"It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Care!"

Posted by: garyW

"It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Care!" - 03/17/10 11:59 AM

Yes it is. Thank you very much.


laugh


Pass. The. Bill.



Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Care!" - 03/17/10 12:34 PM

I've just got back from a doctors appointment. First time I've been there.

The guy looked confused when he asked me "who's your regular doctor" and I said "what do you mean regular doctor?"

Then I told him how I don't have bad health coverage, actually pretty good coverage, but for the past few years I don't have a doctor because the insurance keeps changing, so the doctors keep changing.

He just shook his head and said "I understand."
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Care!" - 03/17/10 12:49 PM

Can't even get consistent care with the current "system." crazy
Posted by: Trog

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/17/10 12:50 PM

I wish.

This is a little offtopic, but not really...

Two weeks ago my wife finds out she will need surgery on her jaw because when she had braces the crappy orthodontist pushed one of the brackets too low and it ruined the gum lining. She had a crown put on the tooth, but it really only slowed the problem.

She has to have a piece of bone from her chin removed and then grafted into her jaw to fix this just so she can eventually get a tooth implant about a year from now. Great teeth except this one horrible thing from the braces.

It costs $7,000 to do all this. Yes, $7,000. Not one single penny is covered by insurance. They consider this "elective" surgery. Yeah, she could pull the tooth, but around 4-5 years from now she would begin to lose the adjacent teeth. So, its elective...if you're ok with eventually losing all the teeth on one side of your face.

This is the kind of crap that will never be fixed as long as health insurance is a for-profit institution.
Posted by: Celandine

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/17/10 01:52 PM


The SAME PEOPLE who are telling you that
"EVERYONE ELSE in America" not only DON'T
Believe In HealthCare, ...but that they don't
Believe in MEDICAL ACCOUNTABILITY Either. smile
Posted by: garyW

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/17/10 02:00 PM

My Anthem Blue Cross policy denies coverage for a colonoscopy that my doctor recommended. The quote I have is $2800 out-of-pocket. shocked

My wife's annual mammograms are denied too because she had a benign cyst biopsied 15 years ago. The last bill we paid in Dec. for the exam was $900.

My policy also recently changed in the fine print to deny coverage at any local urgent care facilities. Nice.




Posted by: Celandine

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Care!" - 03/17/10 02:16 PM


I'm not sure what's going on with my HMO
well.. actually I do... they just went out
of business.. but not sure why.. unless my
years of medical care is some indication..

In any case.. I halfway through February
I received a letter switching me to a more
popular HMO. I will be seeing a doctor for
the first time in well over 10 years (more
like 20.. since I had no follow-up after my
surgery, except the stint in the emergency
room for strep throat, where I was told I
had diabetes, high blood pressure and a
bad ticker..

Anyway.. I don't know what to think yet.. my
first appointment will be on April Fool's Day blush
and the doctor's located in what was once
the local mortuary. eek
Posted by: Celandine

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/17/10 02:30 PM


Glad you're here..
maybe you can help me.

Every night on TV I'm being told that
53% of "Everyone ELSE In America"
that doesn't want Universal Healthcare..

JUST WHO THE HELL ARE THESE PEOPLE?

..so far, I've yet to meet one of them. crazy

SERIOUSLY...?
...Who the Hell is don't these Poles?


Even the ones that are freaking ecstatic
with their existing coverage MUST under-
stand that they wouldn't be losing anthing!
even if their Taxes went up.. their health
coverage would drop to compensate for it..

It would be like taking cash out of one
pocket but putting it in another. shocked
Posted by: MikeSellers

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/17/10 07:15 PM

Originally Posted By: garyW
My Anthem Blue Cross policy denies coverage for a colonoscopy that my doctor recommended. The quote I have is $2800 out-of-pocket. shocked

My wife's annual mammograms are denied too because she had a benign cyst biopsied 15 years ago. The last bill we paid in Dec. for the exam was $900.

My policy also recently changed in the fine print to deny coverage at any local urgent care facilities. Nice.


What's the point of having insurance if you have to pay it all out of pocket anyway, right?
Posted by: MikeSellers

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/17/10 07:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Trog
This is the kind of crap that will never be fixed as long as health insurance is a for-profit institution.


Yep. Even if we do have the best health care in the world (and that's debatable), what difference does it make if you can't afford it? I'd rather have the second best health care that doesn't bankrupt me.
Posted by: Jim_

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/17/10 08:20 PM

Originally Posted By: MikeSellers


Yep. Even if we do have the best health care in the world (and that's debatable), what difference does it make if you can't afford it? I'd rather have the second best health care that doesn't bankrupt me.
That's why none of this excites me. The problem is that the health care industry is out of control due to the insurance companies and the pharmaceuticals. That's where the "change" will come from, not from the expensive leaky bandaid called universal health care that will just be supplementing where the bleeding is coming from, at our expense.
Posted by: garyW

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/17/10 09:27 PM

Originally Posted By: MikeSellers
Originally Posted By: Trog
This is the kind of crap that will never be fixed as long as health insurance is a for-profit institution.


Yep. Even if we do have the best health care in the world (and that's debatable), what difference does it make if you can't afford it? I'd rather have the second best health care that doesn't bankrupt me.


And that is kinda what I was trying to imply with my original post. I agree that all of the accusations coming from the Right are true that this bill will be the beginning of Single Payer Universal care. Single Payer didn't have a prayer of a chance to get through the Congress with this Senate. But this Senate bill will. And then comes Obama's fix-it bill through reconciliation. And then maybe a Public Option ammendment soon after.

Once those are signed into law then it can only be amended and fine-tuned and sometime (sooner then never) this country can have federally funded universal health care that will be the envy of the world.

Without this bill, the first step in a long process, then we are stuck with insurance companies and the GOP & teabaggers voting to keep them in power ... and the Supreme Court just added fuel to their fire. It's got to happen this time or not at all.


Posted by: Jim_

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/17/10 09:39 PM

Originally Posted By: garyW
Once those are signed into law then it can only be amended and fine-tuned and sometime (sooner then never) this country can have federally funded universal health care that will be the envy of the world.
All financed by our increased taxes which will be just be feeding the whole problem, making the pharmaceutical and the health care industries richer on our dime. Marvelous.

Again, not fixing the real reason we need the health care bill, out of control costs.
Posted by: garyW

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/17/10 09:51 PM

Quote:
All financed by our increased taxes


The cost of current bill is $100 Billion/yr.
The CBO score on the Senate bill says it pays down the deficit. We'll know tomorrow what the second Senate bill will score.

What new taxes have you had? What new taxes are in the current budget?
Obama's likely not to renew the Bush tax cuts on the wealthiest Americans ($250/yr plus), but mostly it's effect is on those with $1Million+/yr.

"Cadillac" policies are said to have a new tax coming. Corporations are going to have to pay taxes on what they've been hiding offshore.

What new taxes?



Posted by: carp

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/17/10 10:13 PM

Originally Posted By: SgtBaxter
I've just got back from a doctors appointment. First time I've been there.

The guy looked confused when he asked me "who's your regular doctor" and I said "what do you mean regular doctor?"

Then I told him how I don't have bad health coverage, actually pretty good coverage, but for the past few years I don't have a doctor because the insurance keeps changing, so the doctors keep changing.

He just shook his head and said "I understand."


Yep

Me too don't have a regular doctor - in fact the last medical plan change both my then doctor and dentist refused to take my plan .
Posted by: Jim_

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/17/10 10:22 PM

Originally Posted By: garyW

The cost of current bill is $100 Billion/yr.
And it's a watered down version of what is needed.
Quote:
What new taxes have you had?
WTF? They haven't even passed the bill yet, LOL.

Wait and see.
Posted by: garyW

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/17/10 10:39 PM

Yet you claim it will all be financed by increased taxes which don't exist, or have even been proposed. The CBO has given accurate accounting of the cost.

The $100B/yr helps a whole lot of people live, watered down or not. 45K die each year because they had no health coverage. As I stated, the goal is to begin with this bill and improve upon it. But where tax credits and subsidies are written into the legislation, you're saying new taxes where none exist.

So there's fear of Democrats taxing when the reality is that there's extended health coverage for millions and lowered deficits.





Posted by: MacBozo

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/18/10 03:17 AM

That's because the rethugicans hide their tax increases in service fees.
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/18/10 05:39 AM

Originally Posted By: Reboot
Again, not fixing the real reason we need the health care bill, out of control costs.


Certainly costs need to be brought under control, but one of the reasons costs are out of control is because health care was turned over to the private sector.

While I'm certainly against turning into a society like the late Soviet Union, applying capitalism to everything seems silly. The scare talk of socialist health care is just that, silly. Some things aren't logical to be run by private corporations.

Ten years ago when the boneheads in our state government decided to deregulate the gas and electric company I said it was a stupid idea. They said it would promote competition. Yeah, right. Competition with a company that's had it's entire infrastructure paid for by taxes. Well, that fabulous competition that never came around has driven my electric bill from $50-$60 a month to about $300, and they want to keep raising rates because they don't make as much money as they did when they were regulated. I suppose if there is a side benefit I only use about 60% of the electricity I used when I was paying $60 so I don't end up paying a $900 bill. Phos should enjoy it when the deregulation kicks on in PA next year. smile

I wonder how people would feel if when they dialed 911, they had to have a credit card handy. "Hello ma'am, thanks for calling Acme police force. The fee to come arrest that burglar in your house is $5,000, plus gas and ammunition charges. What, you can't pay? Well then I hope your life insurance is paid for, sorry." Click.

No, the government is there to take care of its citizens. Seems to me health care falls under that category of responsibility.

edit - You know one of the reasons costs are so out of control is R&D costs on some of this equipment. That's one thing that certainly needs subsidies. If companies can start receiving back some of these R&D costs then I wouldn't have to pay $1200 for a one time use stapler in the O.R. that certainly can be manufactured for $5.
Posted by: DLC

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/18/10 09:10 AM

Quote:
My Anthem Blue Cross policy denies coverage for a colonoscopy that my doctor recommended. The quote I have is $2800 out-of-pocket.


why do you think they call it Blue Cross ??


Because You're getting crucified !! eek
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/18/10 09:12 AM

Seems that they just want your money without providing anything in return. crazy
Posted by: DLC

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/18/10 09:14 AM

Originally Posted By: MacBozo
Seems that they just want your money without providing anything in return. crazy


B I N G O ! ! . . . give that man a Cigar !!


isn't that true of ALL insurers !? mad
Posted by: garyW

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/18/10 09:27 AM

It's there for the emergency (except if it's at an urgent care center). Who knows, it's really a crapshoot to hope my expensive policy will actually keep me well. If I was diagnosed tomorrow with cancer I'm certain they'd find a way to deny me because I didn't report that I'd eaten paste in the second grade.

Preventative care seems to a big problem for them to cover.

I recently found a really great doctor ( I hope he continues to accept my insurance provider). I thought turning 50 I want to get a complete workup. Co-pay for the office visit and follow up were $40. That's a good thing.

Lab work - blood, cholesterol, prostate screening and all that ... $80. out of pocket. That's good too. I mentioned the colonoscopy ... I'm going to wait on that.

Opthalomagist visit to check my vision and eye health ... no coverage on my policy.
Last year I had my hearing checked ... no coverage.
Posted by: Celandine

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/18/10 10:36 AM

Good..I'm glad. smile

I really like you
and I hope you sick around.

Glad it's just for the sake of a check-up
Me & Mr.B can relate stories that could curl yer hair.

ANYWAY:

That's a Key Issue
promised in the Obama Bill:
Preventative Care and Screening..
It's cost effective to catch & treat
maladies sooner than later to keep people
healthy & productive, rather than making you
sick then getting rich off treating you to death.** smile


** banging on BIG PHARMA
Posted by: MikeSellers

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/18/10 06:55 PM

Originally Posted By: garyW
. . . it's really a crapshoot to hope my expensive policy will actually keep me well. If I was diagnosed tomorrow with cancer I'm certain they'd find a way to deny me because I didn't report that I'd eaten paste in the second grade.


Yep, we're applying for new insurance now and the form is worded so that they will always have an out if you have a serious claim to make.

"Has any applicant consulted with or received treatment from any doctor or other health care provider for any other condition or symptom(s) not listed on this application?"

That's so broad, if I received an aspirin from a school nurse in the third grade, it would qualify. My wife and I are scratching our heads, trying to list anything that could be used against us if we don't disclose it. We're both over 50 years old. There's no way we can remember every godd@m thing we've ever been treated for.


I'm convinced that the best advice to come out of Congress in the last 30 years was Alan Grayson's Republican-mocking "Just don’t get sick. … If you do get sick . . . die quickly." Seriously, think about that. It's great advice. Not only does it not cost anything, if you follow it, you'll actually save your family money. When's the last time Congress did something like that?
Posted by: Jim_

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/18/10 10:07 PM

Originally Posted By: SgtBaxter
You know one of the reasons costs are so out of control is R&D costs on some of this equipment. That's one thing that certainly needs subsidies.
If you really believe the R&D cost figures are legitimate I guess so. That's one of the reasons for the exorbitant prices, supposed high R&D.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/19/10 06:27 AM

Why do we pay such high prices, supposedly to finance those R&D costs, and the rest of the world has much lower prices for the same products/drugs?
Posted by: Jim_

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/19/10 07:33 AM

Originally Posted By: MacBozo
Why do we pay such high prices, supposedly to finance those R&D costs, and the rest of the world has much lower prices for the same products/drugs?
Good question. That's exactly what I'm talking about. The machine is broken, but throwing more of our money at it isn't going to fix it. All the health care bill is going to be is enriching the rich even more. mad

Want change? Fix what's broke, don't enable it even more by tossing more money at it.
Posted by: Lea

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/19/10 07:59 AM


The machine is broken, but mandating that I have to help throw more money at it isn't going to fix it that, either. It will seriously piss me and a whole bunch of other people off. Those of us who literally do not have room in what passes for our personal budgets to cough up a couple of hundred dollars extra a month to buy something we would never, ever have wasted money on ~ Because it's nothing more than a f'n crap shoot, and the house always wins. Always. Substitute "insurance companies that have already sucked you f'n dry for years with no real return" for "the house." There. That's more accurate.

We are ~ So. Screwed.



Posted by: MacBozo

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/19/10 08:04 AM

I'd rather you pay for your own rather than me having to subsidize it through my ridiculously high premiums.
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/19/10 08:23 AM

Originally Posted By: Lea
Substitute "insurance companies that have already sucked you f'n dry for years with no real return" for "the house." There. That's more accurate.


So I've learned that the hospital up here where I work is refusing to negotiate with our insurance company, who is strong arming the hospital.

Basically what this means is starting next month if I'm t-boned by some idiot up here around work and end up going to the hospital I'll owe 100% of the bill, until they can switch to a new insurance company. Lovely. It also means the doctor I just visited a few days ago and happened to actually like probably won't be seeing me anymore. Even better!

Know what? Forget reform. We shouldn't reform, we should nuke the entire system, piss on the ashes and start new.
Posted by: Lea

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/19/10 08:25 AM


I do pay for my own. What on the face of the planet makes you think you're paying my doctor bills? We don't get sick, hardly ever. When we do? We pay.

I'm sick of this "we have to pay for you because you don't buy into the same system that's screwed us." It's a Liberal Talking Point ~ A one size fits all kind of finger pointing away from the real problem, designed to make me feel guilty about being opposed to the mandate. I don't.

I can't be any clearer on this, but let me try. You. Do. Not. Pay. Our. Medical. Bills. If your insurance is screwing you with higher premiums every time you open the envelope, your beef should be with them and their obscene profit scheme. I'm not the reason they suck your money. You're not dumb enough to believe that my not buying their product means they have to charge you more. I know you're not.

So. Anyway. Yeah, we're all screwed. Get used to it.







Posted by: Lea

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/19/10 08:27 AM



Forget reform. We shouldn't reform, we should nuke the entire system, piss on the ashes and start new.


No. F'n. Shlt.



Posted by: MacBozo

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/19/10 08:42 AM

So, what happens if you have a catastrophic accident or illness? Do you have the 100s of thousands of dollars saved up for that? That is where the problem is. I'm very healthy myself, but there are folks out there just like you who would be completely wiped out if they did get critically ill and, yes, I am subsidizing those folks. This bill is not a panacea for everyone, but it is a start in the right direction in getting folks adequate health care at a more reasonable cost. Keeping things the way they are now is not acceptable.

Edit: I do think that you should be able to opt out without penalty, though.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/19/10 08:43 AM

But that is socialism!!!!! laugh
Posted by: Jim_

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/19/10 09:01 AM

Originally Posted By: MacBozo
This bill is not a panacea for everyone, but it is a start in the right direction in getting folks adequate health care at a more reasonable cost.
I don't see where that reasoning comes from. Your health care expenses will not fall. If they do it will be because we're paying more taxes to subsidize it, so it will be a wash if we're lucky.

The big pharma and insurance companies just see a bigger deeper well to dip from, so it will do nothing to bring down the cost of health care, it will make it worse, wait and see. Until they rein them in nothing will change. All of this effort should be going towards that goal, but that change would be stepping on too many toes and require real leadership, not this dog and pony popularity show for votes this fall that we have going on now.
Posted by: MikeSellers

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/19/10 09:17 AM

Originally Posted By: MacBozo
So, what happens if you have a catastrophic accident or illness? Do you have the 100s of thousands of dollars saved up for that?


Yep, that's where a lot of our inflated premiums come from. The emergency rooms are filled with people with no insurance who never planned to have a catastrophic illness or accident. I could say I never plan to have a car accident but I don't think they'll drop the requirement that I have insurance.
Posted by: garyW

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/19/10 10:02 AM

So you don't have insurance at all? Rather than have you depend on an emergency room you'll now have a federally-funded community clinic you can go to free of cost or you can buy a full policy from the provider of your choice with a cap on the premium you will pay.

Here's the bill's credit cap/income chart:



If you're at the bottom of the chart you pay less than $30/mo. to insure a family of 4. If you're at the high end of that chart you pay a several hundred dollars a month, and I bet that's way better than anything you can get now.

If you make more than $88,000/yr there are tax credits that will apply too.

The mandates exist because if insurance companies are regulated that they cannot deny coverage, and pre-existing conditions won't matter ... people will game the system and only buy insurance when they are already sick and need immediate care. If everyone buys in at some price level then the system works and taxes aren't levied to support the subsidies. When everybody buys in the government regulates that premiums stay low. That's the real "government controlled healthcare" in the bill that the GOP doesn't like.


edit: Did you see the Countdown reports from the free-clinics they raised money for? Each clinic saw 1000's of people who had medical needs but hadn't seen a doctor in years (or ever). Each of those clinics cost several $100Ks to sponsor. People lined up for days to get in. Lives were saved by treating easily preventable problems.

Thanks to Bernie Sanders and Obama the two bills allocate $23Billion to community clinics for the next 5 years for people at risk or too poor. Think about it.


Posted by: DLC

The Mandate . . - 03/19/10 10:24 AM

I honestly do NOT understand the nay-sayers argument.
"WELL the Gove-ment" is forcing me to get insurance!! mad"

Yeah if you drive a car, they require you to get car Insurance !

"Well that's the state not the Federal Gove-ment !"

SO WHAT !? WTF does that matter WHO it is, you still have to get it !

Is it fair to let people have a wreck and then buy car insurance ? Oh that'd be fine !

OR as their house burns down or is washed away and then they buy home owners insurance?

Come ON ! How stupid is that argument ?

That's what they're asking, if they feel like they're being made to buy health insurance.... Oh I'll just wait until I need it ! blush That's just so Palinesque !! wink
Posted by: carp

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/19/10 11:11 PM

I am starting to change my mind about to the no side <-- Once I heard that if you don't have medical insurance you will be fined something like 900 bucks ? Much like car insurance , if you don't have one it is a fine PLUS its a Jail-able offense <-- is that where we are going with this ? ? This alone turned me off .

The plan started off great - I guess to many whacky changes later ?

I would like ;
A list you can choose from for yourself and from an employer . Currently here the employer has only 1 plan . My last one was Blue Cross , my new one has HMSA only.
Posted by: carp

Re: The Mandate . . - 03/19/10 11:23 PM

Quote:
SO WHAT !? WTF does that matter WHO it is, you still have to get it !


Dave

The problem is that many people are in that in between poverty brackets .

Example myself when I was out of work .

1 - I could not afford the COBRA plan at 550 a month <- being out of work with the ridiculous small UI payment

2 - I could not qualify for State or Federal assistance of any kind

3 - I could not even get a Federal Grant for College <-- they offered me a Student loan to pay back , instead . <-- freaking idiots , I am out of work and cannot pay back anything

Simply there are people who do fall in between the cracks , Like me
Posted by: garyW

Re: The Mandate . . - 03/20/10 10:24 AM

Your examples of when you were out of work are the problems that the legislation plans to fix.

Exactly what is it about the tax credit & low income subsidies and hardship allowances in the legislation that are completely invisible to you? Rather than pay $550/mo. for COBRA policy you might have to only pay $37/mo for the same coverage. I posted the chart with the numbers that fit your income.

Go to jail? $900 fine? Really, please show me where that is in in the bill? The penalties are reflected in your tax filing. You fail to pay your taxes and you could be penalized and possibly sent to jail ...


Included in the Senate reconciliation bill as proposed by the President

Quote:
Improve Individual Responsibility.

All Americans should have affordable health insurance coverage. This helps everyone, both insured and uninsured, by reducing cost shifting, where people with insurance end up covering the inevitable health care costs of the uninsured, and making possible robust health insurance reforms that will curb insurance company abuses and increase the security and stability of health insurance for all Americans.

The House and Senate bills require individuals who have affordable options but who choose to remain uninsured to make a payment to offset the cost of care they will inevitably need. The House bill’s payment is a percentage of income. The Senate sets the payment as a flat dollar amount or percentage of income, whichever is higher (although not higher than the lowest premium in the area). Both the House and Senate bill provide a low-income exemption, for those individuals with incomes below the tax filing threshold (House) or below the poverty threshold (Senate).The Senate also includes a “hardship” exemption for people who cannot afford insurance, included in the President’s Proposal. It protects those who would face premiums of more than 8 percent of their income from having to pay any assessment and they can purchase a low-cost catastrophic plan in the exchange if they choose. The President’s Proposal adopts the Senate approach but lowers the flat dollar assessments, and raises the percent of income assessment that individuals pay if they choose not to become insured. Specifically, it lowers the flat dollar amounts from $495 to $325 in 2015 and $750 to $695 in 2016. Subsequent years are indexed to $695 rather than $750, so the flat dollar amounts in later years are lower than the Senate bill as well. The President’s Proposal raises the percent of income that is an alternative payment amount from 0.5 to 1.0% in 2014, 1.0 to 2.0% in 2015, and 2.0 to 2.5% for 2016 and subsequent years – the same percent of income as in the House bill, which makes the assessment more progressive. For ease of administration, the President’s Proposal changes the payment exemption from the Senate policy (individuals with income below the poverty threshold) to individuals with income below the tax filing threshold (the House policy). In other words, a married couple with income below $18,700 will not have to pay the assessment. The President’s Proposal also adopts the Senate’s “hardship” exemption.


Posted by: carp

Re: The Mandate . . - 03/20/10 05:38 PM

Quote:
Go to jail? $900 fine? Really, please show me where that is in in the bill? The penalties are reflected in your tax filing.


I mentioned above about car insurance is a jail-able offense here - I mentioned that this health care bill has a 900 buck fine for those who do not have health insurance , just heard that again on CNN today . <-- I mentioned like car insurance will this end up later as also being a jail-able offense ? After all car insurance was at one time mandatory , some years , later became an jail-able offense
Posted by: garyW

Re: The Mandate . . - 03/20/10 06:17 PM

"- I mentioned that this health care bill has a 900 buck fine for those who do not have health insurance , just heard that again on CNN today ." <<<------ WRONG


What you probably heard was that Massachusetts' state Romneycare health coverage mandate had up to $900 penalties from 2008.

Obamacare will kill your grandma, steal your freedoms and make you subservient to Mao ... but the mandate penalties are adjusted to your income and come in the form of tax withholdings.

Posted by: carp

Re: The Mandate . . - 03/20/10 07:02 PM

Well
Its just not CNN , I been hearing that over the radio news locally as well - So maybe this Romneycare is only what you hear ? ?

I dunno , but when I start hearing the same thing from different sources , there maybe some truth to that . Your the only one so far that disputes that laugh Your out gunned sorry .
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: The Mandate . . - 02/29/12 05:35 AM

Woah.. posts with GaryW and Celandine... my world's a spinnin'!
Posted by: Jim_

Re: The Mandate . . - 02/29/12 05:52 AM

Originally Posted By: NucleusG4
Woah.. posts with GaryW and Celandine... my world's a spinnin'!
?????

Why did you dig these old threads up? crazy
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: The Mandate . . - 02/29/12 06:18 AM

I didn't.. they were here at the top of the list this morning....
Posted by: Jim_

Re: The Mandate . . - 02/29/12 06:34 AM

Originally Posted By: NucleusG4
I didn't.. they were here at the top of the list this morning....
I see what happened. You had this forum sorted by Subject instead of Posted. You accidentally clicked Subject at the top of this forum. smile
Posted by: musicalmarv7

Re: "It's a slippery slope to Universal Health Ca - 03/01/12 03:09 AM

That is plain robbery on your dentist's prices. These prices have to be controlled once and for all by the HHS perhaps and some of this should be covered by the insurance provider.We really still do not have a good health plan in this country.
Posted by: musicalmarv7

Re: The Mandate . . - 05/04/12 03:51 AM

What really happens if you have a heart attack or worse and you have no insurance at all? You have no money to pay either where do you go from there?
Posted by: DLC

Re: The Mandate . . - 05/04/12 04:36 AM

You go to a community indigent hospital and the rest of us pay for it ! Even the more affluent hospitals can't turn you away- they have to stabilize you first- and then they can send you to the local "community" hospital. In Atlanta, that's Grady. Bottom line - they can't let you die.

SO we ALL pay for it, why not make it direct & transparent, and save $800 billion the Insurance companies suck out of the system like a giant leech !! mad

That $800 Billion doesn't cure 1 disease, save 1 patient, alleviate any suffering from medical conditions- it's all just Profit for those living off the misery of others. How about make Medicare Universal ??