Wayne's World

Posted by: steveg

Wayne's World - 12/23/12 06:41 AM

So Lapierre was just on Meet the Press, and IMHO, did the NRA yet more harm and further advanced the need for gun control reform. No matter what Gregory asked him, he just kept repeating the same myopic and unrealistic talking points from his oral bowel movement last Friday.

But it's great to know that Sen. Lindsey Graham keeps an AR15 in his house.

Had to turn it off at that point. You can only absorb so much stupid before your head melts. mad
Posted by: steveg

Re: Wayne's World - 12/23/12 07:18 AM

And in today's Dayton Daily News, a lengthy article regarding the issues of gun violence begins with the banner headline, "SHADY HOOK: NO SIMPLE SOLUTIONS."

SHADY HOOK? Really?? crazy
Posted by: steveg

Re: Wayne's World - 12/24/12 11:29 AM

So now I suppose LaPierre will call for the arming of firefighters?

On MTP he referred to guns as "just a tool". No, Wayne. You are the tool. And not the sharpest one in the shed, either. mad
Posted by: musicalmarv7

Re: Wayne's World - 12/25/12 02:37 AM

Most Republicans are gun crazy anyway.Nothing new.
Posted by: Mike

Re: Wayne's World - 12/25/12 08:42 AM

Originally Posted By: steveg
So now I suppose LaPierre will call for the arming of firefighters?

On MTP he referred to guns as "just a tool". No, Wayne. You are the tool. And not the sharpest one in the shed, either. mad


[censored] didn't! mad
Posted by: MrB

Re: Wayne's World - 12/29/12 09:43 PM

If it is not a tool then what is it?

Dave
Posted by: steveg

Re: Wayne's World - 12/30/12 03:51 AM

Ok, a tool, loosely defined, would be an object or instrument used to assist or facilitate a task. The earliest tools were, quite literally, sticks and stones. As technology has evolved, so have tools.

Compare a rock to a shiny new mass-produced hammer. You can build a better house faster now.

Compare a sharpened stick to 30 shiny new mass-produced bullets in a shiny new mass-produced high capacity magazine in a shiny new mass-produced handgun. You can kill more people faster now.

Is an instrument of death your idea of a tool? Do you really want to define a weapon as a tool? Good luck with that. smirk
Posted by: MrB

Re: Wayne's World - 12/30/12 04:06 AM

Still a tool. If one doesn't have a better tool, he will use another tool.

A tool needs someone to yield it.

Eliminate the man's need for the tool, the tool just sets there.

Dave
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: Wayne's World - 12/30/12 04:38 AM

Quote:
On MTP he referred to guns as "just a tool".

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If it is not a tool then what is it?


Sigh. The key word there is "just" -- as if a gun is no more menacing or lethal than, say, a tape measure or a carpenter's level; downplaying the fact that as a tool for killing things a gun is in a decidedly different category than most other tools people use ...
Posted by: steveg

Re: Wayne's World - 12/30/12 04:49 AM

IMHO, that's an unsuccessful attempt to rephrase "Guns don't kill people. People kill people."

You could argue that that's technically true in the sense that one can kill another with just a/b anything they can get their hands on. Or that one can kill with one's bare hands alone. But in the practical and humane sense, guns are deadlier and more proficient than anything or any other handheld weapon one might use. A single shot .22 can kill with more efficiency than a knife, an arrow or bolt, or the afore mentioned stick or stone.

So excepting military or law enforcement, why would anyone need the hyperbolically enhanced efficiency of assault weapons and/or high capacity mags? They don't unless inflicting death or injury on as many as possible or desired is the goal.

Think a/b it, Dave. In that context, it's obscene to classify a gun as a tool. Tools are perceived as positive, constructive, efficient, etc. Adding value as it were. Is a gun a tool for the hunter or sportsman? Maybe. But we're not talking a/b hunters and sportsmen. We're talkin a/b murderers sane or insane. And in that sense, a gun adds zero value.

Oh, and don't get me started on self-defense. Without hundreds of hours of training, without finely-honed skill and laser-accurate judgement, the risk of wrongful or accidental death is yet greater. I hold my own narrowly avoided experience up as chilling proof.
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: Wayne's World - 12/30/12 04:51 AM

Originally Posted By: MrB
Still a tool. If one doesn't have a better tool, he will use another tool.

And the whole point of gun control is to remove the better tool (for killing things), forcing someone to use a much less efficient tool (for killing things), making it more difficult for them (to kill things) ...

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Eliminate the man's need for the tool, the tool just sets there.

Eliminate the tool (for killing things), the man just sits there trying to do something with his bare hands. Or a stick. Or a knife. Or an arrow. Any of which is preferable to the more efficient tool (for killing things).
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: Wayne's World - 12/30/12 05:31 AM

Radioactive materials are just a tool also... let's have some of that in every home.... no classes on how to handle it required. Just money and your drivers license.
Posted by: steveg

Re: Wayne's World - 12/30/12 07:28 AM

I'm so sick of this idiotic argument over people, not guns, killing people. Let's take just accidental gun deaths for example. No gun, no accident is a no-brainer of course. But comparing the gun to any other "tool" if you point a knife at someone, can it go off accidentally? Can your arm accidentally or involuntarily thrust the blade into someones chest?

Take a look at this chart. If guns were not available, and the perps of these murders had to use some other "tool" or their bare hands, imagine how different this stat would be!
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: Wayne's World - 12/30/12 10:33 AM

That's outrageous!
If we don't watch out Chile will soon catch up to us.
Quick... release the flame throwers and napalm reserves!!!