg
You're missing the point by a mile. It's entirely Obama's fault starting when he was in 4th grade in Hawaii.


Non sense it was when he was born in Kenya dang it laugh
Posted by: musicalmarv7

Re: Boner's Big Lie - 02/22/13 02:54 AM

Paul Ryan was for a sequester and other republicans also. They are using Obama for a scapegoat now.These Republicans are so desperate now they will resort to anything to win some popularity.
Posted by: musicalmarv7

Re: Boner's Big Lie - 02/23/13 02:03 AM

No response Dave?
Posted by: musicalmarv7

Re: Boner's Big Lie - 02/23/13 02:05 AM

Obama is far from perfect. A lot of his promises are really falling apart.
Posted by: DLC

Re: Boner's Big Lie - 02/23/13 08:12 AM

They all are as you say... but I don't think its working or will work in the end.

1. They (media) have this incriminating evidence from 2011 called video tape !! wink

2. Boehner was the one who called a recess for the House - not Obama... and only a few weeks into the new session !! I think he'll get skewered for that... not even in session when the sequester is pending. How can you talk and negotiate when you're out of town !!??

In the final shakedown, the GOP will look like they are... obstructionists !! (& whiny babies) I hope voters don't forget their "childish games" in 2014.

I even heard a conservative commentator admit they've cut $2.4 trillion in spending over the past 2 years, but need more cuts... they weren't even admitting that a few weeks ago !! They realize they are LOSING ground...
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: Boner's Big Lie - 02/23/13 09:33 AM

Originally Posted By: musicalmarv7
Obama is far from perfect. A lot of his promises are really falling apart.

I'll grant you that, but seriously... don't you think if he had the tiniest bit of cooperation that his accomplishments would be so much more? He is trying to make some major changes, much needed changes. It's not a small course correction but rather significantly larger one. Hard to do when there's dissension amongst the crew and squabbling in the engine room.
Posted by: DLC

Re: Boner's Big Lie - 02/23/13 06:21 PM

Quote:
Hard to do when there's dissension amongst the crew and squabbling in the engine room.

Yeah like the GOP is throwing water on the boiler fire !! mad
....hoping it'll explode.