Voter Misinformation

Posted by: Clark

Voter Misinformation - 12/20/10 07:03 AM

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A poll called "Misinformation and the 2010 Election" was conducted by WorldPublicOpinion.org, based at the University of Maryland, and Knowledge Networks, right after the 2010 elections.
The poll found that voters were substantially misinformed on many key issues.
The misinformation was correlated with how people voted and their exposure to various news sources such as CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, PBS, Network TV news broadcasts, and Newspapers.

Some findings of the poll:

Republicans wrongly believe that:
The American economy is still getting worse.
Economists have concluded that the health care law will increase the deficit.
The stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts.
Most scientists do not agree that climate change is occurring.
Obama was born in the US or it is not clear whether or not Obama was born in the US.

Democrats wrongly believe that:
It was proven to be true that the US Chamber of Commerce was spending large amounts of foreign money to support Republican candidates.
Obama haas not increased the troop levels in Afghanistan.
When TARP was voted on, Democrats did not mostly favor it.

Both Democrats and Republicans wrongly believe that:
Income taxes have not gone down during the Obama administration.
The stimulus saved or created only a few jobs, or caused job losses.
The bailout of GM and Chrysler was not something that took place under both Presidents Bush and Obama.

Viewers of Fox news are the most misinformed of any news consumers.
The study also found that as exposure to Fox News increased, so did the misinformation.

Those who watched Fox News almost daily were significantly more likely than those who never watched it to believe that:
Most economists estimate the stimulus caused job losses.
Most economists have estimated the health care law will worsen the deficit.
The economy is getting worse.
Most scientists do not agree that climate change is occurring.
The stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts.
Their own income taxes have gone up.
The auto bailout only occurred under Obama.
When TARP came up for a vote most Republicans opposed it.
It is not clear that Obama was born in the United States.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/20/10 07:15 AM

See: "Well, D'uh!" wink
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/20/10 07:17 AM

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Viewers of Fox news are the most misinformed of any news consumers.
The study also found that as exposure to Fox News increased, so did the misinformation.


I bet their IQs decreased as well.
Posted by: Clark

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/20/10 09:06 AM

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Oops, sorry, how did I miss that?
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Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/20/10 11:51 AM

Geez...wonder where they conducted the poll?

I like this:
Sample Size: 848

They asked 848 people to get that result. Where were those 848 people located? And how many were related to the person taking the poll?

Gimme a break. Polls are one of the most easily influenced thing out there. I could take a poll here at work and come up with a totally different outcome.

Now, had they sampled a certain population % out of each state and in different parts of the state then I would believe it more. But as it is, I call bs on the poll.
Posted by: Clark

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/20/10 12:57 PM

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They used KnowledgePanel for the survey.
KnowledgePanel have seals of: BBB accredited business, Trust-e site privacy statement, and they are a member of the Council of American Survey Research Organizations ("CASRO"), the professional trade association of survey research companies. Knowledge Networks adheres to the mandated CASRO Code of Standards and Ethics for Survey Research.

Although they only show a sample size of 848, they claim the margin of error is only 3.4 percent.

The demographics that they used matches up well with the US Census.


Posted by: Mac007

I watch Fox news and I don't fit the profile - 12/21/10 03:19 PM

I wonder how many people out there are just like me? Maybe it's my new iPad. wink
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: I watch Fox news and I don't fit the profile - 12/21/10 03:26 PM

Well, if you watch purely for entertainment and not for factual "reporting," I guess you'd be ahead.
Posted by: carp

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/21/10 03:36 PM

Thats old information

I mean
Any political ad for the last 100 years - is misinformation.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/21/10 03:40 PM

These aren't political ads. They're "news" programs.
Posted by: carp

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/21/10 03:51 PM

Originally Posted By: MacBozo
These aren't political ads. They're "news" programs.


Sane thing Michael, you know that.
Posted by: TahoeTeal

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/22/10 11:56 PM

Of course you forgot to mention that WorldPublicOpinion.org is as far left as they get. Supported by the Tides Foundation, Ben and Jerry's Foundation, to name a few.
Posted by: MicMeister

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/23/10 01:07 AM

Originally Posted By: TahoeTeal
Of course you forgot to mention that WorldPublicOpinion.org is as far left as they get. Supported by the Tides Foundation, Ben and Jerry's Foundation, to name a few.


Do you mean 'as far left as they get' in American perspective or global perspective? I'm assuming you mean the American perspective in this case which is probably more to the center in global perspective.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/23/10 07:25 AM

So, a clearly representative sampling of the public is flawed because a left leaning organization did the study/poll? Would it be more credible if a right leaning organization had the same findings?
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/23/10 08:13 AM

Originally Posted By: MacBozo
So, a clearly representative sampling of the public is flawed because a left leaning organization did the study/poll?
Come on Michael, we all know polls are generally made to skew the results to an agenda. So the answer to your question would be yes.
Quote:
Would it be more credible if a right leaning organization had the same findings?
No. Why do you assume the poster feels that way?
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/23/10 08:21 AM

Originally Posted By: Reboot
Why do you assume the poster feels that way?
Oh, I don't know. Maybe because he chose to point that out?
Posted by: garyW

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/23/10 08:22 AM

Originally Posted By: Reboot
Why do you assume the poster feels that way?


Because "Supported by the Tides Foundation, Ben and Jerry's Foundation, to name a few" = Glenn Beck devotee. Duh. He held back and didn't include Soros or William Ayers.



Posted by: Jim_

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/23/10 08:24 AM

He never said that it would it be more credible if a right leaning organization had the same findings.
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/23/10 08:25 AM

You're both putting words into his mouth that he never said, and assuming how he thinks. We know what happens when one assumes.
Posted by: garyW

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/23/10 08:44 AM

When "Tides Foundation and Ben & Jerry's" is quoted there's little doubt where that popular nugget of info comes from, so yes, I am assuming how he thinks.
Posted by: TahoeTeal

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/23/10 09:22 AM

It doesn't take much to stir the pot here now does it. Of course I meant from my American perspective. Facts are facts. Many in here are so hysterical about some of the opinion folks on Fox News that they can't acknowledge the facts when it stares them in the face. Just a few minutes researching WorldPublicOpinion.org gives you all the information one would need to form a reasonable opinion on their perspective. It's as simple as that. I know some of you find it stunning that there are still people out here that actually take the time to educate themselves, rather than take another's opinion as gospel. Good Day!
Posted by: garyW

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/23/10 09:30 AM

So you've attended Beck University? laugh

All polls are taken at face value. If you're in the Republican/Foxnews/TeaParty camp that beleive our President is not a US citizen, that our taxes have gone up, Death Panels, and that the Recovery Act did not create a single job, then you've been well educated my friend!

Posted by: TahoeTeal

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/23/10 09:41 AM

garyW...........Your closed mindedness is mind numbing. An earlier poster warned you about making assumptions. You know the saying. No, I personally do not take polls at face value. I consider the source and how the questions were asked. Good Day.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/23/10 01:10 PM

All the while taking FUD News as "gospel." laugh wink
Posted by: garyW

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/23/10 01:12 PM

TahoeTeal ... you don't seem to understand that we are in agreement about the poll. That's probably why I didn't post earlier about it in this thread or the other one ("Well, D'uh!"). And I like polls ... ask me and I'll post a chart for you.

But it was your "Supported by the Tides Foundation, Ben and Jerry's Foundation, to name a few" comment that tells me exactly where your're coming from, and I pointed it out. Even your "people out here that actually take the time to educate themselves" is pure Beckspeak. Sorry if I hit a nerve, or if the poll hit a nerve with you. It's not being closed minded, it's being upfront about your position if you follow Beck or if you despise him.
Posted by: steveg

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/23/10 02:25 PM

Whew, that was close! The room almost leveled out there for a second... nearly tilted back toward the right a couple of degrees. Thank gawd that was KO'd by a quick left cross. I'd hate to think an alternative POV might actually creep in here again. "Good day" in deed!

Yeesh! sick
Posted by: garyW

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/23/10 02:41 PM

I have no problem with an alternative POV. And the whole Tides/Soros/Apollo Beck-doodah is certainly an alternate POV around here, because I don't recall any conservative on this forum posting that. Teal says I'm closed minded and need to educate myself, sorry, the catch phrases really aren't that enlighting (in a poll about FoxNews kinda way) .

I'm sure Alinsky, New Black Panthers, Che and Mao can find there way into this Left-leaning close-minded discussion too! Do you need a chart? laugh


Posted by: steveg

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/23/10 03:01 PM

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because I don't recall any conservative on this forum posting
Nuff sed.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/23/10 03:04 PM

There are conservatives and then, there are ditto heads. wink
Posted by: TahoeTeal

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/23/10 03:10 PM

Quite a few of you sure seem to let Fox and Beck, et al get under your skin!

I use no one source as gospel. You can bash Fox News all you want but that has nothing to do with how I form my opinions.

garyW....you continue with your closed minded diatribe, even though you have no earthly way of knowing me and how I inform myself on issues. To you 1+1=3 just because of your conditioned pre-judgments. You are wrong about me. Don't know how more simply to put it. I do my own research and come to my own conclusions, period. I did not say you needed to educate yourself. I said "I know some of you find it stunning that there are still people out here that actually take the time to educate themselves, rather than take another's opinion as gospel."
No nerves struck. I enjoy lively discussion. I have little patience for uninformed accusations.

Good Day!
Posted by: steveg

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/23/10 03:35 PM

I must say this, Michael, if I am to be honest with myself and everyone else here: There are liberals, and then there are ditto heads on on that side, too. Here and out in the Big Beyond-o.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/23/10 07:27 PM

Nah! Ditto heads are Rush's groupies. Their heads just bob up and down every time he speaks - no thought required. Beck simply plays on people's fears (for profit). We do have some conservatives here who don't drink the FUD kool-aide. I don't take any TV show as "gospel." It is getting nearly impossible to get real news out of all the noise these days.
Posted by: Lea

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/23/10 08:05 PM


"I use no one source as gospel. You can bash Fox News all you want but that has nothing to do with how I form my opinions."


I'll take your word for it, and I don't even know you. Yet. I'd just like to point out the obvious ~ Liberal minds are just as easily sprung and permanently shut steel traps as any other lock step mentality. Seriously, the left tilt here in the box has been good for me personally. I've slowly come to realize I never was that much of a Liberal ~ Or maybe just not much of a "goooood" Liberal. Suits me fine. To tell the truth, it's been a liberating couple of years (punage mileage may vary wink ).
Posted by: TahoeTeal

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/23/10 08:30 PM

Lea.......You are absolutely right. A couple perfect examples of the "steel trap" right here in this thread. I really like good rational discussion, but the name calling gets really childish. I think you've described well why so many feel the need to use negative labels instead of engaging in rational discussion.
I remember quite awhile ago the first time I visited this forum. One poster took it upon himself to take my postings and search the internet looking for source material where it could have been cut and pasted from. He found no such thing and concluded that I was being sincere and original in my thoughts. I'm no Einstein but I do enjoy reading and discovering for myself what I consider to be the truth.
Good Night.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/24/10 05:26 AM

Name calling?
Posted by: steveg

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/24/10 06:58 AM

I think he means that figuratively. Let's face it, anyone especially new or infrequent visitors with a stated right wing position get hammered almost immediately, and made to feel like trespassers here. I sure as hell don't subscribe to the conservative agenda (although on some issues I do lean a tad more right than left), but this practice of political piling on is one reason why this place has lost a a measure of it's former vibrancy.

Sorry of that ruffles feathers, but that's the way I see it.
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 10:40 AM

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Let's face it, anyone especially new or infrequent visitors with a stated right wing position get hammered almost immediately, and made to feel like trespassers here.


So I'd be interested in what the "Hammering" is, exactly ...

If you're using this thread as an example, I see one poster replying to Tahoe's comments, with maybe an aside or two from another. Neither of which I saw as particularly offensive. Aggressive? Opinionated? Sure. But that's what this place is all about, as you well know.

As for "Trespassers," if making someone feel unwelcome here is accomplished merely by posting an opinionated and/or aggressive response - or even many of them - then this place is indeed not going to get any new blood ...

Welcome back, Tahoe, btw ;-)
Posted by: steveg

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 12:21 PM

"Hammering" is a figurative term. Even a tad hyperbolic (a teeny tad). But you already know that. Regarding your second comment, you will notice there is virtually no new blood here. Nor has there been for quite some time because the joint is known for its pronounced and vigorously defended list to port.

It's fine if a given POV is prevalent in a forum like this. But when the the tone and manner implies that other views need not apply and that's been my perception for a while new membership is hard to come by.

Doesn't mean anyone should suddenly drop their convictions and embrace the opposite position just to be neighborly, but the polarity here can be a bit much.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 12:46 PM

Well, mojo used to be fairly coherent while his guy was in, but when Obama won, he went all psychotic on us and stomped off.
Posted by: steveg

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 01:14 PM

And why do you think that was? Maybe he just expected to get shouted down if he voiced any right-leaning views or worse, the kind of anti-administration sentiments we so lavishly bestowed upon Bush.

Seriously, man, this is a tough room to survive in if you're a conservative. And I can empathize because where I am, I've been in some real bricks & mortar rooms where survival as a liberal is no easy task.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 01:31 PM

Actually, mojo went off the deep end. Started screaming "Socialist! Communist! Fascist!" without any provocation as I recall. Took all of us by surprise, because he had been pretty well reasoned until his guys actually lost.
Posted by: steveg

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 02:28 PM

I vaguely remember him leaving, but I don't remember a tirade. Will just take your word for it. It's not germane to my point, anyway. One guy going postal for whatever reason and new prospects passing by our front door are two different things.

We used to have some pretty intense snowball fights in here. But that was when the two camps were more equal in number. Now, if some poor schmuck takes a right wing position, he or she quickly finds him or herself alone and facing a wall of liberal wrath.

Meh, I can see I'm not gonna get anywhere with this line of thinking, either. Carry on...
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 02:33 PM

Heh-heh. I'd actually welcome some well reasoned conservative opinions here. Just haven't seen much other than TP parroting of Beck and Rush and the wicked witch of the North.

EDIT: I guess mojo has checked in occasionally. Tahoe is welcome to further explain his views if he wishes. I'd like to see if he has something to offer.
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 02:50 PM

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Now, if some poor schmuck takes a right wing position, he or she quickly finds him or herself alone and facing a wall of liberal wrath.


See, I guess this is where you lose me a little -- that and the "opposing views are not welcome here" deal. I haven't seen any foaming-at-the-mouth get-the-he'll-out attitudes in here in a long time. The most liberal poster here I can think of Is Gary, and agree with him or not, he usually posts cogent replies or opinions (charts included!) ... I certainly have never seen him or anyone else tell someone they shouldn't post or that their opinions are unwelcome ...

Part of the problem *is* that there is an unbalance here right now, so a view from the Right is probably going to meet with a disproportionate number of replies from the Left. Is that hounding or unwelcoming? Kind of depends on your expectations I guess. Although in this thread I thought there was a fairly equal back-and-forth with Tahoe holding his own fairly well, and I certainly hope that spirited encounters won't dissuade him from posting further ...

Although things aren't going to get any better either if any responses to a view from the Right are automatically written-off as hounding and such, 'cause that'll scare new folk off just as much as actual exchanges might :-D
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 04:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Reboot
He never said that it would it be more credible if a right leaning organization had the same findings.

Like GW never said that Iraq was directly responsible for 9/11. The implication is clear, though.
Posted by: garyW

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 04:45 PM

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The most liberal poster here I can think of Is Gary, and agree with him or not, he usually posts cogent replies or opinions (charts included!)


Really? I recall Lea, Steve, DLC, Michael all being to left of my opinion of Obama's stand on the tax bill. Lea even posted her praise of Keith Olbermann's POV.

I recall the same positions on the health care bill. And the financial bill. And the Afghanistan policy. All of these forum members posted their POV that was left-leaning of my own. They all seemed to support Hillary or Edwards in the campaign who were certainly left of Obama's positions.I happen to agree with most policy positions and the approach taken by this administration. Even Reboot calls positions I support "same as the old boss." I am certainly not the most liberal posting member on this forum.

Lea and Steve can post about the blowhard rants of Olbermann or Ed Schultz or Lawrence O'Donnell. Yet I pointed out that TahoeTeal (who's last appearance here was to defend Rush Limbaugh and the Tea Party ... and criticize the liberal opinions of forum members) did nothing more than throw out Beck conspiracy talking points on the all-mighty powers of The Left. He didn't deny it, or discuss what he had posted when it brought up as Beckspeak ... he said it was "childish name calling", our minds were "steel traps" and we needed to educate ourselves. More Beck talking points. And he played the poor victim with Steve's encouragement. If my steel trap doesn't believe Tides/Ben & Jerry/Soros/Apollo/Black Panthers/ Acorn, etc. is controlling the Liberal Agenda or policy of the Obama administration, then TahoeTeal is more than welcome to come discuss it all to the forum, but to drop that turd bomb into this thread and play the victim is just flame bait. (which in hindsight, I probably should have ignored).

Posted by: steveg

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 04:52 PM

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Part of the problem *is* that there is an unbalance here right now, so a view from the Right is probably going to meet with a disproportionate number of replies from the Left. Is that hounding or unwelcoming? Kind of depends on your expectations I guess.
And the "unbalance" is self-perpetuating. If you posted a liberal POV in a mostly conservative forum, and you were immediately indicted as an MSNBC/Olbermann/Maddow follower, and effectively had your views dismissed on that basis, I dare-say you'd feel a wee bit unwelcome. And I didn't use the term "hounded", BTW.

I think this forum tilts too far to the left to allow a more balanced discussion. It's that simple. It doesn't necessarily apply to everyone, but it sets what I believe is an unmistakable tone. I have no doubt that's an unpopular position, but it's mine and I'm sticking with it.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 05:02 PM

Originally Posted By: steveg
If you posted a liberal POV in a mostly conservative forum, and you were immediately indicted as an MSNBC/Olbermann/Maddow follower, and effectively had your views dismissed on that basis, I dare-say you'd feel a wee bit unwelcome.


But, I wouldn't stomp away declaring I was offended or a victim.
Posted by: steveg

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 05:18 PM

Why do you keep referring to mojo? He's got nothing to do with the issue I'm raising here.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 05:20 PM

Originally Posted By: steveg
Why do you keep referring to mojo? He's got nothing to do with the issue I'm raising here.


Because he could hold his own in here prior to November 2008. After that, he really went off the deep end.
Posted by: garyW

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 05:29 PM

I thank mojo for enlightening me with the phrase "toothpaste is out of the tube." I crack myself up every chance I get to use it.

laugh
Posted by: carp

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 05:38 PM

Well
I think Mojo was a republican but theres nothing wrong with that.

Anyway - In my opinion <-- my POV.

There are times no matter if the poster is left, right or center, the thread can spiral down into condescending tones.
Posted by: TahoeTeal

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 05:52 PM

Hmmmmmm.............So anyone that posts a conservative opinion is automatically assumed to be a disciple of Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc? If any topic is ever touched upon by the aforementioned conservative commentators, henceforth all who speak on said topic will be considered ill informed and merely spewing right wing talking points.

I get it.........

Michael, what would you like me to explain? I believe I've expressed my opinion honestly. I don't feel I've been victimized, nor am I asking for sympathy.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 05:59 PM

So, can you present credible evidence that FUD News viewers are not misinformed?
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 06:12 PM

Fine. You're not the most liberal poster here. Noted, and it doesn't affect my point in any case. Moving on ;-)
Posted by: garyW

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 06:27 PM

Thanks! Glad to clear that up.

Now, we just need to get to the root of what's close-minded and uneducated in our suffocating left-leaning forum posting. laugh

Posted by: carp

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 06:31 PM

Were you responding to me ?

or

Did you hit quick reply ?
Posted by: steveg

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 06:33 PM

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And he played the poor victim with Steve's encouragement.
That's quite a stretch. But thanks for illustrating my point.
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 06:38 PM

Originally Posted By: TahoeTeal
Hmmmmmm.............So anyone that posts a conservative opinion is automatically assumed to be a disciple of Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc? If any topic is ever touched upon by the aforementioned conservative commentators, henceforth all who speak on said topic will be considered ill informed and merely spewing right wing talking points.
Now you get it. wink

I have never listened to Hannity other than for a few minutes, Beck used to be good his first year or two, 2002-3, then went off the deep end when he started taking his opinion too seriously. Rush is and has always been sophomoric to me.

I don't get my news from them or Fox.

Yet I am accused of the same as you mentioned above. Why I rarely participate here anymore. No matter what I post its validity has already been pre-judged.
Posted by: TahoeTeal

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 07:32 PM

Michael....I feel no obligation to support or critique Fox news. I can only vouch for my thoughts and opinions, which I know are not misinformed. My first post to this thread was relative to the reliability and biases of polls. You should make a distinction between their opinion programming and their news.

garyW......You're continued pre-judging of persons holding a pov different than your own may have something to do with my comment on closed mindedness. You may want to re-read my post. I never accused anyone of being uneducated.

Carp....I did hit quick reply

Reboot.......Indeed....it comes with the territory so to speak.

steveg........I appreciate the willingness to disagree with grace.
Posted by: steveg

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 07:46 PM

Please leave Grace out of this. And how do you she and I had an argument?





laugh
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 07:47 PM

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I think this forum tilts too far to the left to allow a more balanced discussion.


I'm not sure how a balanced discussion depends on how far in one direction or another one leans politically -- wouldn't balance just require two differing points of view?

And indeed you did not use the exact term "hounded" ... well spotted =P

As far as feeling unwelcome in a forum largely populated by those of an opposing point of view, I think I'd be smart enough to expect some to pigeonhole and to deal with them appropriately ;-)

I might feel disinclined to continue if I got nothing but such responses -- but I haven't seen that happen here terribly often ...
Posted by: carp

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 07:55 PM

As far as feeling unwelcome in a forum largely populated by those of an opposing point of view

Thats the point to this conversation - right

This forum does lean to the left.
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 08:32 PM

Quote:
Thats the point to this conversation - right

This forum does lean to the left


I thought the point of this conversation was that this forum is incapable of rationally discussing an opposing point of view ...

If it's really that the forum leans to the Left, well duh ...

If it's that because the forum leans to the Left it is necessarily incapable of intelligently discussing an opposing point of view or intolerant of those who hold them, I disagree ...
Posted by: carp

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 09:10 PM

Originally Posted By: six_of_one
Quote:
Thats the point to this conversation - right

This forum does lean to the left


I thought the point of this conversation was that this forum is incapable of rationally discussing an opposing point of view ...

If it's really that the forum leans to the Left, well duh ...

If it's that because the forum leans to the Left it is necessarily incapable of intelligently discussing an opposing point of view or intolerant of those who hold them, I disagree ...


You just proved my point -
Thanks Big Six. In a unknowing way.

Like with in any pro-con discussion - it does turn into a condescending tone. in favor of the majority of the room.
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 09:28 PM

What exactly was condescending?

The "Duh?" ... Seriously, the fact that this place leans Left is pretty much a no- brainer. If that's what this is all about, I don't think anyone disagrees =) So yeah, that's pretty much a "duh" moment. I don't think that's a particularly inappropriate comment ...

Apart from that possibility, I'm not sure what else would cause offense ...
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 10:43 PM

And I guess I should add that if "Duh" is the level that's supposed to be scaring people away ... well, that's just pretty sad ...
Posted by: garyW

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/26/10 11:05 PM

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You're continued pre-judging of persons holding a pov


I'm pre-judging the use here of terms and conspiracy jargon that is pretty well saturated the news channel that this post was discussing ... and the poll of the mindset of FoxNews viewers. The thread doesn't or shouldn't be about you or the antagonism you think is being unloaded on you because of a differing opinion.

If you feel I prejudged you, then I apologize. I'd rather be discussing political issues than personal bickering. Or the idiocy of Glenn Beck.


Posted by: Lea

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/27/10 06:21 AM


Stop with that business about I'm left of you. It's about as aggravating as T. is right of 6 is centered over S. is behind and C. is nowhere.

I'm as sick of being defined by other peoples perceptions of my politics as probably the majority of the peeps who stopped posting here. And just as sick as I am of hearing the "they're losers, so they just went slinkin' away into the night" crap. Earth to LeBox? Dems are now officially losers. Political fortune and misfortune is an equal opportunity nailer.

And I not only don't remember mojo making a less than graceful exit ~ I don't believe it happened. To paraphrase? Link or it never happened.
Posted by: steveg

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/27/10 07:46 AM

Methinks "further left than me" is just code for "anti-Obama". Whatevah.

But credit where it's due: the Dems got a lot of good stuff done in the last couple of weeks.

And no credit where it's not due: Why did it all have to wait 'til the Lame Duck? More guts and leadership before November may have produced stronger legislation, and preserved the House majority. I'll say it again. The left deserved loss they got. So I expect the port list in here will now take on a defensive tone.

Indie be lookin' mighty good to me, too.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/27/10 07:59 AM

Back to my original question: Would The results of the poll be more credible if the Heritage Foundation had conducted/funded it? The questions were probably rather straight forward. "Do you believe that President Obama is a US citizen," etc? This ain't rocket science.
Posted by: garyW

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/27/10 08:23 AM

Originally Posted By: Lea

Stop with that business about I'm left of you. It's about as aggravating as T. is right of 6 is centered over S. is behind and C. is nowhere.

I'm as sick of being defined by other peoples perceptions of my politics as probably the majority of the peeps who stopped posting here. And just as sick as I am of hearing the "they're losers, so they just went slinkin' away into the night" crap. Earth to LeBox? Dems are now officially losers. Political fortune and misfortune is an equal opportunity nailer.

And I not only don't remember mojo making a less than graceful exit ~ I don't believe it happened. To paraphrase? Link or it never happened.



Since you replied to me, I don't see any comment I ever made about mojo's leaving. I don't see any comment I made about "slinkin' away into the night" crap. I made my comments regarding you specifically on the tax cut debate, the healthcare debate, the war policy. If I'm to respond to the comment that I'm the most closed-minded left leaning liberal on the board I was making the point to that.

This thread is a total clusterf*ck. (That's Stewart-speak. You can assume accurately that I am a fan of John Stewart when I post that term in a reply).
Posted by: steveg

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/27/10 08:46 AM

It never ceases to amaze me how quickly an unpopular (to this room) proposition gets tagged as a fustercluck. I stated the opinion that the box leans too far to the left and that those predisposed to a starboard view tend to get piled on before they've had a chance to hang up their hat. And my gawd, look at the wrist-wringing that's gone on. Yeesh!
Posted by: Lea

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/27/10 08:48 AM


I apologize, gary. Michael was indeed the one who was talking about mojo.



Edit: Addendum ~ What steve just said.




Posted by: steveg

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/27/10 08:56 AM

Quote:
I apologize, gary. Michael was indeed the one who was talking about mojo
Are you sayin' Gary doesn't have is mojo workin'? blush grin
Posted by: garyW

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/27/10 09:17 AM



When a thread that begins as a political discussion turns into days of personal bickering, pychoanalysis of other's opinions ( yes, guilty), and talk about forum members not participating in the thread, then it is a clusterf*ck. We've been down this path before ... with or without the involvement of socks. I don't believe it has anything to do with your stated opinion of a left-leaning forum. But you can. And yes, your wiener is small, your mother never loved you, and the flying unicorn in your dream does represent your failure to earn the respect from the people that know you. laugh
Posted by: carp

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/27/10 02:01 PM

LOL
Posted by: TahoeTeal

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/27/10 07:12 PM

I thought another poster already answered that one for you earlier. No, I don't think that the Heritage Foundation would be without bias. I haven't seen the questions so I can't presume that they were "probably" straightforward. Exactly, this ain't rocket science. Polls can certainly be created in such a way that one can obtain the desired results of preconceived notions. I've seen that many times. I tend to not pay much attention to polls other than for amusement. I prefer to arrive at my opinion by other means. Let's face it, most polls are total crap anyway.
Posted by: TahoeTeal

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/27/10 07:36 PM

I think I covered your point about "conspiracy jargon" with this earlier comment, "Hmmmmmm.............So anyone that posts a conservative opinion is automatically assumed to be a disciple of Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc? If any topic is ever touched upon by the aforementioned conservative commentators, henceforth all who speak on said topic will be considered ill informed and merely spewing right wing talking points." Do you honestly believe that the only way to come to hold the opinions I've expressed is via conservative opinion programming? Follow the money my man. The internet makes it pretty easy.

Since when did this thread become about me?

This is beginning to remind me of my past attempts to have rational discussion with my ex-wife..........yikes!
Posted by: garyW

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/28/10 07:50 AM

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So anyone that posts a conservative opinion...


You've posted 9 times in this thread and have made zero conservative opinions. Zilch.


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If any topic is ever touched upon by the aforementioned conservative commentator...


The topic was the poll on misinformed voters. Your comment was that it was a result of influence of the Tides Foundation. Tides (along with Ben & Jerry Foundation) is the centerpiece of every Beck chalkboard conspiracy chart. Beck says regularly that he's the only one in the media telling people for years about Tides.

I didn't post my reply to your first post about any conservative political opinion, I posted it about the Beck influence in your Tides Foundation conspiracy opinion.

Quote:
Since when did this thread become about me?


In all your posts you've now had about 7 questions about yourself being prejudged and how the steel-traps in this forum won't allow your conservative POV.

You haven't posted your conservative POV. You've called yourself a conservative, and you've said many times how the liberal slant of this forum is somehow poised against you. I fail to see a single instance in this thread where your "conservative POV" is being challenged.

The only POV that I challenge is your first post and it's conspiratorial reference. I told you where I know that conspiratorial reference originates. I later called it flamebait as you never bothered to explain why it was important enough to bring up. You only replied repeatedly how poorly you're being treated. Buck up.


Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/28/10 08:29 AM

Quote:
Well
I think Mojo was a republican but theres nothing wrong with that.


As long as he acts professionally...


LOL
Posted by: steveg

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/28/10 08:30 AM

That's so g...



Oh nevermind. confused
Posted by: padmavyuha

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/28/10 08:53 AM

Big Sister Is Watching You wink
Posted by: TahoeTeal

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/28/10 09:07 AM

We are obviously from different planets, so to speak. From my perspective you don't read my posts, or just choose to ignore them. You don't have to agree with me, but I don't need your approval to bring up a subject that I feel relevant. Beck is not the only source of information in the universe. It's very easy to search the internet and gather information on groups or organizations and see who supports them financially. There's no conspiracy, it's out in the open for anyone to evaluate. Follow the money. You must see Beck in your nightmares every night. I think there isn't much left to say on this issue.
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/28/10 09:53 AM

Quote:
I think there isn't much left to say on this issue.


Uh.. yeah.. right.

Are you new here? Or just to politics.
There's ALWAYS going to be plenty more to say...
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/28/10 10:36 AM

BTW.. welcome (back) to the forum.. I was just busting your horns.
Posted by: steveg

Re: Voter Misinformation - 12/28/10 11:31 AM

He is? shocked