Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil

Posted by: carp

Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/22/10 01:39 PM

It is all about Oil not about sheep laugh

Keep in mind that the US gave all the oil back to Iraq laugh
Posted by: DLC

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/22/10 07:14 PM

Well no big deal . . . they're stealing from a bunch of Falkers !! wink


laugh
Posted by: Lea

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/22/10 07:24 PM


What ~ You trying to bait a rabbit or something? laugh


Posted by: Mactico

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/22/10 07:34 PM

Originally Posted By: carp
It is all about Oil not about sheep laugh

Keep in mind that the US gave all the oil back to Iraq laugh


KM:Add this Patriot (your own words) to your blacklist with Alexander Haig, etc etc etc etc .



Telegraph.co.uk

Posted by: carp

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/23/10 01:31 PM

This is getting even better

KM stop the stealing laugh

Leave the sheep alone and share the wealth between , sheep and men ahhh , (Argentineans)
Posted by: keymaker

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/23/10 01:37 PM

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Patriot

He might be a patriot in Venezuela but he's got nothing to do with the Falklands.

km
Posted by: keymaker

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/23/10 01:41 PM

Well it's about oil and sheep... North Sea oil is running out so we decided to start drilling off the Falklands.

km
Posted by: keymaker

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/23/10 01:42 PM

Stealing? What stealing?

km
Posted by: carp

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/23/10 06:11 PM

LOL

Look at the maps , Malvina is Argentinean - aside from some few sheep and some British farmers and the land grab from Britain .

Now Stealing Oil
Posted by: keymaker

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/23/10 07:07 PM

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Look at the maps
Yeah it's definitely pink..

km
Posted by: Mactico

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/24/10 03:40 AM

Originally Posted By: keymaker
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Look at the maps
Yeah it's definitely pink..

km
Posted by: keymaker

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/24/10 09:32 AM

What the junta? They got kicked out I believe.

km
Posted by: Mactico

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/24/10 06:15 PM

Originally Posted By: keymaker
What the junta? They got kicked out I believe.

km


The junta was overthrown 25 years ago, since then Argentina has had free elections and democratic governments. Since 1961 The Security Council adopted resolution 1514 and the United Nations have called on both countries to begin dialogue over the sovereignty claim.

An don't tell me Carlos Tevez is british.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 12:05 AM

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Security Council adopted resolution 1514

No that one concerned the situation in Côte d’Ivoire in 2003.

Tevez? No he's Argentinian but he's allowed certain privileges because he once played for West Ham. cry

km
Posted by: Mactico

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 05:48 AM

And in 1995 the UK and Argentina signed an agreement to share the resources of the territorial sea of the Falkland,Georgia and Sandwich Islands.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 05:54 AM

I shouldn't think that exploration would be breaking a sharing agreement because without it there'd be nothing to share. wink

km
Posted by: Mactico

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 08:04 AM

Originally Posted By: keymaker
I shouldn't think that exploration would be breaking a sharing agreement because without it there'd be nothing to share. wink

km


Agree.
Posted by: carp

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 12:33 PM

Originally Posted By: keymaker
I shouldn't think that exploration would be breaking a sharing agreement because without it there'd be nothing to share. wink

km


However - they both should be sharing the exploration <-- end of story .

If nothing is found they both share in the busted cost - If something is found they both share in the glory .
Posted by: keymaker

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 12:42 PM

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they both should be sharing the exploration

Well, Mactico didn't post the agreement so we don't know whether they should or shouldn't.

km
Posted by: carp

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 01:05 PM

They should because the versification and jurisdiction is still disputed .
, between the 2 countries .

They should have called for joint exploration and joint resource management - at least until they settle their disagreements .
Posted by: keymaker

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 01:40 PM

No, I mean we're drilling in our own territorial waters so the oil will be all ours. grin Obviously if we've made any joint exploration agreements we'd normally honour them... but as far as I'm aware we haven't made any.

km
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 01:48 PM

The British stole the Malvinas fair and square, carp. Before international laws that would prevent such theft were in place. So that's ok, donchaknow. If there's no controlling law, then anything goes, might makes right, and the devil take the hindmost. It's the imperial way.
Posted by: carp

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 01:50 PM

The point is - that it is NOT your territorial waters to begin with .

Just because the British invaded an island and planted some sheep and their subjects does not in anyway make it British territory

More so when the island is with in the International agreed water territorial agreement from off Argentina main coast line , they have a clear state on their property .

Or do wanna argue and another island like Ireland , thats just off the British coast ? ?

laugh
Posted by: carp

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 01:53 PM

Originally Posted By: yoyo52
The British stole the Malvinas fair and square, carp. Before international laws that would prevent such theft were in place. So that's ok, donchaknow. If there's no controlling law, then anything goes, might makes right, and the devil take the hindmost. It's the imperial way.


Yep

And thats about it laugh

As for international laws - who cares
Posted by: keymaker

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 01:57 PM

No he's getting confused between stole and discovered.

km
Posted by: keymaker

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 02:10 PM

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The point is - that it is NOT your territorial waters to begin with .

No the point is that it IS our territorial waters.

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Just because the British invaded

Well, an invasion occurs when the land is inhabited by someone else not when it's discovered for the fist time.

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More so when the island is with in the International agreed water territorial agreement...

Come again?

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from off Argentina main coast line , they have a clear state on their property .

No it doesn't work like that... oh alright then, China owns Taiwan and Cuba owns the United States.

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Or do wanna argue and another island like Ireland , thats just off the British coast ? ?

Oh, I nearly forgot, and we own Ireland.

km
Posted by: carp

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 02:24 PM

Originally Posted By: keymaker
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The point is - that it is NOT your territorial waters to begin with .

No the point is that it IS our territorial waters.

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Just because the British invaded

Well, an invasion occurs when the land is inhabited by someone else not when it's discovered for the fist time.

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More so when the island is with in the International agreed water territorial agreement...

Come again?

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from off Argentina main coast line , they have a clear state on their property .

No it doesn't work like that... oh alright then, China owns Taiwan and Cuba owns the United States.

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Or do wanna argue and another island like Ireland , thats just off the British coast ? ?

Oh, I nearly forgot, and we own Ireland.

km


LOL

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No the point is that it IS our territorial waters.


NO it is Argentines Island , British just invaded it <-- Time to give it back .

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Well, an invasion occurs when the land is inhabited by someone else not when it's discovered for the fist time.


Clearly the island belongs to Argentina - even if at the time of discovery the British threw some sheep on the island because it was un inhabited and that does not make any jurisdiction .

Hell there are tons of small uninhabited island islands --- can I just paddle over and place my Flag ?

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No it doesn't work like that... oh alright then, China owns Taiwan and Cuba owns the United States.


We are talking about small islands off the coast in their territorial waters - Not about continents , get it striate laugh



Posted by: keymaker

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 02:40 PM

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No the point is that it IS our territorial waters.

NO it is Argentines Island , British just invaded it <-- Time to give it back .

No, it's British because we discovered it... so it's time for the Argies to get on with their lives and stop worrying about it.

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Clearly the island belongs to Argentina

What, because it's nearby?

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even if at the time of discovery the British threw some sheep on the island

Well, when you discover an island you put sheep on, or take sheep off, whatever takes your fancy.

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because it was un inhabited and that does not make any jurisdiction

Yeah it makes it ours... all you have to do is land on a territory, shout "three cheers for the Queen", hoist up the Union Flag and sing the national anthem, then you own it.

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We are talking about small islands off the coast in their territorial waters

You mean like Taiwan? Oh, and Ireland? laugh

km


Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 02:43 PM

The "discovery" argument is nonsensical. Spanish maps show the islands in the 1520s, and the first English reference is not till the 1590s. Some attribute the "discovery" to a Dutch sailor. Spanish, French, English, and (after their independence) Argentine claims have been made, unmade, remade, and so on. The argument we're probably about to hear is that the "citizens of the Malvinas Falklands want to remain part of the Eempire. Right. Plant the "citizens" and what would you expect.
Posted by: carp

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 02:47 PM

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No, it's British because we discovered it


Ohhh You Discorved it -- Like Malivina was not off the coast of Argentina (in plain sight) , like from the dawn of man . Sorta like no one there aside for some small villages South Americans , you then placed a flag added some sheep and some subjects <-- now it is all yours for the stealing .
Posted by: keymaker

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 02:50 PM

He's overlooked the fact that Spanish, French, or Dutch "claims" don't help Argentina.

km
Posted by: carp

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 02:53 PM

Correct YoYo

Look at Hawaii for example - Ripe for destruction and conquest because we are in the middle of no where .

Malivina is just off the coast from Argentina - just because some dudes bump into it does not make it theirs
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 02:55 PM

It does put English "claims" under interrogation. Except of course that you're squatting, and that that the squatting is legal because you stole it fair and square. In any case, the Argentines had physical possession of the islands before the British did, both before and after the independence from Spain.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 03:02 PM

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Ohhh You Discorved it

Only after we discovered.

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Like Malivina was not off the coast of Argentina (in plain sight)

Well, Taiwan in plain sight from China, Ireland from England and in fact we can even see France on a clear day.

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like from the dawn of man

Not from the dawn of man, no - continental shift.

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Sorta like no one there aside for some small villages South Americans , you then placed a flag added some sheep and some subjects <-- now it is all yours

Correct.

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for the stealing

Stealing no, the Falklands are British in international law.

km
Posted by: keymaker

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 03:15 PM

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It does put English "claims" under interrogation.

Not in the least, we inhabit the Falklands now because we were the first to land on the islands.

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Except of course that you're squatting,

No, inhabiting.

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you stole it fair and square

You mean discovered it fair and square.

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In any case, the Argentines had physical possession of the islands before the British did, both before and after the independence from Spain.

No that's factually incorrect.

km
Posted by: carp

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 04:19 PM

Originally Posted By: keymaker
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Ohhh You Discorved it

Only after we discovered.

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Like Malivina was not off the coast of Argentina (in plain sight)

Well, Taiwan in plain sight from China, Ireland from England and in fact we can even see France on a clear day.

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like from the dawn of man

Not from the dawn of man, no - continental shift.

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Sorta like no one there aside for some small villages South Americans , you then placed a flag added some sheep and some subjects <-- now it is all yours

Correct.

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for the stealing

Stealing no, the Falklands are British in international law.

km


Exactly

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Well, Taiwan in plain sight from China, Ireland from England and in fact we can even see France on a clear day.


My point - you do not own it
Just because you can see it or just so happen to bump into it .
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 04:20 PM

Like presenting the official UK government web page to justify the continuing battle in Afghanistan. But then partiality is the name of the imperial game.
Posted by: Mactico

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 05:19 PM

Originally Posted By: keymaker
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they both should be sharing the exploration

Well, Mactico didn't post the agreement so we don't know whether they should or shouldn't.

km

Falkland Agreements

1995 Hydrocarbons Agreement.
Posted by: keymaker

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 09:14 PM

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Like presenting the official UK government web page to justify the continuing battle in Afghanistan. But then partiality is the name of the imperial game.

Not really, you haven't posted any sources to contradict it so we take it to be correct.

km
Posted by: keymaker

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 09:41 PM

Thanks, well we're fulfilling our part of the 1995 Agreement but by protesting about the drilling the Argies are in breach of it... in fact I believe they've formally renounced it.

km
Posted by: keymaker

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/25/10 10:02 PM

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off the coast of Argentina (in plain sight)

Well, Taiwan is in plain sight from China, Ireland from England...

Exactly

Exactly... so by your argument China owns Taiwan, and we own Ireland, for example. laugh

km

Posted by: Lea

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/26/10 06:06 AM


Both England and China have behaved as though they did own, respectively, Taiwan and Ireland. Both England and China have bullied, respectively, Taiwan and Ireland in the not so distant past.

We Americans are accused of adhering to an attitude of My Country Right or Wrong, but you Brits? You thought you owned the world once upon a time, your reach and power ultimately played out, and that still sticks in your craw.

If I were to judged all Brits by your rabbit running on here? I'd assume that England is just a tiny little country with a silly sense of grandeur.







Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/26/10 06:29 AM

A Napoleon complex, would you say? laugh laugh laugh
Posted by: Lea

Re: Ohhhh (km) British stealing oil - 02/26/10 07:42 AM




Napoleon was English?!?