Assange/WikiLeaks - Obama/Empire - Sex/Sweden

Posted by: katlpablo

Assange/WikiLeaks - Obama/Empire - Sex/Sweden - 12/17/10 10:18 AM

For your reading pleasure…

THE ROVING EYE
of
Pepe Escobar
on
Assange/WikiLeaks & Obama/Empire & Sex/Sweden




THE ROVING EYE
November 30, 2010

Naked emperor hails sex by surprise
By Pepe Escobar

Using its house-trained corporate media as a mouthpiece, the Western establishment is having a collective hissy fit about recent diplomatic disclosures from WikiLeaks. But far from being a security risk, these leaked cables mostly just reveal the world of international politics as a tawdry reality show.




THE ROVING EYE
December 15, 2010

Hell hath no fury like an empire mocked
By Pepe Escobar

Despite being granted bail, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is still behind bars in Britain, the victim of a Swedish legal system that few believe is serving real justice. The empire has been humiliated, and will prove to be even more vindictive than a woman scorned as it fights to regain its information hegemony.




THE ROVING EYE
December 17, 2010

Emperor waits in wings with waterboard
By Pepe Escobar

Julian Assange is a free man for now, and the emperor's frustrated fury is a palpable thing. Washington is frantically seeking a way to put a legal veneer on its drive to strap Assange and WikiLeaks to the waterboard. If it succeeds, the tattered remnants of our press freedoms will be going under too.
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Assange/WikiLeaks - Obama/Empire - Sex/Sweden - 12/17/10 11:19 AM

I have just one question I have been meaning to ask, what is your sig about? If you're trying to convey a message it's not working, on me anyway. I have been known to miss the obvious though. smile

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

What's with this empire/emperor/minions stuff? Hard to take what he has to say seriously with all of that vitriol. Sounds as one sided as the people he's bashing.
Posted by: eckhard

Re: Assange/WikiLeaks - Obama/Empire - Sex/Sweden - 12/17/10 01:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Reboot
Hard to take what he has to say seriously with all of that vitriol. Sounds as one sided as the people he's bashing.


Vitriol - like the sulphor its name stems from - has a smell of nastiness about it. Rage - or outrage - would be a far better description of what millions around the world are feeling right now.
Especially, since quite a few (I wasn't among them, as you know) truly believed that with Obama a new spirit would guide America. Youthful optimism and hope.

The leaks themselves only confirmed what many had known or felt for a long time. They were partly astounding, partly old hat.
But the reactions have shown that the USA has indeed become a fascist state, whereby Fascism, by definition, is the combination of state and finance. When government acts through finance - as in the case of Visa, Mastercard, etc. - that is pure fascism.

Of course, all of these feeling had already been raised by the financial crisis, caused and fed by Wall Street and London.
How unimaginable wealth is being siphoned from the working people of this world and handed to the top 1%, how entire nations are driven into poverty through rating agencies, which are part of the scheme, that is a crime of such proportions, that *not* feeling rage would be a sign of utter moral decay.

Now, this can't be sloughed off with charges of anti-americanism, because it isn't America or her people, who are doing this, but rather a small and violent "elite", which has led them down a path toward this mess.
One can only hope that some of the rage will cross the Atlantic. Not rage against some foreign smoke-screen enemy, as has always been the case, but against the unscrupulous "elite", which from their glass towers and fenced mansions scheme against their very own people.

not Iraqis or Afghanistanis are killing Americans, but rather those bankers and schemers, for whom all these kids are just collateral damage.
The enemy lives right in Gotham City.
Posted by: carp

Re: Assange/WikiLeaks - Obama/Empire - Sex/Sweden - 12/17/10 02:29 PM


You say this.

But the reactions have shown that the USA has indeed become a fascist state, whereby Fascism, by definition, is the combination of state and finance. When government acts through finance - as in the case of Visa, Mastercard, etc. - that is pure fascism

Heres the truth of the meaning of the word (Fascism) - your not even close.


The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (1922–43), and the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also fascist. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Assange/WikiLeaks - Obama/Empire - Sex/Sweden - 12/17/10 02:39 PM

Quote:
Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach.


In Eck's analysis, this pretty much describes the über-wealthy. Of course, there are some on the far right who also fit the description.
Posted by: carp

Re: Assange/WikiLeaks - Obama/Empire - Sex/Sweden - 12/17/10 02:46 PM

True

but Finance - is not in the true meaning of the word of Fascism.

Keep in mind that in Germany and Italy to some extent the Jews , controlled the banks and markets. They were at the top of finance.

Nazis went after (race)
Posted by: eckhard

there's more to fascism than race, carp - 12/17/10 03:04 PM

I'm not a firm believer in Wikipedia, for for a quick look it will do:

Quote:
Fascism is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology. Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy. Fascism was originally founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I who combined extreme Sorelian syndicalist political views along with nationalism.Though normally described as being on the far right, there is a scholarly consensus that fascism was influenced by both the left and the right.


I'll gladly provide some more scholarly links, but the main aspects, which I boldfaced in the quote, do support my very brief definition ... and claim that the USA has become (and probably has been for some time "what's good for GM is good for America") a fascist state.
If you want to add racism, well, I guess there are ample signs of that as well, aren't there?

United Fruit and Teddy Roosevelt, Bush and the oil, Cheney and Haliburton .... who is running whom, all under the guise of national interests?
And once America had farmed out manufacturing to low wage countries, initially paying with overvalued Dollars, the industry that remained was finance, Wall Street.
And please don't tell me that the Banks don't set policies. Think any president could truly oppose Wall Street, even if he knew that that was the moral and proper thing to do?

Posted by: katlpablo

Re: Assange/WikiLeaks - Obama/Empire - Sex/Sweden - 12/17/10 03:35 PM

Apparently what is significant to me has no effect on you. That's all i can say. I do not readily include myself in any ready-made category like Republican (Party), Democratic (Party) or Tea (Party).

The WikiLeaks happening may or may not interest you, buts it does interest me. I'm just linking anyone interested to the articles that i think might be revealing of the WikiLeaks phenomenon.

Have you heard about the American Century Project (an American Empire project) the members of the Bush Administration (neo-cons they called themselves) had put together even before W had become President? They are still in power, their imperial aspirations intact, they control the economy and lawmaking in Congress, even though they continue to be a minority. Meanwhile, Obama hasn't been able or hasn't had the will to deal with them or their backers (the wealthiest international banks and corporations in Wall Street, the plutocracy) while others (in Main Street) languish in desperation and neglect, i.e. Empire rules.
Posted by: carp

Re: there's more to fascism than race, carp - 12/17/10 03:49 PM

Eck

Even in your link - there is still no mention of Financial anything ? ?

And once America had farmed out manufacturing to low wage countries,

I believe that was first thought of in the Nixon era - Simply stated that, bringing industries over to 3rd world countries will have a great (upward) trend to help those countries out -- This is opposed to just sending millions over seas, to help out the poor and poverished, those moneys simply disappear.

Clintons NAFTA - is the one agreement that clearly - screwed the US over.
However the bills intent was not meant to be such a , debilitating effect to the US economy . However major industries moved over seas - Including Apple.
Posted by: eckhard

huh? - 12/17/10 04:18 PM

Originally Posted By: carp
Eck

Even in your link - there is still no mention of Financial anything ? ?


Here's the quote once again:

Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy.

If you really believe that outsourcing was done for humanitarian reasons, you are very trusting, indeed.
Posted by: carp

Re: huh? - 12/17/10 04:26 PM

I'll post , tomorrow , guest just came through the door.

What that means to me - is (moral values) - not financial. I don't buy into that at all.

Unless you want to get into that Jews are better with money than say Chinese ? Then go for it.
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: huh? - 12/17/10 04:47 PM

Posted by: musicalmarv7

Re: Assange/WikiLeaks - Obama/Empire - Sex/Sweden - 12/18/10 03:24 AM

You are implying large corporations and banks are ruining the economy in the US and actually around the world.I agree with you.We have to control the banks and wall street or else another fiasco will happen once again.Again Obama has to start to show some authority on his part while confronting these enemies he dealt with from the start of his administration.Speaking of Assange I hope Sweden can get to extradite back to the US to stand charges for what he has started with these files of his.
Posted by: eckhard

Re: Assange/WikiLeaks - Obama/Empire - Sex/Sweden - 12/18/10 12:50 PM

Originally Posted By: jerryfox3
Speaking of Assange I hope Sweden can get to extradite back to the US to stand charges for what he has started with these files of his.


What do you mean by "back to the US"?
What charges can be laid that wouldn't at the same time have to be leveled against NYT etc. Assange didn't spy, he published.

And what has he started? A world-wide discussion of what you yourself considered important in the first part of your post.
Can't have your cake and eat it too.
Posted by: eckhard

Re: huh? - 12/18/10 01:03 PM

Originally Posted By: carp
Unless you want to get into that Jews are better with money than say Chinese ?


Remains to be seen, doesn't it? wink
When it comes to long-term thinking, nobody has more perspective.
Posted by: carp

Re: Assange/WikiLeaks - Obama/Empire - Sex/Sweden - 12/18/10 01:50 PM

What charges can be laid that wouldn't at the same time have to be leveled against NYT etc. Assange didn't spy, he published.

Ahh
Rather simple, Eck

The (PFC) gave Assange sensitive documents - that were stolen.

Assange then publishes these stolen documents.

To keep it really simpler

1 - PFC gave Assange a stolen gun

2 - Assange then pulls the (Trigger)

Ohh
Big time yes - Assange is guilty as H3LL. For not only accepting stolen documents , but guilty as well for publishing them, without any regard for the safety of the many people that are involved.

If anyone is harmed or killed because of this - Assange should be charged with murder.
Posted by: MicMeister

Re: Assange/WikiLeaks - Obama/Empire - Sex/Sweden - 12/19/10 05:48 AM

I cannot quite agree with this gun analogy of yours, carp. WikiLeaks and Assange can be considered as part of the press, the media, the independent media considered essential for a democracy. He got them, he published them, in co-operation with a few select large newspapers. Accusing him of spying is just bogus, but my guess is, they will "find" "evidence to support it".

The leaks were indeed mostly stuff most people with ample deduction skills combined with actually following the media and remembering past last week could already even figure out. Oh, and the single most ironic thing is, there's stuff in there that's been portrayed in the [US] entertainment industry with gloat all the time as fiction, yet now that someone publishes it, there's an outrage.
Posted by: MicMeister

Re: huh? - 12/19/10 05:52 AM

Originally Posted By: yoyo52


Thanks. I don't know how to present in a simpler way. laugh

Was it said already, that fascism itself has no notion of racial supremacy in it? It does not, national socialism (nazism) does. Although they are similar and have historical association, there are differences.
Posted by: katlpablo

Re: huh? - 12/19/10 10:18 AM

Originally Posted By: MicMeister
Originally Posted By: yoyo52


Thanks. I don't know how to present in a simpler way. laugh

Was it said already, that fascism itself has no notion of racial supremacy in it? It does not, national socialism (nazism) does. Although they are similar and have historical association, there are differences.


I like these kind of charts, so i'm adding this one that i found in The Liberty Papers.


See FULL SIZE
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: Assange/WikiLeaks - Obama/Empire - Sex/Sweden - 12/19/10 08:09 PM

Originally Posted By: carp
If anyone is harmed or killed because of this - Assange should be charged with murder.


Utterly ridiculous.

Not my words, but probably the best I've heard on the subject:

"If Assange was Chinese, and these were documents about China he'd be labeled a dissident by the west and be given the peace prize"
Posted by: musicalmarv7

Re: Assange/WikiLeaks - Obama/Empire - Sex/Sweden - 12/20/10 03:45 AM

[censored] being advertised over any media.This is getting to be a real fiasco like VP Biden said he is a traitor to the US for leaking this inf. Private Manning should spend the rest of his life in a military jail.Just for money and attention.This is absurd!
Posted by: carp

Re: Assange/WikiLeaks - Obama/Empire - Sex/Sweden - 12/21/10 04:20 PM

Originally Posted By: SgtBaxter
Originally Posted By: carp
If anyone is harmed or killed because of this - Assange should be charged with murder.


Utterly ridiculous.

Not my words, but probably the best I've heard on the subject:

"If Assange was Chinese, and these were documents about China he'd be labeled a dissident by the west and be given the peace prize"


LOL

Lets say that you are a secret spy working in Iran - I then publish your identity and they the Iranian police, , BLOW your freaking brains out.

Ohh so thats not my fault <-- Ya got to be a smart guy laugh
Posted by: katlpablo

Re: Assange/WikiLeaks - Obama/Empire - Sex/Sweden - 12/21/10 06:56 PM

Originally Posted By: carp
Originally Posted By: SgtBaxter
Originally Posted By: carp
If anyone is harmed or killed because of this - Assange should be charged with murder.
Utterly ridiculous.

Not my words, but probably the best I've heard on the subject:
"If Assange was Chinese, and these were documents about China he'd be labeled a dissident by the west and be given the peace prize"
LOL
Lets say that you are a secret spy working in Iran - I then publish your identity and they the Iranian police, , BLOW your freaking brains out.

Ohh so thats not my fault <-- Ya got to be a smart guy laugh
Let's say that you hire a subcontractor to work for you in a contract for the construction of two apartment towers for the local Municipal Government. You don't know it yet, so, let me tell you, your subcontractor is somehow stealing your most expensive building materials from your warehouse and selling them —for less than you paid— to other building companies that are your competitors. They are all making easy money from your and City Hall's pockets.

And I, being a reporter, have been investigating those people for some time. When i have the whole picture i go and tell you about it, that i'm finishing an article and that i've filmed some videos of the whole operation. I publish them.

There's a public scandal. The Mayor is planning his reelection. Your honesty is being questioned.

The mafiosi subcontractors allege that my video and documents are not valid proof. The media they control or influence insist that i am a criminal, that i should be arrested. Their allegation is that when i digivideo'd them stealing in your warehouse i was in your property without your consent.


So what do you do?

Blame the Mayor and join your subcontractor's mafiosi gang?

Forget the burglary in your warehouse and prosecute Me for trespassing?

Sell the video with added off-camera witty humor, jokes and puns, and audience laughs on your website?

Prosecute the City Newspaper for publishing my article, local TV for airing my video, and you-tube for making the video go viral?

Prosecute the thieves and liars and give Me a handsome reward?

None of the above? — Explain?
Posted by: MicMeister

Re: Assange/WikiLeaks - Obama/Empire - Sex/Sweden - 12/22/10 01:51 AM

Katlpablo: Being a hired gun aka freelancer, I myself would go for the option paying the most and yielding the best long-term ROI, so it would probably be either one or both of these:

Originally Posted By: katlpablo
Sell the video with added off-camera witty humor, jokes and puns, and audience laughs on your website?

Prosecute the City Newspaper for publishing my article, local TV for airing my video, and you-tube for making the video go viral?
laugh
The biggest things so far that have been hurt are a few feelings and a few egos really, and all them being politicians and diplomats in this case, who cares, it is more of a show to them anyhow. Oh, and Assange, and he'll probably end up being the one most hurt in reality. Besides, the documents have been stripped off of all names basically and other identifiable info. Somehow I don't think memos of operations in planning are floating around there in any case anyhow either and CIA just boasted how they use different channels, so the point of some agents undercover in some nation getting killed because of the leaks is a stretch so huge you might actually rip your pants if you're not being careful.

OK, so the leaks have stripped the facade off of international diplomacy. So? Seriously, if anyone is really hugely surprised by this, they've had their blinders on.
Posted by: carp

Re: Assange/WikiLeaks - Obama/Empire - Sex/Sweden - 12/22/10 03:25 PM

Thats not a good - comparison laugh

Sorry its just hard too buy into it laugh Mine was better