The train keeps chugging down the track.

Posted by: Leslie

The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/04/10 04:29 PM

MEXICO CITY - Gay couples lined up in the Mexican capital Thursday to get a date to tie the knot as the city becomes the first in mostly Catholic and typically macho Latin America to allow same-sex marriage.

The law, now in effect after being approved by the city's mainly left-wing legislature in December, goes beyond current law allowing same-sex civil unions to give gay couples the same marriage rights as straight couples, including adoption.
Posted by: DLC

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/04/10 05:55 PM

Geez a socialist, commie, godless country ! wink

that's embarassing to the US (they have a more enlightend policy )... they did the right thing . . Viva Mexico !

we can even get past "Don't ask, don't tell !" crazy
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/04/10 10:11 PM

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give gay couples the same marriage rights as straight couples, including adoption.

That's not a very good idea because fathers and mothers offer different benefits to children.

km
Posted by: Jim_

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/04/10 10:14 PM

Originally Posted By: DLC
Geez a socialist, commie, godless country ! wink

that's embarassing to the US (they have a more enlightend policy )... they did the right thing . . Viva Mexico !

we can even get past "Don't ask, don't tell !" crazy

Yeah, Mexico is a model country. LOL.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/03/04/mexico.spring.break/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/02/25/us.mexico.consulate/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/02/09/mexico.juarez.mayor/index.html
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 03:53 AM

Oh good gawd! Are you gonna start that bigoted crap again?


Stupid question. Of course you are.
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 06:36 AM

The drug violence in Mexico is a direct result of demand for drugs right over the border--plus, of course, the export of lots and lots of guns from the US. Stop the demand over here, control the illegal trade in guns over here--and things might be very different. Or, even better, make certain kinds of drug use legal here . . . . smile
Posted by: VarmintBlubber

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 07:07 AM

Yep. Mexico's drug problems and the deeply endemic drug culture in the nations above them are inextricably linked.
Posted by: Clark

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 07:31 AM

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We are so stuck on healthcare reform, it feels like nothing else can be tackled.
I'm not saying that healthcare reform isn't important but...

I thought DOMA would be repealed by now.
I was surprised to see gay statesmen Barney Frank and John Berry believe it will be quicker to overturn DOMA through constitutionality lawsuits rather than trying to overturn it via congress.
There are three strong lawsuits going on right now that may provide that overturn.
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Posted by: Clark

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 07:40 AM

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I'll say this for you, KM, you are both predictable and consistent.
I would have been disappointed to not see you in this thread.
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Posted by: DLC

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 07:56 AM

Originally Posted By: Reboot
Originally Posted By: DLC
Geez a socialist, commie, godless country ! wink

that's embarassing to the US (they have a more enlightend policy )... they did the right thing . . Viva Mexico !

we can even get past "Don't ask, don't tell !" crazy

Yeah, Mexico is a model country. LOL.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/03/04/mexico.spring.break/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/02/25/us.mexico.consulate/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/02/09/mexico.juarez.mayor/index.html


I was only referring to this single issue, not the whole enchilada ! wink

They're awful as far as govt. corruption, drug violence (but we share the blame), and human rights issues, environmental issues, work place safety, etc.
Posted by: Clark

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 07:57 AM

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"Or, even better, make certain kinds of drug use legal here...."

Yep, the drug problem in the US is so bad I don't see any way around it.

As you say, we are supplying them with lots and lots of guns.
They are hiring US citizens as hit men.
So many people commit stupid and senseless crimes because they are on drugs.
It's beyond belief bad.

I had a construction worker take a few hundred dollars and my debit card from my house.
Right after he left, I knew what he had done.
They caught him right away. He is in jail and he lost his job.
All for a few hundred dollars.
Why? He needed the money right now for drugs.
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Posted by: garyW

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 08:45 AM

Originally Posted By: DLC
Originally Posted By: Reboot
Originally Posted By: DLC
Geez a socialist, commie, godless country ! wink

that's embarassing to the US (they have a more enlightend policy )... they did the right thing . . Viva Mexico !

we can even get past "Don't ask, don't tell !" crazy

Yeah, Mexico is a model country. LOL.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/03/04/mexico.spring.break/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/02/25/us.mexico.consulate/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/02/09/mexico.juarez.mayor/index.html


I was only referring to this single issue, not the whole enchilada ! wink

They're awful as far as govt. corruption, drug violence (but we share the blame), and human rights issues, environmental issues, work place safety, etc.



Mexico's real problem is the violent Monogamous Gay Drug Cartel ... who knew??! laugh





Posted by: Leslie

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 09:25 AM

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That's not a very good idea because fathers and mothers offer different benefits to children.


Been there, done that.

Posted by: Leslie

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 09:26 AM

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give gay couples the same marriage rights as straight couples, including adoption.


This is a great idea because two loving parents offer different benefits to children.
Posted by: Leslie

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 09:56 AM

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The Vatican has been thrown into chaos by reports that one of the Pope's ceremonial ushers, as well as a member of the elite Vatican choir, were involved in a homosexual prostitution ring.


OMG - now we have infiltrated the Vatican. shocked
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 11:58 AM

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two loving parents offer different benefits to children.

Yeah, but within a narrower range. smirk

km
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 12:01 PM

You should know from narrow.
Posted by: Leslie

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 12:19 PM

Originally Posted By: keymaker
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two loving parents offer different benefits to children.

Yeah, but within a narrower range. smirk

km



“The only experts about what it’s like to have LGBTQ parents are those who have them,” said Meredith Fenton, a Jewish resident of Oakland and the daughter of two lesbians.

km, is there something you would like to tell us?
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 12:29 PM

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is there something you would like to tell us?

Only what you already know... that zealots who argue for lopsided parenting purely to pursue an agenda do a disservice to children by putting them at a potential disadvantage.

km
Posted by: Leslie

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 12:33 PM

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that zealots who argue for lopsided parenting purely to pursue an agenda do a disservice to children by putting them at a potential disadvantage.


Perhaps you missed it - these are the children talking not the zealots living in your mind.
Posted by: Leslie

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 12:48 PM

As this article suggests, "you can lay your mind at rest", because your angst does you no good.

www.sexualityandu.ca/parents/talk-7.aspx
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 01:08 PM

No well that's what I meant by zealotry... the site is obviously pursuing an agenda because it's making uncorroborated grand assertions that happen to be contradicted by real science.

km
Posted by: Leslie

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 01:47 PM

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the site is obviously pursuing an agenda

Indeed, Trayce Hanson is very guilty of this.


http://godscrazy.blogspot.com/2007/10/she-blinded-me-with-science-or-how-i.html

Posted by: Leslie

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 01:48 PM

Oh yeah, and I love how he calls it soft science and you call it real science.
Posted by: Clark

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 02:19 PM

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Good article.
I especially like this part: "Normally I wouldn’t give any credence to such a clearly biased opinion piece, but after checking on the source, and reading her other writings, I have concluded that it is only a matter of time before we see this woman on Fox News, being touted by Rick Sanchez as an “expert.” Another in a long line of people who are to scared or stupid to say what they really think, so they take a position they believe to be held by the majority of society."
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Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 02:22 PM

Well science often starts off soft and then hardens up as data builds up... soft and hard science however are boith more important than nil science. laugh That other link of yours was another campaigning agenda reference by the way.

km
Posted by: Leslie

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 02:39 PM

Nil science is how zealot Trayce Hanson makes her living.

Here is a real scientist discussing your favourite "Love Isn't Enough: 5 Reasons Why Same-Sex Marriage Will Harm Children." article by T.H.

http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/18/...e-and-children/

I am totally bored with Trayce Hanson - you will need to find another golden calf to "validate" your homophobia.
Posted by: newkojak

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 02:44 PM

Are you really talking about your penis, again?!
Posted by: VarmintBlubber

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 02:54 PM

He is. Incredibly, he is.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 03:33 PM

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you will need to find another golden calf to "validate" your homophobia.

Homophobia? Oh alright then, bigoted child abuser...

km
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 03:34 PM

Can you possibly be a bigger ass hat? They're gonna put your bones in the Museum of Unnatural History with a plaque that says BIGOTUS GIGANTICUS. And all the kids will stare at it and then have nightmares for months after.
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 03:38 PM

Nothing lives in km's mind. In fact, it's where good things go to die.
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 03:40 PM

And YOU aren't pursuing an agenda? An intolerant, homophobic, ignorant-by-choice agenda?
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 03:43 PM

And he's talking with his mouth full of it! How rude. eek
Posted by: Clark

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 04:00 PM

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And your "Same-Sex Parenting: Creating a Strong Family Life as a Gay Couple" article was better.
I am keeping a copy of it in my files.
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Posted by: Leslie

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 04:49 PM

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Homophobia? Oh alright then, bigoted child abuser...


Now that's better. Say what you really feel, it garners respect. You are too smart to ride on the coattails T.H..
Posted by: Leslie

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 04:51 PM

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In fact, it's where good things go to die.

laugh
Posted by: Leslie

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 04:51 PM

I thought so too.
Thanks Clark.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 09:20 PM

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And YOU aren't pursuing an agenda?

No, I'm completely neutral, assessing the merits of competing arguments.

km
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/05/10 09:25 PM

Actually it's not what I really feel - I was just demonstrating the same intolerance as you normally do in the hope you might learn something from it.

km

Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 04:59 AM

You're "argument" has zero merit. Your "sources" are carefully cherry-picked based on a convenient alignment with your bigoted, homophobic, imperialistic, self-insulated, POV.

If heterosexual parents are so much more effective than same-sex parents, WTF happened to you?
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 05:02 AM

Originally Posted By: keymaker
No well that's what I meant by zealotry... the site is obviously pursuing an agenda because it's making uncorroborated grand assertions that happen to be contradicted by real science.

km


You're right to point out the cherry picking on both sides of the argument.

However, I'd offer this: Being repressed your entire life because you are afraid of your bigoted straight parents is unhealty and a bad thing. I personally know people who have gone to the extent of getting married and having children for that very reason. Only now, you've not only hurt yourself... but there are others involved simply because you were terrified to say you were gay.

There are plenty of heterosexual kids raised by homosexual parents. The homosexual kids would have been so anyway, except they're not pressured like they would have been with "straight" parents.
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 05:08 AM

Funny in a sad way. sick
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 05:10 AM

A logical point, but lost on the Poster Boy.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 05:17 AM

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The homosexual kids would have been so anyway

No that's not quite right because homosexuality is the result of emotionally remote parenting by the father in the child's infancy or in some cases by the exercise of choice by the subject.

km
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 05:35 AM

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You're "argument" has zero merit.

No I cleared that up in a previous thread... parents of both sexes provide the best balance for children.

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Your "sources" are carefully cherry-picked...

Makes no difference either way - your job is to discuss the merits.

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a convenient alignment with your bigoted, homophobic, imperialistic, self-insulated, POV.

No open minded, unaffected, common sense viewpoint that most parents regard as pretty damn obvious - that children are generally better off with their own parents or where that's not possible with adopted parents of both sexes. Your bigoted and callous disregard for what's really best for our most vulnerable children is there for all to see.

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If heterosexual parents are so much more effective than same-sex parents, WTF happened to you?

What do you mean?

km
Posted by: VarmintBlubber

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 05:49 AM

You are completely neutral within your own cranium, and outside that comfy little vessel, we're all happy for you.... in a strictly neutral way, natch.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 06:07 AM

No, just neutral... published biographies of me by the forum's best known bigots are all complete fiction.

km
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 07:05 AM

Originally Posted By: keymaker
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The homosexual kids would have been so anyway

No that's not quite right because homosexuality is the result of emotionally remote parenting by the father in the child's infancy or in some cases by the exercise of choice by the subject.

km


No, that's not quite right as homosexuality is normal and even beneficial behavior throughout the animal kingdom.

Arguing homosexuality is the result of something is the very reason label you a bigot. Doing so implies there is something wrong with homosexuality, which of course there isn't.
Posted by: Lea

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 07:25 AM




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Disclaimer: My brother was gay, but I know, for certain, that I'd agree with you completely, Sarge, even if we'd never been blessed with him in our lives.

smile
LL



Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 07:48 AM

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homosexuality is normal...

Well it's not that normal - it's quite unusual actually... if it was that normal it would be running at 50 per cent - your challenge is to work out why it's only about 3 per cent because some know why and some don't.

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even beneficial behavior throughout the animal kingdom.

Not particularly... in humans it's detrimental.

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Arguing homosexuality is the result of something is the very reason label you a bigot.

Yeah, but happens to be the reason why they're bigots because their position is biased and doctrinaire - it's quite obviously the result of something.

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Doing so implies there is something wrong with homosexuality, which of course there isn't.

No I'm not saying that... not on the part of the subject himself - that would be a ridiculous assertion because in most cases the influences occur in infancy.

km
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 07:52 AM

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the forum's best known bigots
Then you must mean autobiographies. Which, insofar as your denial of homophobia is concerned, are indeed fictional.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 08:11 AM

Too predictable... you were definitely within the named class.

km
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 08:49 AM

About 7:15 into this video Christopher Hitchens gives good instructions to the divinity that shapes our ends, whether nook and cranny or protuberance: http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid68015964001?bclid=0&bctid=69991954001

edit: thanks to 6-of-1 for the original link.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 09:09 AM

Well, the whole thing assumes that Moses was a messenger of God and that Hitchens knows even more than Him when, in fact, apart from #4 of his revised Commandments, there's very little reason to believe he knows enough. grin

km
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 09:20 AM

Your sophomoric and over-used I know you are but what am I only underscores the desperation of your denial. The only thing missing is Nya nya nya. Really impressive.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 09:23 AM

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your denial

Denial? Of what?

km
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 09:32 AM

LOL. Dude, you are the Poster Child for the new 5, 6, and 7! YES!
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 09:35 AM

Posted by: Clark

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 09:36 AM

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Thank you.
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Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 09:48 AM

Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 09:50 AM

Thank you for what? Posting in the wrong thread?

km
Posted by: Clark

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 12:16 PM

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I enjoyed his video.
As far as posting in the wrong thread, talk to him about that.
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Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 12:21 PM

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I liked his video.

What, all of it?

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As far as posting in the wrong thread, talk to him about that.

What for?

km
Posted by: Clark

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 12:59 PM

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"What, all of it?"

Yes
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Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 01:04 PM

I didn't think much of it for the reasons I explained... what in particular did you like about it?

km
Posted by: Clark

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 01:14 PM

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Nothing much to read into it, KM, I enjoyed the whole thing.
I like things that are anti-religion and well thought out, sort of like your buddy, Richard Dawkins.

Okay? Carry-on.
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Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 02:46 PM

Any thread you're rabbiting on in is a wrong thread.
Posted by: VarmintBlubber

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 05:38 PM

Km, clearly it's getting stuffy in that cranium of yours. Any chance of you getting wise enough to air it out any time soon? Just asking. Maybe it's the waistcoat thing again... cinched up so tight the blood supply is being sadly throttled? Ditch them barristurd threads and get outside, lad!
Posted by: Leslie

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 06:10 PM

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homosexuality is the result of emotionally remote parenting by the father in the child's infancy


So, no parenting by a father, as in the case of an all to high percentage of single mothers, would mean all those children grow up homosexual?
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 07:09 PM

Good grief, Leslie! You may have just stumbled upon the cause of... *melodramatic creepy music * THE GAY! Oh, the humanity... eek
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 07:12 PM

OMFG! shocked Max, you don't suppose it's not a waistcoat, but rather a flirty little A-line skirt? Oh. Ohhhhhh. No! Do you think..? blush
Posted by: VarmintBlubber

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 08:16 PM

I think Km has some 'splaining to do, Steve. But I won't hold my breath. I do have to wonder why he's so obsessed with "the gay" though. Seems to be symptomatic of some deeper fissures in his "neutral" character.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/06/10 11:36 PM

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Maybe it's the waistcoat thing again...

Waistcoat? I prefer double-breasted.

km
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 12:03 AM

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I think Km has some 'splaining to do, Steve.

Trying to feed the biography won't work because I've already explained that it's a work of fiction. sick

Nope, I'm afraid the time has come to face up to objective weaknesses in the gay activists cause such as its rejection of accepted science, it's association with unnatural and criminal behaviour, the distortion of values with regard to procreation and child welfare and the misery it causes to those affected, rather than continuing to personalise the discussion and attack the messenger.

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I do have to wonder why he's so obsessed with "the gay" though. Seems to be symptomatic of some deeper fissures in his "neutral" character.

Oh I get it, anyone posting a viewpoint that chimes with yours has a passing interest in the subject but anyone offering one at variance with yours is obsessed. If people keep repeating the same mistakes, why should I not continue to correct them?

km
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 04:30 AM

Nope, I'm afraid the time has come for you to admit your homophobia. Or come out of the closet.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 04:47 AM

You're in no position to spread lies about homophobia when you're the only person here who's ever been cautioned by the mods for it, quite rightly in my opinion.

km
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 05:01 AM

"Quite rightly" in what masquerades as your imagination. I've never been cautioned. Not by the Mods. Not by any other member. Not by anyone. Any lessening in the frequency or intensity of my spotlighting your homophobia has been purely voluntary. Some days I choose to let it ride. Some days I do not. And there would seem to be a noticeable number here who share my view — quite rightly in my opinion.

Deal with it.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 06:00 AM

Yeah, you got told off by Jim for that sequence of homophobic innuendo extracted from that fictional biography you've been working on.

km
Posted by: VarmintBlubber

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 07:36 AM

That darned waistcoat is cinched even tighter, I see. I can see the red in your face from here! Cut it off before it finishes you, man!
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 07:38 AM

That double breasted suit is so very like a strait waistcoat, ain't it? smile
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 07:53 AM

No, that's not true at all. You seem to have been taken in by that FactsJustForYou.com scam.

The fact is, I offered — proactively — to tone it down a bit. But I've since reconsidered. While others may choose to engage in fruitless debate with you, I choose call a spade a spade — because to be perfectly honest — you really piss me off. And while we're on the subject of facts, I'm not hiding behind innuendo. You. Are. Homophobic.
Posted by: Jim_

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 08:26 AM

Originally Posted By: keymaker
Yeah, you got told off by Jim for that sequence of homophobic innuendo extracted from that fictional biography you've been working on.
LOL. I have to step in here.

WTF?
Posted by: VarmintBlubber

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 08:49 AM

Km is sounding a tad delusional lately... mind you, in a neutral way of course.
Posted by: Leslie

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 09:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Leslie
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homosexuality is the result of emotionally remote parenting by the father in the child's infancy


So, no parenting by a father, as in the case of an all to high percentage of single mothers, would mean all those children grow up homosexual?



km, I missed your answer to this question.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 09:10 AM

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The fact is, I offered — proactively — to tone it down a bit.

Homophobic attitudes such as those you've exhibited on this forum are objectionable whether they're toned up or down and I would remind you that your volume control has no effect on what you've already posted.

km
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 09:19 AM

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homosexuality is the result of emotionally remote parenting by the father in the child's infancy

So, no parenting by a father, as in the case of an all to high percentage of single mothers, would mean all those children grow up homosexual?

No, that's too simplistic because it takes no account of other factors such as predisposition and compensation.

km
Posted by: Leslie

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 09:23 AM

Good.
So, predisposition to what, and compensation for what?
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 09:31 AM

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WTF?

Well, he promised you to tone it down a bit.

km
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 09:44 AM

Predisposition to homosexuality which plays a 20 per cent role, as against 80 per cent environmental, and compensation for paternal affection.

km
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 09:48 AM

Quote:
I'm not hiding behind innuendo. You. Are. Homophobic.

No, you've demonstrated homophobia... what I've done is offered abstract arguments on the subject.

km
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 09:52 AM

Quote:
Km is sounding a tad delusional lately

Not really - he admitted it on 31 December 2009... jumping on the bandwagon of someone repeatedly proved wrong is not up to your usual standard of post, Max.

km
Posted by: VarmintBlubber

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 09:52 AM

KM, are you the way you are because of paternal affliction? Just curious. It might explain some things, you see.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 09:54 AM

Affliction? No - what a strange question.

km
Posted by: Leslie

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 09:57 AM

Quote:
Predisposition to homosexuality which plays a 20 per cent role, as against 80 per cent environmental, and compensation for paternal affection.


I've looked but cannot find any work that corroborates this statement. Where are you getting these numbers?
Posted by: VarmintBlubber

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 10:00 AM

He's inventing them. But since they're being issued by him, they're golden. Do not question them!
Posted by: Leslie

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 10:04 AM

Golden, indeed.
Posted by: Lea

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 10:26 AM


Your earlier post directed to steve ~

Quote:
Yeah, you got told off by Jim for that sequence of homophobic innuendo extracted from that fictional biography you've been working on.


Reboot called you on your lie. And your response ~

Quote:
Well, he [steve] promised you to tone it down a bit.


*snicker*


"Well, she turned me into a newt!"

"A newt? "

"Well . . . I got better."



xxxxxxxxx





Posted by: VarmintBlubber

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 10:42 AM

Methinks our Km has confused himself with the Emperor. Both wear no clothes... and they're parading themselves!
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 11:09 AM

Findings of Dr Francis Collins Human Genome Project.

km
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 11:11 AM

Make your mind up, what about the alleged waistcoat?

km
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 11:14 AM



km
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 11:32 AM

Google fail

"The evidence we have at present strongly supports the proposition that there are hereditary factors in male homosexuality — the observation that an identical twin of a male homosexual has approximately a 20% likelihood of also being gay points to this conclusion, since that is 10 times the population incidence. But the fact that the answer is not 100% also suggests that other factors besides DNA must be involved. That certainly doesn’t imply, however, that those other undefined factors are inherently alterable."

You even got the doctor's name wrong =P
Posted by: Lea

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 11:32 AM



xxxxxxx

What. Ever. Your posts are what they are.

And you, sir, are obviously not man enough to admit you're wrong, apologize to Jim for misrepresenting his involvement in this latest circle jerk and then find the balls to laugh it off.





Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 11:37 AM

Wait a minute. I thought I was "Heterophobic". You need to make up your mind, old chap.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 11:38 AM



km
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 11:40 AM

Evidence, consiglieri. Show us how I've demonstrated homophobia. Put up or shut up.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 11:51 AM

Quote:
I thought I was "Heterophobic"

Everyone seems to be suffering from a short memory of my previous posts... you're both.

km
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 11:54 AM

You ARE delusional. What I said on 31 Dec., 2009 was:
Quote:
I promised Reboot I'd tone it down
Jim didn't solicit it, demand it, or even bring it up. That was me being proactive. But like I said, I've changed my mind.

As carp would say, <---Get it now?
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 11:56 AM

Quote:
Jim didn't solicit it, demand it, or even bring it up. That was me being proactive. But like I said, I've changed my mind.

Yeah, we believe you.

km
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 11:58 AM

More like: "Everyone seems to be suffering from a short memory of my previous posts" And the current ones, too.
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 11:59 AM

As well you should. And which is way more than we can say of you.
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 12:00 PM

By Jove, I think he's got it!
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 12:03 PM

Thanks, I've corrected the name.

km
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 12:05 PM

Quote:
And the current ones, too.

Pay attention then, and take notes or something.

km
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 12:17 PM

Quote:
Show us how I've demonstrated homophobia

Short memory? Homophobia looks like this:

"Just don't tell him Jack Daniels® is Gay."

"Who cares what one's sexual orientation is, or why?.... Ok, so we know one person who does"

"Most of us left I know you are but what am I? back in the 3rd grade. What happened to you?"

"But welcomed it back recently because you thought if it worked for you when you were a wee tyke, why not now?"

"Some can play dumb and get away with it. Not you, though."

"If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck... "


Seem familiar? That tirade was all in the space of 24 hours and I would point out, incidentally, that the innuendo is all made up and completely wrong. As I said before I'm calling you homophobic because you've demonstrated that you are... if you want to make the same accusation of me - back it up objectively, or shut up.

km
Posted by: Lea

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 12:40 PM



That you aren't man enough to actually address your misrepresentation, even though it's right there for all of us to read ~ It only reinforces the negative impression that you've made on a lot of us here.



Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 12:48 PM

I know! Why don't we all make a promise to Jim? We could have an unsolicited promise to Jim thread? laugh

km

Posted by: Lea

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 12:55 PM


Your posts stand. You lied. You can get every last word in from now till End Days, but you simply got caught flat footed, doing something surprisingly clumsy and stupid.

You won't admit it. Or, we say down here ~ You won't man up to your own mistake.

Pfffft, don't worry about it. It's not like you've suddenly lost a lot of respect around here.



Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 01:03 PM

Quote:
You lied

Noope... you're just gullible.

km
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 01:10 PM

Oh righty-o, Sherlock. Those sure are homophobic remarks. Yup, you busted me. Not.

Maybe you should link to those posts, honey, so we can all be reminded of the context, and re-read your overt anti-gay screed that prompted those posts. You know, like where you support "intervention counseling", or where you repeatedly claim that children raised by same-sex couples are lacking the advantages of heterosexual parenting. And that's just a few in your long litany of homophobic remarks. You accusing anyone else of being homophobic is like me accusing others of being short!

You're losing it, km. Around the bend. Off the wall. Too many fries short of a Happy Meal®.
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 01:14 PM

Oh, km, doesn't it just suck when half the world has your number — and the other half doesn't want it?
Posted by: VarmintBlubber

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 01:21 PM

Km: was waiting for you to point that out... I refer to the malevolent mental garb wrapped 'round yer melon from within... the binding of your mind, rendering you blind.

Silly boy!
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 01:27 PM

Then, VB, I believe that would be a wastecoat. grin
Posted by: VarmintBlubber

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 01:30 PM

Indeed. My mistake!

Just a thought... now that's something the Waistcoated One would never confess to: a mistake. He must be incapable of making one!
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 01:33 PM

Quote:
Those sure are homophobic remarks

Exactly so... which is why you promised Jim to tone it down - but you can't tone down your character, that's permanent.

Quote:
Maybe you should link to those posts

Your link didn't work... it's just an underline.

Quote:
honey

Honey?

Quote:
so we can all be reminded of the context, and re-read your overt anti-gay screed that prompted those posts. You know, like where you support "intervention counseling"

Intervention? What I said was that persons seeking help should have it - rather than denied it by persons with a bigoted agenda.

Quote:
you repeatedly claim that children raised by same-sex couples are lacking the advantages of heterosexual parenting.

There's no doubt about that in terms of policy... that's called 'thinking about the interests of children instead of adopting a bigoted one-track mind approach for a class of adults'.

Quote:
And that's just a few in your long litany of homophobic remarks.

Nothing there whatsoever... you're homophobic because you attack individuals with lies and innuendo about their sexuality. Discussing the subject in the abstract is what's known as 'freedom of expression'.

km
Posted by: VarmintBlubber

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 01:43 PM

Hoo boy. Another lateral salvo from the Emperor.
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 01:45 PM

You realize you're not helping your case, right? Every keystroke you initiate is taking you farther and farther away from what credibility, respect, and sanity you may have once had. "Freedom of expression" is, in your case, "freedom from reality". Good luck with that, honey.
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 01:49 PM

OMG! I never thought of it that way. Ok, so I never thought of it, period. grin
But you may be on to something. The man is always right. Of course! *smacks self on forehead*
Posted by: Lea

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 01:50 PM


KM to steve 8:00 AM today (Saturday) ~
"Yeah, you got told off by Jim for that sequence of homophobic innuendo extracted from that fictional biography you've been working on.
km
("Well, she turned me into a newt!")


Reboot to KM, 8:26 AM, today (Saturday) ~
"LOL. I have to step in here. WTF " ("A newt? ")



KM to Reboot, 11:31 AM, today (Saturday) ~
"Well, he [steve] promised you to tone it down a bit.
km"
("Well . . . I got better.")


xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 01:59 PM



km
Posted by: VarmintBlubber

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 02:07 PM

I like it better when you only post pics, Km. Such a relief from the web of evasions, denials, corrections, niggling notes, not really's and other barristrocious blather.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 02:09 PM

Yeah, I thought my observations would hit home.

km
Posted by: Lea

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 02:12 PM



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Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 02:21 PM

Quote:
barristrocious blather


Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 02:23 PM

Unfortunately, it was your home.
Posted by: newkojak

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 02:44 PM

Will you stop posting about your penis?!
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 02:49 PM

I'm confused, NK . . . I thought it was his brain that was in the too-strait waistcoat.
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 02:51 PM

Dood, a head is a head is a head. Let's not get picky now. blush
Posted by: VarmintBlubber

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 02:58 PM

Km, it's not too late too shed the tattered, clingy waistcoat and become a changed man. I have faith in ya, brudda!
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 03:47 PM

Too vulgar... discussion forums should have taste, in my opinion.

km
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 03:50 PM

This from the sap that sours just about every discussion he takes part in. Oh the irony.
Posted by: Leslie

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 03:55 PM

No vulgarity here, however, km, you might want to cover your eyes nonetheless.

Study: Same-sex couples just as good, if not better, at parenting

Parenting by same-sex families is just as good -- if not slightly advantageous -- for children when compared to heterosexual families, a Justice Department study has concluded.


BY OTTAWA CITIZENMAY 6, 2007BE THE FIRST TO POST A COMMENT


OTTAWA -- Parenting by same-sex families is just as good -- if not slightly advantageous -- for children when compared to heterosexual families, a Justice Department study has concluded.

Commissioned by the then-Liberal federal government in 2003 at the height of the same-sex marriage debate, the academic study was not released until recently when its main author, Professor Paul Hastings at Concordia University, obtained it by making a request using the Access to Information Act.

Hastings, with the assistance of research students, reached the study’s conclusion after reviewing existing research relating to the impact on children of being raised in different family types.

The report says the strongest conclusion that can be drawn from empirical literature is that the vast majority of studies show that children living with two mothers and children living with a mother and father have the same levels and qualities of social competence.

“A few studies suggest that children with two lesbian mothers may have marginally better social competence than children in ‘traditional nuclear’ families, even fewer studies show the opposite, and most studies fail to find any differences,” says the 74-page study.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 04:07 PM

Quote:
Parenting by same-sex families is just as good -- if not slightly advantageous

Yeah, and you believe it I suppose... "alright, give 'em up - we're rounding up all children in the care of their natural parents to give 'em over to same sex couples whom our studies show will be slightly better parents" - what a load o' crap - some people are so gullible.

km
Posted by: Lea

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 04:17 PM


Neither Les nor the article suggests "rounding up all children in care of their natural parents to give 'em over to same sex couples."

Why do you hate gays?

Posted by: yoyo52

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 04:17 PM

The point at issue here is not so much that being raised by gay parents leads to gay children, a highly mootable point despite your strait-jacketed assertions, but rather your judgment that being gay is at least unnatural (sorry folks . . . don't know what other word to use) and probably evil to boot. We know your judgment about being gay, and I think it's fair to say that you are hanging and twisting slowly, and increasingly by yourself, on that branch.
Posted by: DLC

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 04:21 PM

Man o Man... this place needs a semi load of Depends !!

Talk about a pissing match !! wink


laugh laugh laugh
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 04:29 PM

Thanks for writing a new chapter in your biography. Thanks for taking off your shirt so we can all see the homophobia oozing from your pores. And thanks for showing that there are no limits to how big an ass hat one person can be. It would be inspirational if it weren't so damned pitiable.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 04:32 PM

Quote:
Neither Les nor the article suggests "rounding up all children in care of their natural parents to give 'em over to same sex couples."

What, so they're in favour of second-rate parenting?

Quote:
Why do you hate gays?

Well, why do you invent a non-existent hatred?

km
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 04:32 PM

km could give Jenny Craig and NutriSystem® and the South Beach peeps quite the run for their money. Read just three of his posts per day, and eating will be the last thing on your mind. In fact, his diet would be zero binge/all purge. sick
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 04:35 PM

Quote:
so damned pitiable.

Speak for yourself.

km
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 04:38 PM

I am, honey. And I'm saying your damned pitiable.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 04:43 PM

Honey? That's a strange form of address...

km
Posted by: Leslie

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 04:43 PM

Quote:
second-rate parenting?


That is quite telling.

Really, why do you hate homosexuals?
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 04:53 PM

The proposition was that natural parents were second rate - it would help if you would try to keep up with the discussion.

km
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 04:57 PM

Well, you're a strange form yourself. And I suppose you wear a strange form of a dress, honey.
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 04:58 PM

As I read the post, a limited # of studies suggest that lesbian parents were marginally more effective; an even more limited # indicate that heterosexual parents are more effective; and most show no difference at all. The clip says nothing about two male parents. However, the conclusion one may reach is that there's no difference either way. You're jumping to your usual extreme, and as usual you make no sense.
Posted by: Lea

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 05:01 PM


"What, so they're in favour of second-rate parenting?"

You know that's not the case. And you have to know that kind of a response only erodes what respect some folks used to have for you.

Whatever.


Well, why do you invent a non-existent hatred?

I haven't invented anything. I am among the majority here who have read your posts over the past several years, and have come to believe that you are homophobic. Look, it's not like somebody called a meeting in some secret back room to discuss your personal tastes. Everybody who posts here presents themselves for what they are.

The majority of us believe that you are homophobic. We get it from your posts.







Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 05:08 PM

Quote:
a limited # of studies suggest that lesbian parents were marginally more effective;

Correct, the implication being that they should be given priority over a child's natural parents - unless of course you're in favour of second-rate parenting.

km
Posted by: scottyb

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 05:17 PM

Originally Posted By: keymaker
[quote]the implication being that they should be given priority over a child's natural parents
km


If you made that incorrect inference, that's your problem. I doubt anyone with a modicum of cognitive ability would have arrived at that conclusion.
Posted by: Lea

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 05:19 PM


What do you do for fun when you're not playing Mind Twist here? Let me guess. You move the chess pieces around on the board when the players are distracted? You re-set the numbers in an spreadsheet after the finals have been explained to the boss? You run back the mileage on your car and accuse you mechanic of driving it backwards to the local pub?



Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 05:21 PM

Quote:
If you made that incorrect inference...

The correct inference being what, exactly?

km
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 05:27 PM

Quote:
The majority of us believe that you are homophobic.

Majority? I'd be interested in the stats you have on that.

km
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 05:31 PM

The correct inference is clear: there's no difference either way.

In any case, the idea that a statistical study somehow defines how any particular child's experience will develop is just . . . silly. Of course, if you're really sure that kids raised by gay or lesbian parents are condemned to a life of despair, then perhaps you should be in favor of that as a kind of punishment for the parents--along the same lines of your reasoning in the other thread, that an eye lost deserves an taken.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 05:58 PM

Quote:
The correct inference is clear: there's no difference either way.

No, that's an incorrect inference... the claim was that same sex couples were as good "if not better, at parenting" and that such families were "slightly advantageous for children when compared to heterosexual families".

Quote:
the idea that a statistical study somehow defines how any particular child's experience will develop is . . .

I'm not talking about a particular child's experience but about policy... if lesbian couples make better parents they should as a matter of policy be given priority over hetero parents - unless of course you're in favour of second-rate parenting.

Quote:
Of course, if you're really sure that kids raised by gay or lesbian parents are condemned to a life of despair,

Why would I be sure of something entirely within your imagination?

Quote:
perhaps you should be in favor of that as a kind of punishment for the parents

You can leave me out of that... if you believe in punishing parents that's your look out - I happen to be a parent myself.

Quote:
your reasoning in the other thread, that an eye lost deserves an taken.

Whereabouts? I seem to remember correcting you on that not conceding it.

km
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 06:30 PM

Quote:
I happen to be a parent myself.
First or second rate?
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 06:50 PM

Quote:
Why would I be sure of something entirely within your imagination?
Because you've inferred as much more than once. Try to keep up with the conversation. 'K, honey.
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 06:54 PM

You don't really want to go there, do you? Not that you'd acknowledge the results. But if you really want a poll...
Posted by: Clark

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 08:08 PM

.
You were elected some kind of boss of this forum.
You should step in there and take control.
.
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 08:19 PM

Quote:
No, that's an incorrect inference... the claim was that same sex couples were as good "if not better, at parenting" and that such families were "slightly advantageous for children when compared to heterosexual families".


No, yours is the incorrect inference. The article expressly states that the differences are at most marginal and that different studies come to different marginal conclusions. The wording you quote is an inference much like the one you make, based on nothing at all.

Quote:
I'm not talking about a particular child's experience but about policy


And policy should be that each child has his or her own particular circumstances that are indefinable by some abstract statistical study. Having lived in a country where the government made decisions about how children should be raised, I know whereof I speak. Of course, you can challenge my experiences as much as you wish, and no doubt you will.

Quote:
Why would I be sure of something entirely within your imagination?


Is it my imagination that says that its a terrible thing for kids to be raised in a non-heterosexual household? That was your position--and if it isn't then we can stop this thread right here.

Quote:
if you believe in punishing parents that's your look out - I happen to be a parent myself


You are the one who makes the argument that retaliation in kind is perfectly reasonable, indeed downright required. As for your children . . . well, not believing in attacking the innocent, I'll leave them out of it.

Quote:
I seem to remember correcting you on that not conceding it.


That deserves nothing much more than a hearty LOL.

See, I can do the argument by disaggregation as well. Profoundly silly mode of arguing that you seem to prefer.



Posted by: Lea

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/07/10 08:28 PM



~ Disaggregation ~


Wonderful word. I'm happy to make its acquaintance, thank you. smile



Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/08/10 01:20 AM

Quote:
if you really want a poll...

There's already been a poll - I'm asking for more details of the results.

km

Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/08/10 01:23 AM

Quote:
No, yours is the incorrect inference.

No, mine's correct and yours is incorrect. Since more studies found better social competence amongst same sex parents than found the opposite it would be irresponsible of those who believe the findings to advocate anything other than that same sex couples should be given priority. Unless of course you're with me that social competence of parents is not the be all and end all of what's best for children. Your dismissal of differences only because they're marginal is, well, silly - only an idiot would go with a marginal disadvantage. If studies showed a marginal advantage taking route A over route B in a race to scale K2 the mountaineer takes route A and the idiot takes route B.

Quote:
And policy should be that each child has his or her own particular circumstances that are indefinable by some abstract statistical study.

Of course, but marginal benefits of one family over another should be decisive.

Quote:
Is it my imagination that says that its a terrible thing for kids to be raised in a non-heterosexual household? That was your position

No, that's a misrepresentation.

Quote:
if it isn't then we can stop this thread right here.

Fair enough.

Quote:
You are the one who makes the argument that retaliation in kind is perfectly reasonable, indeed downright required.

No that's another misrepresentation. What's required is that persons choose the lesser of two evils at all times. If the greater of two evils is retaliation, you reject it.

km
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/08/10 03:25 AM

That's because His Minus pisses off so many people. eek
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/08/10 03:48 AM

Not really... it's because as hard as you try you can't prove a lie. In trying to do so you've managed to create in your own twisted imagination the first-ever closet gay who's homophobic against his own orientation - what an idiot. You should stick to Photoshop because fiction writing's obviously not your strongest suite. whistle

km
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/08/10 04:15 AM

Watching your irrationality grow geometrically and in perfect synchronization with your desperation and delusions has been an epic experience. You are so losing it, km. You have elected to cast yourself as an inverted island — which is to say that you've sunk to the bottom of your sanity and you're trying to dig your way to the other hemisphere in search of daylight. And no one has thrown you a lifeline. No one.

Descriptive writing doesn't suit this one, that one should keep up with the conversation, the other one should stick to whatever... And every damned one of us is wrong. Wow. Tell me again who's got the twisted imagination. Tell me again who can't prove what. Tell me again who's the idiot. Tell me again, km.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/08/10 04:21 AM

You didn't deal with your contradiction - the homophobic gay?

km
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/08/10 05:02 AM

You need to know when it's time to stop. You need to acknowledge that you're out of your depth. You're only making a bigger and bigger fool of yourself.
Posted by: VarmintBlubber

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/08/10 05:54 AM

The more the fastidious persnicketizer Km opines on, the more I pity him.

I judge him guilty of waging third-rate arguments. "Profoundly silly" arguments that are by turns crusty, petulant, persnicketizing, wantonly waistcoatatorial and downright arid... uses shopworn ruses and phrases cemented together with the thin gruel of panicky denial.

The gavel falleth. The fleashaker is toast.
Posted by: Lea

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/08/10 06:14 AM


. . . you've managed to create in your own twisted imagination the first-ever closet gay who's homophobic against his own orientation . . .


Created? Imagination? You wish.

I can start with Larry Craig and work backwards.



Posted by: VarmintBlubber

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/08/10 06:27 AM

Yeah, there's tons of examples, really. Km: all you need do is open up the old bean, old boy, and think it through.
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/08/10 06:29 AM

Seems that you do agree that whether a child is raised in a homosexual or a heterosexual household makes no difference. "Fair enough," you say.

OK, peeps . . . show's over. Nothing to argue about.
Posted by: VarmintBlubber

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/08/10 06:36 AM

LOL

As if. Kneeslapper will come up with something.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/08/10 02:39 PM

Good - stick to what you know and shut your trap about what you don't know.

km
Posted by: Lea

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/08/10 02:45 PM


But I do know. Your tells are all over the place.



Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/08/10 02:51 PM

You obviously don't know because you got it wrong.

km
Posted by: Lea

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/08/10 02:55 PM


Got what wrong?



Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/08/10 02:59 PM

Perfect. You hate women, too. Christ, what a mess you are.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/08/10 03:16 PM

Hatred is your specialism, methinks.

km
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/08/10 05:09 PM



Wrong on two counts, honey:
1. "Hatred is your specialism" (Ooooooo, clever word!)
2. "methinks"
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 12:37 AM

Quote:
Got what wrong?

1. That I'm gay; 2. That I'm homophobic against the gays, when in fact I'm neither. That's why I say to you: comment on what you know and wind your neck in on what you don't know.

km
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 12:39 AM

Quote:
Perfect. You hate women, too.

Now are you sure about that? You're not going to change your mind again?

km
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 12:46 AM

Quote:
Seems that you do agree that whether a child is raised in a homosexual or a heterosexual household makes no difference. "Fair enough," you say.

No that was to something else.

Quote:
OK, peeps . . . show's over. Nothing to argue about.

Looks like they're not paying much attention to you. laugh

km
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 03:33 AM

Homophobic. Check
Bigoted. Check.
Egocentric. Check
Never wrong. Check
Hates Fears Women. Check.
Schmuck. Check. Check. Check.

Yup. I'm sure.
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 03:43 AM

He's quite right on the latter. You've played the fool yet again, and flown your homophobe flag high. I doubt anyone will argue with that. Regarding the former, it's always a never-ending show with you. A freak show. But a show none-the-less.

If a clinical psychologist were to read this thread (and so many others), you'd be chugging down the track, too. On your way to the Happy Ranch.
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 03:47 AM

kneeslapper? That's how it starts, VB. First a gentle slap on the knee. Then a furtive caress on the thigh, a quickening heartbeat... blush You don't think...? shocked
Posted by: Lea

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 06:42 AM


You may or may not be gay. I don't know.

You are homophobic. It's been obvious for a very long time.

You need to take your own advice ~ comment on what you know and wind your neck in on what you don't know.







Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 07:43 AM

Quite telling, the way he gets pissy with women, dontcha think?
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 08:44 AM

No, you're defining homophobia as someone who takes a different view to yours on issues such as gay marriage - but that's not what it means.

km
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 08:48 AM

Not really... just dealing with false accusations from whatever source.

km
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 08:49 AM

You can paint zebra stripes on a toad. But it's still a toad. Say ribbit, honey.
Posted by: Lea

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 10:21 AM


I wasn't defining homophobia ~ and that's not even a very artful dodge on your part. I was pointing out that your reputation here as homophobic is something you've established in your various posts on different subjects over the last couple of years. Here are the first three definitions I've come upon, using various dictionaries. Your usage is incorrect anyway. " . . . you're defining homophobia as someone who . . .' I'm sure you meant "homophobe".


Homophobia, definitions ~

An extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people.

Prejudice against (fear or dislike of) homosexual people and homosexuality.

Irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals



Deritives ~ Homophobe: noun. Homophobic: adjective.



Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 10:28 AM

Quote:
I wasn't defining homophobia

In that case you shouldn't have made the accusation. If you want to maintain it now you have to move away from general slurs such as "your reputation" and "various posts on different topics over the last few years" and identify specific statements that you say exhibit the "extreme and irrational aversion..." that you allege. I believe my posts have done quite the opposite.

km
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 10:37 AM

Quote:
kneeslapper? That's how it starts, VB. First a gentle slap on the knee. Then a furtive caress on the thigh, a quickening heartbeat...

Have you complained to the police? You don't have to face it on your own - you can get help from Narth.

km
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 10:52 AM

Then you believe wrongly. Very, very wrongly.

And there's no need to refer to any particular statements of yours because you're the only one disputing the allegation (or accurate description, in your case). You've been called on your homophobia by many others here, and as much as you seem to think it, we can't all be wrong.

If anyone has any proving to do, it's you.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 12:39 PM

Quote:
Then you believe wrongly. Very, very wrongly.

No, I believe rightly. In the all the years I've been posting on these boards I haven't once maligned a person for his sexuality, perceived or otherwise. You do it on a regular basis with occasional contributions from other bigots such as your new recruit Varmintblubber.

What I have done is offered conventional mainstream viewpoints on the general subject and quite often expressed admiration for individual gays on which your opinion has been conspicuous by its absence. That's the trouble with having a false view of the world such as yours - you can't cope when something doesn't fit the bliueprint.

Quote:
And there's no need to refer to any particular statements

Yes, if you make an accusation you have to back it up. If you can't do so fair minded people will dismiss it.

Quote:
You've been called on your homophobia

No you have - and examples are all over the board if you need reminding of them. Do you see a difference there? I can back up my statements, you can't.

Quote:
we can't all be wrong.

What all three of you? There's very little credibility to go 'round there I'm afraid.

km
Posted by: Leslie

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 12:48 PM

Quote:
What all three of you?

Four.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 12:54 PM

Big deal - four who can't back up an accusation. laugh

km
Posted by: Leslie

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 01:20 PM

quote=keymaker]
Quote:
two loving parents offer different benefits to children.

Yeah, but within a narrower range. smirk

km [/quote]

Narrower implies limited or restricted - very homophobic statement.

But really, who has the time/desire to go through all your contrary and revealing statements. You will rebut with a variation on the theme. It is tiresome.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 01:41 PM

Quote:
Narrower implies limited or restricted.

Yeah, mainly because the benefits available from same sex couples are more limited or restricted. For example neither of two males can breast-feed. The fact that you're in denial over basic truths makes you ignorant or bigoted, or both, but it doesn't make me homophobic.

Quote:
Very homophobic statement.

Noope, I posted the science on a previous occasion but even without that it'd still be pretty damn obvious to anyone with an open mind.

km
Posted by: Leslie

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 01:45 PM

Quote:
For example neither of two males can breast-feed.


Dumb example.
Not all women are willing/able to breast-feed.
Next.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 01:46 PM

So what, most can. I want to level up, you want to level down - just realise that levelling down is not in the best interests of children.

km
Posted by: Leslie

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 02:15 PM

Like I said, dumb example.
Next.
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 02:41 PM

The old Some of my best friends are gay cover. That's a real deal closer. Not. Well, at least you believe you. Congratulations on your singularity.

If you're so sure of your counter-claims, the burden of proof is on you. I've posted enough evidence in recent months, and if you really want to poll the constituency here, be my guest.

And I would be very careful about casting doubt on the credibility of others. Your account is due for closure because of excessive overdraft charges.
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 02:44 PM

And of course, you unconditionally reject any science that proves the opposite. Not that we're surprised by your myopic and warped response, mind you.
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 02:46 PM

Oh please. You wouldn't know level if you had one yellow eye with an air bubble in it.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 02:51 PM

No it's a dumb response in your part - adoption should offer children the widest benefits in parenting, not the narrowest. For that reason I'm afraid your homophobia charge is not made out. smirk

km
Posted by: DLC

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 03:52 PM

I think this thread needs to be combined with the Fatwa thread !!

laugh
Posted by: Lea

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 03:56 PM


Good Lord, David! That could crash the entire intertubes! Think, man! Think!!






Posted by: DLC

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 04:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Lea

Good Lord, David! That could crash the entire intertubes! Think, man! Think!!







DUH - {slaps head} blush ... that would seriously cut down's John R's business, a lot !!

Ok . . . I'm going back to my room now !! wink


laugh
Posted by: Leslie

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 04:27 PM

Quote:
adoption should offer children the widest benefits in parenting, not the narrowest.



You are the only one calling equal marriages as having a narrower range. Well, you and your bosom buddy T.H.
Posted by: Leslie

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 04:53 PM

Quote:
Martin Gill and his partner are seeking to adopt two brothers, ages 5 and 9. The boys have lived with the two men for five years as foster children. For most of that time, the Miami couple has been in court fighting for something Florida forbids gay couples: the right to adopt children. A state judge ruled in their favor, finding that Florida's law banning gay adoption was not in the best interests of children and was unconstitutional.


From the radio show All Things Considered on NPR today.

not in the best interests of the children - an enlightened, concerned judge.
Posted by: steveg

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 06:12 PM

Yeah, but we'd be able to see both cheeks of the ass at the same time! Stereo, baby. Stereo.. grin
Posted by: Jim_

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 06:56 PM

Originally Posted By: DLC
I think this thread needs to be combined with the Fatwa thread !!

laugh
I thought this was the Fatwa thread. They all look alike. crazy
Posted by: Jim_

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 07:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Lea

Good Lord, David! That could crash the entire intertubes! Think, man! Think!!
I feel like Bart Simpson standing over the big red Do Not Push button on the control panel. grin
Posted by: Leslie

Re: The train keeps chugging down the track. - 03/09/10 07:05 PM

No doubt there is a common denominator.