irony of the Affordable Care Act

Posted by: garyW

irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/26/12 01:34 PM

The irony of the individual mandate

"There are many ironies in the furor around the individual mandate. The fact that it was originally a Republican idea tends to get the most attention. But here’s another: There is no better deal in the legislation — and there has perhaps never been a better deal in the individual health-care market — than to go without insurance and pay the mandate’s penalty."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/06/26/the-irony-of-the-individual-mandate/



Poll: Republicans hate ‘Obamacare,’ but like most of what it does


"… The Affordable Care Act’s provisions are popular, even as the bill itself remained unpopular. That poll was from Reuters/Ipsos, and Greg Sargent smartly asked them for the crosstabs. Digging in, he found that the ironies go even deeper than that. It’s not just that most of the Affordable Care Act’s provisions are popular. It’s that they’re popular with Republicans…"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra...f-what-it-does/



sick
Posted by: steveg

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/26/12 02:10 PM

Quote:
It’s that they’re popular with Republicans
And why wouldn't it be? Can you think of sicker bunch more in need of a cure?
Posted by: DLC

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/26/12 03:35 PM

What's the problem Gary ?

The GOP sponsored the programs, . . before they were against them ! wink

I think they're ALL "Etch-A-Sketch" !! (not just Mitt)

Steve: Yeah but their condition is terminal !! laugh

Posted by: garyW

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/26/12 03:54 PM

The first article I found amazing. With the ACA as law with the mandate in place, any citizen can buy complete medical coverage for $700 (or 2.5 percent of your annual income), when they need it or not, pre-existing condition or not.

If you CHOOSE to have no insurance policy at all, you get diagnosed with something major like cancer, you pay the $700 penalty and you have complete medical & rehabilitation coverage to save your life. You didn't lose your life savings, your house, you didn't bury your family's financial future in debt either. Just $700.

This is Obama taking away your freedom??
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/26/12 04:38 PM

Can I reword this for my FB page? It pisses my Dad off when I do that.... blush
Posted by: garyW

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/26/12 05:03 PM

Also, the mandate is what finances the whole deal, not added debt. If everyone pays the mandate the insurance pool gets cheaper and bigger and coverage is expanded to everyone. Fail to pay the mandate and it's a tax penalty (not a death panel grin)




Posted by: DLC

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/27/12 09:27 AM

Originally Posted By: garyW
You didn't lose your life savings, your house, you didn't bury your family's financial future in debt either. Just $700.

This is Obama taking away your freedom??

Yes, . . . it's taking away your freedom to stand before a Death Panel ! .. the sorry, socialist jerk !! wink
Posted by: DLC

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/27/12 09:53 AM

OK here's a suggestion..

suppose the SCOTUS throws out the mandate for the ACA.

How about they say, "OK health insurance is NOT mandatory, BUT if you don't have health insurance you do NOT qualify for Medicare or Medicaid payments! You're on your own -forever." That means Drs, Hospitals & charaties would have to pick up the tab. The $700 fine seems so paultry. Yes people might be out of coverage, but how many will be out of coverage if this is overturned and isn't fixed ?? ... ah millions ! crazy

I bet the ones that don't have coverage are thinking, well if I have a really bad health issue, I can get Medicaid. But how about, No insurance- no qualify - ever !

Yeah I know it'll never happen !
Posted by: garyW

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/27/12 12:22 PM

The Mandate is $698.

According to Lawrence O'Donnell last night, the Penalty for not paying the mandate is under $100. There is no other penalty, no threat of arrest or jail time for tax evasion, no liens, etc. All of those are rightwing talking points on the same level as death panels.
Posted by: DLC

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/27/12 02:49 PM

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All of those are rightwing talking points on the same level as death panels.

Yeah . . or like BO exporting guns to Mexico & letting them become "Dodge City" so he can sell gun control here !!

laugh
Posted by: garyW

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/28/12 07:26 AM


Yes, ironic that even douchebag Roberts supported it.
Yea!


grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
Posted by: DLC

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/28/12 07:28 AM

Well I'm stunned it was his swing vote and not Kennedy's !! shocked
Posted by: garyW

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/28/12 07:32 AM

CNN, Fox and Drudge initially reported exactly the opposite laugh





Posted by: DLC

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/28/12 07:46 AM

EAT __IT, MITT !! grin
Posted by: steveg

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/28/12 07:52 AM

YES!!!

Last night, the Harvard Law prof who taught both Obama and Roberts was a guest on Hardball. He predicted a 6-3 pro-healthcare act vote, saying that Roberts knew he would have to favor the law or risk casting the SCOTUS in a harshly partisan light. When he said that, I felt optimistic for the first time.
Posted by: KateSorensen

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/28/12 07:59 AM

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Ditto me, Steve, when I heard him say that. I slept a lot better.

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Posted by: garyW

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/28/12 08:16 AM

Mitt Romney, every Republican candidate, all of the Republican Congressional leadership, every FoxNews talking head including the ubquitous Karl Rove and Sarah Palin and Donald Trump, every single rightwing pundit on TV and radio and blogosphere, the WSJ the entire Murdoch empire --- said that the Affordable Care Act was unconstitutional.

Will a single one of them admit they were wrong?

</endzone happy dance>

Posted by: steveg

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/28/12 08:20 AM

Admit they were wrong? Wazzamattah youse? Iz youse nuts or sumpin'? crazy

Matter of fact, currently uninsured and under-insured righties should be pleased with the decision. After all, being a Republican is a pre-existing condition! eek
Posted by: DLC

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/28/12 09:36 AM

Yeah I saw Mitt say that "NO GOP had ever said it was unConstitutional"... I almost screamed !! mad

Gawd, where is spontaneous combustion when you need it !?? grin

Now they're saying "well even if it is Constitutional doesn't mean it's good ! WFT does the SCOTUS know !!" crazy

Posted by: steveg

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/28/12 10:01 AM

Let's be fair, the right got to gloat over Citizens United, we get to gloat over this. The difference, of course, is one is good for we the peeps, t'other is good for the big corporation and the 1%.

One of these things is not like the other... grin
Posted by: DLC

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/28/12 10:05 AM

OK another complaint... now the righties are claiming it's a TAX increase on the middle class.

No it's a Penalty for Idiots who think they can survive wo some kind of health coverage and let everyone else pay for their mistake if they're wrong! IF you're poor and can't afford it, you can apply for credits so you can ! Doesn't that cover about 98-99% of everybody ?

Posted by: steveg

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/28/12 10:15 AM

If I'm not mistaken, the hit is a little less than $100, and anything even vaguely related to enforcement was written out of the final bill. So in reality, it's neither penalty nor tax — unless you feel guilty enough to pay it.
Posted by: Jim_

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/28/12 11:21 AM

If anyone has a link/s or something that explains exactly what this means to us 99% let me know. I'm already receiving the emails from my righty friends that believe the Rs "we're now on the brink of financial destruction" message they're hearing from Rush etal today.

I need something that spells it out simply. What it's going to cost us, how it's going to be paid for, how till it save them money etc.

I'm curious as to how it's going to be paid for also. Too busy right now to do the Google so I'm calling on my more politically knowledgeable peeps here to help.
Posted by: steveg

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/28/12 12:28 PM

I'll leave the minutia to Gary, since I think he goes to bed reading this stuff. grin

But I will tell you that a hard core right wing friend of mine called a half hour ago to bitch and moan. I explained to hime that it will bring healthcare costs and insurance premiums down over time. I told him that as of now kids with pre-existing conditions can no longer be barred from coverage and that come 2014, that applies to everyone. That young adults under 26 can stay on their parents policy, that lifetime caps will be abolished. That women cannot be charged higher premiums than men. That the bill is fully paid for (unlike Bush's wars and tax cuts). And on and on...

His reply: "Are you serious? I didn't know that!" Two obvious things: The Obama Admin has done a piss-poor job of explaining the bill clearly; My friend is a devoted Fox News viewer. eek
Posted by: Jim_

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/28/12 12:49 PM

Originally Posted By: steveg
That the bill is fully paid for (unlike Bush's wars and tax cuts). And on and on...
That's the question, how. I keep hearing this financial ruin sobbing crap.

I heard about some kind of rebate by August 1 for what our providers have been over charging. For the majority that have insurance through their employer it seems the bear share will go to the employer who was paying the bulk of the premium, but for us that have been buying it straight from the company the rebate will be higher. cool

http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2012/06/27/253175.htm
Posted by: KateSorensen

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/28/12 01:00 PM

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Just one of my prescription meds use to cost me $45 per month. Now it is $5. $540 - $60 means I saved $480. Hm, could be a new iPhone next year? Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhh wink


Quite a nice yearly savings.

They also cover --> 100% <-- of preventive care costs.

Link: www.healthcare.gov/news/factsheets/2010/07/preventive-services-list.html

Holy sheet! I was going to look up a list of what procedures preventive care covers. I am shocked. Shocked. Round up the usual subjects. [Cassablanca film]


Covered Preventive Services for Adults

Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm one-time screening for men of specified ages who have ever smoked
Alcohol Misuse screening and counseling
Aspirin use for men and women of certain ages
Blood Pressure screening for all adults
Cholesterol screening for adults of certain ages or at higher risk
Colorectal Cancer screening for adults over 50
Depression screening for adults
Type 2 Diabetes screening for adults with high blood pressure
Diet counseling for adults at higher risk for chronic disease
HIV screening for all adults at higher risk
Immunization vaccines for adults--doses, recommended ages, and recommended populations vary:
Hepatitis A
Hepatitis B
Herpes Zoster
Human Papillomavirus
Influenza (Flu Shot)
Measles, Mumps, Rubella
Meningococcal
Pneumococcal
Tetanus, Diphtheria, Pertussis
Varicella
Learn more about immunizations and see the latest vaccine schedules.
Obesity screening and counseling for all adults
Sexually Transmitted Infection (STI) prevention counseling for adults at higher risk
Tobacco Use screening for all adults and cessation interventions for tobacco users
Syphilis screening for all adults at higher risk

Covered Preventive Services for Women, Including Pregnant Women

Note: Services marked with an asterisk ( * ) must be covered with no cost-sharing in plan years starting on or after August 1, 2012. See Affordable Care Act Rules on Expanding Access to Preventive Services for Women.

Anemia screening on a routine basis for pregnant women
Bacteriuria urinary tract or other infection screening for pregnant women
BRCA counseling about genetic testing for women at higher risk
Breast Cancer Mammography screenings every 1 to 2 years for women over 40
Breast Cancer Chemoprevention counseling for women at higher risk
Breastfeeding comprehensive support and counseling from trained providers, as well as access to breastfeeding supplies, for pregnant and nursing women*
Cervical Cancer screening for sexually active women
Chlamydia Infection screening for younger women and other women at higher risk
Contraception: Food and Drug Administration-approved contraceptive methods, sterilization procedures, and patient education and counseling, not including abortifacient drugs*
Domestic and interpersonal violence screening and counseling for all women*
Folic Acid supplements for women who may become pregnant
Gestational diabetes screening for women 24 to 28 weeks pregnant and those at high risk of developing gestational diabetes*
Gonorrhea screening for all women at higher risk
Hepatitis B screening for pregnant women at their first prenatal visit
Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) screening and counseling for sexually active women*
Human Papillomavirus (HPV) DNA Test: high risk HPV DNA testing every three years for women with normal cytology results who are 30 or older*
Osteoporosis screening for women over age 60 depending on risk factors
Rh Incompatibility screening for all pregnant women and follow-up testing for women at higher risk
Tobacco Use screening and interventions for all women, and expanded counseling for pregnant tobacco users
Sexually Transmitted Infections (STI) counseling for sexually active women*
Syphilis screening for all pregnant women or other women at increased risk
Well-woman visits to obtain recommended preventive services for women under 65*

Note: Services marked with an asterisk ( * ) must be covered with no cost-sharing in plan years starting on or after August 1, 2012. See Affordable Care Act Rules on Expanding Access to Preventive Services for Women.
Covered Preventive Services for Children

Alcohol and Drug Use assessments for adolescents
Autism screening for children at 18 and 24 months
Behavioral assessments for children of all ages
Ages: 0 to 11 months, 1 to 4 years, 5 to 10 years, 11 to 14 years, 15 to 17 years.
Blood Pressure screening for children
Ages: 0 to 11 months, 1 to 4 years, 5 to 10 years, 11 to 14 years, 15 to 17 years.
Cervical Dysplasia screening for sexually active females
Congenital Hypothyroidism screening for newborns
Depression screening for adolescents
Developmental screening for children under age 3, and surveillance throughout childhood
Dyslipidemia screening for children at higher risk of lipid disorders
Ages: 1 to 4 years, 5 to 10 years, 11 to 14 years, 15 to 17 years.
Fluoride Chemoprevention supplements for children without fluoride in their water source
Gonorrhea preventive medication for the eyes of all newborns
Hearing screening for all newborns
Height, Weight and Body Mass Index measurements for children
Ages: 0 to 11 months, 1 to 4 years, 5 to 10 years, 11 to 14 years, 15 to 17 years.
Hematocrit or Hemoglobin screening for children
Hemoglobinopathies or sickle cell screening for newborns
HIV screening for adolescents at higher risk
Immunization vaccines for children from birth to age 18 —doses, recommended ages, and recommended populations vary:
Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis
Haemophilus influenzae type b
Hepatitis A
Hepatitis B
Human Papillomavirus
Inactivated Poliovirus
Influenza (Flu Shot)
Measles, Mumps, Rubella
Meningococcal
Pneumococcal
Rotavirus
Varicella
Learn more about immunizations and see the latest vaccine schedules.
Iron supplements for children ages 6 to 12 months at risk for anemia
Lead screening for children at risk of exposure
Medical History for all children throughout development
Ages: 0 to 11 months, 1 to 4 years, 5 to 10 years, 11 to 14 years, 15 to 17 years.
Obesity screening and counseling
Oral Health risk assessment for young children
Ages: 0 to 11 months, 1 to 4 years, 5 to 10 years.
Phenylketonuria (PKU) screening for this genetic disorder in newborns
Sexually Transmitted Infection (STI) prevention counseling and screening for adolescents at higher risk
Tuberculin testing for children at higher risk of tuberculosis
Ages: 0 to 11 months, 1 to 4 years, 5 to 10 years, 11 to 14 years, 15 to 17 years.
Vision screening for all children

Learn more about the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force Recommendations.

Posted on: September 23, 2010

Last updated: June 26, 2012
Posted by: lanovami

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/28/12 01:28 PM

Gary, I was reading about the initial mistake by CNN and Fox about which way the decision went. Interesting stuff. The language of the decision opinion was even more convoluted than the usual opinion that it looked at first glance to have been a rejection. At one point, a Fox correspondent, when being asked to clarify, was speed reading the opinion to the camera live trying to figure out what the hell it said.
Posted by: garyW

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/28/12 02:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Jim_
If anyone has a link/s or something that explains exactly what this means to us 99% let me know.



Send your rightwing friends to ThinkProgress! (begin by telling them that "thinkprogress" is a new Karl Rove doodad, otherwise they won't bother going to a damn liberal website laugh ) They have two good posts.

10 things that you would miss in Obamacare

4 reasons Obamacare is good for the economy




Then there's the not-so-good stuff from today's ruling…

The rightwing can celebrate: poor people will get hurt.

Quote:
Buried in the Supreme Court’s 193-page decision on the health reform law was one big surprise: States can opt out of the law’s sweeping expansion of Medicaid, significantly reducing the number of Americans who gain insurance.

Posted by: garyW

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/28/12 02:35 PM

Originally Posted By: lanovami
... the initial mistake by CNN and Fox about which way the decision went.


Posted by: garyW

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/28/12 03:06 PM

The media likes to predict and be the first to grab the spotlight. Back in March this Toobin report was a lead story for days. Funny how in retrospect he got it right about Roberts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n30uutD5OVM#!
Posted by: DLC

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/29/12 09:23 AM

The reaction from the GOTP reminds me of some people in GA...

they still, after 150+ years, can't admit they LOST !! smirk

and they're real "pissy" about it !
Posted by: DLC

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 06/29/12 11:58 AM

Romney says its a BAD Policy...

gee, most professional medical associations DON'T !! crazy

Ah but Mitt's an expert !! ;-P
Posted by: Jonas_I

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 08/09/12 11:41 PM

What benefits can we get from this Affordable Care Act? This reform law provides greater benefits and protections for Americans. Furthermore, part of the Affordable Care Act is the development of “health care exchanges.” The trades will essentially be online areas where people can shop for health insurance. The states are supposed to create them, but those that don't will get a federal exchange imposed on them.
Posted by: musicalmarv7

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 08/10/12 03:17 AM

What would be your solution in this matter about Health Care?
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 08/10/12 04:16 AM

Marv, what is your detailed solution, I'm curious.
Posted by: steveg

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 08/10/12 05:20 AM

The devil is in the details. Because the tide may turn at the end of the day — which falls btwn two nights. And furthermore, ice cream has no bones. confused grin
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 08/10/12 07:26 AM

I think with the monies I will save with ACA...I will enroll myself in a puppeteering class.
I wish I lived near Connecticut because the U of C has an excellent puppetry department.
http://www.drama.uconn.edu/Puppetry/Puppet_home.htm
What a great place to hone my craft. Or I could try doing it in an internet forum.
Hmmmm.... tap...tap... which way... oh which way?
Posted by: DLC

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 08/12/12 09:19 AM

A few weeks ago I got a letter fro Aetna telling me I'd be getting a refund for 2012 !! Geez, that damned Obamacare at it again !! wink

I think THAT mandate will sway many naysayers ! Put their $ back in their pockets, can't hurt your PR.
Posted by: KateSorensen

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 08/12/12 01:11 PM

Originally Posted By: DLC
A few weeks ago I got a letter fro Aetna telling me I'd be getting a refund for 2012 !! Geez, that damned Obamacare at it again !! wink

I think THAT mandate will sway many naysayers ! Put their $ back in their pockets, can't hurt your PR.



My PERS retirement check was approximate $40 more than usual. It seemed strange to me. Now that I think about it, maybe PERS [who buys our insurance for all retirees] got a refund and passed it along.

Whoop te do! I'll check the PERS web site to see what's up.

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Posted by: garyW

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 08/12/12 03:17 PM

Originally Posted By: DLC
A few weeks ago I got a letter fro Aetna telling me I'd be getting a refund for 2012 !! Geez, that damned Obamacare at it again !! wink


Last week I actually recieved my ACA authorized "refund" check from Blue Cross Anthem. It was for $6.75.
I wasn't even sure if is was worth a laugh.
Posted by: musicalmarv7

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 08/14/12 03:47 AM

I have my opinions which I keep to myself.
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 08/14/12 04:08 AM

OK. Cool.
Give everyone else the same courtesy.
If you don't want to divulge your opinions.. why constantly ask others for theirs?
Posted by: Jim_

Re: irony of the Affordable Care Act - 08/14/12 05:51 AM

Originally Posted By: NucleusG4
OK. Cool.
Give everyone else the same courtesy.
If you don't want to divulge your opinions.. why constantly ask others for theirs?
Agreed, good point.