GLOBAL WARMING!!

Posted by: MattMac112

GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/02/08 05:07 PM

<br><br>***********************<br>[color:red]Nice Try</font color=red>
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/02/08 05:11 PM

Looking at the short term again, eh? Go stick your head back in the sand.<br><br><br>
Posted by: Celandine

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/02/08 05:49 PM

DAMN! [frown[ MY Calender still sez "January SECOND"<br><br>Where can I download one like YOURS? GOP.com?<br><br>...or DRUDGE?<br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green> [color:green]. . . _ _ _ . . .</font color=green><br>
Posted by: polymerase

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/02/08 05:55 PM

I remember a long time ago someone posting something like this when Al Gore was making a speech in New York when the temperature outside was -5 F.<br><br>The joke has not aged well. It is still the most stupendously ignorant viewpoint I have ever run into except for young earth creationism (which happens to be shared by the polar opposite of my view on both accounts.)<br><br>Now arguing wether global climate change is occurring is still somewhat an open debate. I cannot say that just because a majority of climatologists agree does not mean it is an absolute. But to use today's cold weather as a foil to counter global warming is about as ignorant as you can get. <br>This is response from someone who knows what the answer is and they will find the answer no matter what it takes.<br><br>Now if you posted just for hilarity than I will guffaw with you except the joke kind of ranks up there with some really stupid knock knock jokes.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: polymerase

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/02/08 06:01 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>DAMN! [frown[ MY Calender still sez "January SECOND"<p><hr></blockquote><p>I didn't even notice that he had used a state college predicting wind chill in the future. I guess that is a way to find the real truth. Next he will be using temperature predictions next to the broadripple community college furnace to explain why global warming is a myth.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: Celandine

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/02/08 06:02 PM

HEEHEEHEE<br><br>Waiting for him to "Pole-Axe" you with the dreaded; <br>"Paul, where's your sense of humor?...sheesh!" <br><br><br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green> [color:green]. . . _ _ _ . . .</font color=green><br>
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/02/08 06:47 PM

Actually, those temps are not out of line for this time of year. We just had one of the warmest Decembers on record here in FL and will be returning to highs in the 80s (10 degrees above normal) by next week.<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/02/08 06:51 PM

00Z 3 JAN = 7 PM EST 2 JAN. Besides, using Wind Chill is pretty meaningless for an argument. Actual temp here at 7 PM was 46 F. <br><br><br>
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/02/08 07:14 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Actually, those temps are not out of line for this time of year. <p><hr></blockquote><p>Seriously?<br><br>Holy crap!<br><br>Oh why oh why does George Bush hate alligators!? <br><br>***********************<br>[color:red]Nice Try</font color=red>
Posted by: polymerase

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/02/08 07:16 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Actually, those temps are not out of line for this time of year. We just had one of the warmest Decembers on record here in FL and will be returning to highs in the 80s (10 degrees above normal) by next week.<p><hr></blockquote><p>You point out an even more stupendous mistake by the state college meteorologists. Your average temperature for those two days might average out to "normal" but the one thing that global climate change does explain is that we will be experiencing dramatic changes in climate. Day to day and week to week the climate and temp will change dramatically causing more severe weather.<br><br>Sort of like what we are experiencing today and tomorrow. It will be as cold as 5 F in Boston tomorrow after the heaviest snowfall in December in history followed by 40 F day after tomorrow. Pretty much what the global climate change people have been singing.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/02/08 08:12 PM

Equally short term: look at the end of the week in PA.<br><br><br><br>&#63743; &#63743; &#63743; &#63743;
Posted by: DLC

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/02/08 08:33 PM

well all I can say is that over Christmas when we were in Dallas TX the weather was in the 70s and bright and sunny... we didn't have 1 cold day out of the 10 we were there and this was the END of December !!<br><br>sure there may be cold snaps - they don't totally disappear and some may be more extreme, but overall, over time the environment IS getting warmer... globally ... not regionally and not short-term. Go look at the polar caps !<br><br>BTW I think that must have been a rainfall map... Atlanta showed 12 - we haven't been 12 all year !! ..so it must be referring to the drought = 12 " of rain ! <br><br>your analogy is like taking one day you get 3" of rain and then saying geez we're gonna drown... 3" X 365 = 1100" of rain this year !! <br><br>the key here Matt is "Averages".<br>David (OFI)
Posted by: DLC

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/02/08 08:39 PM

YOYO !!!! <br><br>Quit hogging all the heat !!! <br><br>David (OFI)
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/02/08 08:44 PM

Who's up for adopting Polar Bears floating around Lake Antarctica? <br><br>Did I tell you I'm leaving my house lights on non-stop in an effort to flood Manhattan? <br><br>***********************<br>[color:red]Nice Try</font color=red>
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 05:11 AM

Long term check<br><br>Including 2007, seven of the eight warmest years on record have occurred since 2001 and the 10 warmest years have all occurred since 1997.<br><br><br>
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 06:15 AM

In other news gas jumped 15 cents overnight and will probably not go back down past $3 a gallon, Oil is $100 a barrel, and my electricity bill has went up nearly 400% in the past two years despite all the conservation measures I've taken, and despite making well more than twice what I made 7 years ago, I have less money in my pocket.<br><br>Tell your president nice job from all of us. I'll really enjoy it when I can pay $4, no $5.. hell, $6 a gallon!<br><br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 06:44 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I have less money in my pocket.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Not me, baby! I have three jobs. My regular, full time job plus two thriving side businesses. Paid off my vehicle ... zero credit card debt ... all I owe on is my crib. <br><br>... But, to each their own. <br><br>***********************<br>[color:red]Nice Try</font color=red>
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 06:48 AM

Brrrrrrrrrr . . . <br><br><br><br>***********************<br>[color:red]Nice Try</font color=red>
Posted by: DLC

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 07:06 AM

your explanation is perfect.... takes 3 jobs to make it.<br><br>and you DO have less in your pocket than you would if gas were $2 a gallon no matter how many jobs you have and no matter how much you make.<br><br>That said, I applaud your entrepreneurmanship.<br><br>David (OFI)
Posted by: Llewelyn

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 08:11 AM

Because living in the UK with $7/gallon and "luxuary goods" paying in what you pay in $ is such a barrel of laughs.<br><br>I used to think it was terrible that life was unfair. Then I thought what if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen came because we really deserved them? Now I take comfort in the general unfairness and hostility of the universe.
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 08:34 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>your explanation is perfect.... takes 3 jobs to make it.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Oh hell no. I can make it on my main, fulltime job alone. But should that job go, I won't be looking to the Government to save my ass. That's my job. <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>and you DO have less in your pocket than you would if gas were $2 a gallon no matter how many jobs you have and no matter how much you make.<p><hr></blockquote><p>The hysteria over gas prices cracks me up. It takes 16 gallons to fill up my car. At $2.00 per gallon that's $32. At $3.50 that's $56, a difference of $24. Wow. So I adjust my budget. I don't go out for lunch. Car pool with a co-worker. Stay at home a little more. Skip a dinner out. Work a little harder at booking a client. Scale back my cable service. Sell something. In other words, it's on ME to adjust if gas prices rise. And another thing, as long as I've been alive, gas prices rise and fall. Rise and fall. In other words, rising gas prices are .. anyone? .. Predictable! I love watching people recoil in horror when gas prices *predictably* rise! <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>That said, I applaud your entrepreneurmanship.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Thanks man! Wouldn't have it any other way. <br><br>***********************<br>[color:red]Nice Try</font color=red>
Posted by: DLC

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 08:43 AM

"The hysteria over gas prices cracks me up. It takes 16 gallons to fill up my car. At $2.00 per gallon that's $32. At $3.50 that's $56, a difference of $24. Wow. " <br><br>your logic cracks me up... if the govt takes it, you scream.. but if a rich oil company or Arab Shieks gouges you it's OK ! <br><br>it's not just the $24, Matt ... try 24 X 52 weeks = $1248 !!<br><br>what could one do with $1200 !??? <br><br>NEW iMAC !! <br><br><br><br>David (OFI)
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 08:48 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>but if a rich oil company or Arab Shieks gouges you it's OK !<p><hr></blockquote><p>Supply and demand.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>t's not just the $24, Matt ... try 24 X 52 weeks = $1248 !!<p><hr></blockquote><p>Nope .. gas prices will fall, Dave. They always do. <br><br>***********************<br>[color:red]Nice Try</font color=red>
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 10:38 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Supply and demand.<p><hr></blockquote><p>No, it's the futures market that has held up the inflated oil prices because traders learn they can get rich off the backs of everyone else. There's been little reason for the price of oil to be what it's been the past few months.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Nope .. gas prices will fall, Dave. They always do. <p><hr></blockquote><p>Yes, back to $3.20 a gallon after they hit $4 in a few weeks. I'd be shocked to ever see gas less than $3 a gallon ever again. How about this, if they don't go back down below $3 by February, can I come over and kick you square in the nuts wearing steel tipped boots?<br><br>What was the price of gas when Bush took office again?<br><br>Of course, what you leave out is when you don't go out to lunch, that's less money in someone else's pocket. That slows the economy. How nice.<br><br><br><br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by SgtBaxter on 01/03/08 02:00 PM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 10:51 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Paid off my vehicle ... zero credit card debt ... all I owe on is my crib.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>Good for you. I have zero car payments and no credit card payments either. So what?<br><br>What do either of those have to do with the fact that 4 years ago I paid maybe $70 a month for electricity and now I regularly pay over $300 even though I use less? That's a difference of $2760 a year, and it continues to climb. Gasoline costs me ~$900 a year more than it did a few years ago. I drive a 27 m.p.g. sedan, not a huge gas hog suv. <br><br>Whether or not I have a car payment is irrelevant, that's still $3.6K less a year in my pocket without including all the other increased costs as a result of increased energy prices. Hell 4 years ago I could buy lunch for $6. Now I don't get away for less than $10 anywhere.<br><br>Hate to tell you, but having 3 jobs is not a good thing. You should be able to have that same amount of money in your pocket with just 1. Bush has allowed our costs to rise far faster than the average person makes in a "cost of living" raise. That means he's a failure.<br><br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!
Posted by: DLC

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 10:57 AM

Can't disagree with any of your points Sarge... Thanks.<br><br>"Bush has allowed our costs to rise far faster than the average person makes in a "cost of living" raise. That means he's a failure."<br><br>There ya go again ! confusing people with Facts !! <br><br>on second though he's been a great success for the multi-national corporations, top CEOs, and the top 1% of Americans. <br><br>David (OFI)
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 11:03 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Can't disagree with any of your points Sarge... Thanks.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>Hey, y'know what, I'll gladly give him credit when it's due, and even still give him benefit of the doubt on things though I shouldn't. In the same tide however I'll gladly hold his feet to the fire and roast them charred black when need be.<br><br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 11:38 AM

And all of these things are variables that you can factor in to smart budgeting. Gas and electricity prices rise? WHOA! No way! I had no idea. <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Hell 4 years ago I could buy lunch for $6. Now I don't get away for less than $10 anywhere.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Brown bag it. Lunch never cost me over $4. <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Hate to tell you, but having 3 jobs is not a good thing.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Sure it is. When two of those three jobs are created by me, for me and benefit (not only my clients) but me. Not making enough? Stop bitching about it, get off your lazy ass and get to work. Stop looking for the President of the United States to solve your "problems." <br><br>Don't look for someone to blame, Sarge. Take some responsibility for yourself. <br><br><br>***********************<br>[color:red]Nice Try</font color=red>
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 11:42 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> I'd be shocked to ever see gas less than $3 a gallon ever again.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Same alarmist crap from last summer .. and the summer before that .. Gas was down below $3.00 just last week .. it will be again ... <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> How about this, if they don't go back down below $3 by February, can I come over and kick you square in the nuts wearing steel tipped boots?<p><hr></blockquote><p>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ... Stop thinking about my nuts, angry man! <br><br>***********************<br>[color:red]Nice Try</font color=red>
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 01:13 PM

Let's pro-rate fuel costs. Those driving fuel efficient cars get the low price and those driving huge SUVs get the high price. You waste, you pay.<br><br><br>
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 01:39 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Not making enough? Stop bitching about it, get off your lazy ass and get to work. <p><hr></blockquote><p>That's rather funny, considering I'm away from my home 12-15 hours a day... at work. I do take responsibility for myself. My single salary is probably 3x what my parents ever made in a year, combined. I just got a nice fat raise too.<br><br>That doesn't change the fact that I effectively make less money than I made when Bush took office even though my paycheck is more. That's wrong. I am a greedy son of a bitch, and the government is screwing me out of money. So you're damn right I'm going to bitch. The people in government right now don't deserve to be there. They're incompetent, and I'm not just talking about Bush, I'm talking about 90% of the people in the state and local governments - my state government most of all. Time for them to leave.<br><br>Sorry you're can't understand this isn't about Dave or myself being in the poorhouse, because neither of us are. We don't have second or third jobs, so obviously we're much better off than you. This is about the government being incompetent, and causing us to have thousands of dollars less in our pocket each year than we would if someone who knew what the hell they were doing was in office. If you can't see where that's a problem, then you do need a swift kick in the nuts.<br><br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 01:49 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>We don't have second or third jobs, so obviously we're much better off than you.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Oh please .. check your ego ... you have no idea how "much better off" you are than me. I have outside businesses because I like to work, I like to save money and I like to rely on myself. That way I don't go around bashing my head into walls over who is occupying what office in Washington DC. <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>This is about the government being incompetent, and causing us to have thousands of dollars less in our pocket each year than we would if someone who knew what the hell they were doing was in office.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Well then run for office .. You obviously have all the answers. And if you have less dollars in your pocket it's your own damn fault. <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>If you can't see where that's a problem, then you do need a swift kick in the nuts.<p><hr></blockquote><p>And maybe you should lay off the assh@le pills, Bax. <br><br>***********************<br>[color:red]Nice Try</font color=red>
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 01:52 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Gas was down below $3.00 just last week<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>Wow, when Katrina hit and gas spiked to $3 a gallon you said it would be "temporary". <br><br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 02:01 PM

Can't find that, but here you are two years ago ringing the $6.00 per gallon alarmist bell! <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>What's your plan when gas is $6 a gallon?<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>How'd that $6.00 per gallon gas work for ya?<br><br>***********************<br>[color:red]Nice Try</font color=red>
Posted by: Llewelyn

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 02:05 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>This is about the government being incompetent, and causing us to have thousands of dollars less in our pocket each year than we would if someone who knew what the hell they were doing was in office. If you can't see where that's a problem, then you do need a swift kick in the nuts.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>Seems I can't recall a competent government in my life, at least by your criteria. Every single one of them has resulted in me having less money for personal use each year. They give with one hand and take away more with the other.<br><br>I used to think it was terrible that life was unfair. Then I thought what if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen came because we really deserved them? Now I take comfort in the general unfairness and hostility of the universe.
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 02:20 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I have outside businesses because I like to work, I like to save money and I like to rely on myself.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>But, criticize your Bush even a little and you're quick to bend over for him.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Well then run for office .. You obviously have all the answers. And if you have less dollars in your pocket it's your own damn fault.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>That is an excellent idea. I'll start small, perhaps mayor. Our current one is a douchebag, shouldn't be hard to unseat her. <br><br>You're right too, I do have all the answers. I picketed against deregulation of our utilities when the folks in our Senate were blowing themselves over what a great idea they came up with. Most people I knew said I was stupid, that we'd save sooooo much money because of competition. Whooops. Did I mention our electric rates have increased almost 400% and are due to increase again this year?<br><br>So no, it's not my fault if I have $2700 less a year because of electric bills, it's theirs. Had I been in office that's money everyone in the state would have in their pockets. My only solace is now I see PA will go through the same thing soon. Idiocy runs amok in government it seems.<br><br>Oh, to top it off now their raising our taxes. This, the state that makes the most tax revenue in the entire union. Incompetent fools every one. I don't think I voted for a single person in office, so again.. how is it my fault? Please explain. The explanation should be quite comical.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>And maybe you should lay off the assh@le pills, Bax. <p><hr></blockquote><p>LOL.. I'm not on any, I'm naturally an assh@le and enjoy it too much to stop. Get used to it, I'm on the warpath now.<br><br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 02:31 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Can't find that<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>Really? Because it's your very own response to the link you just posted.<br><br>How's that lying thing working for you?<br><br>Oh, and by the way, my response to your response:<br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Gas futures are being traded now for what gas prices will be in October and november. Your "temporary spike" is going to most likely be 1/2 year or better.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>I was't wrong there, was I? What's gas cost now? Let's see, I paid $3.49 yesterday. Granted I use premium, but then like DLC, I don't stoop to regular gas or brown bag lunches.<br><br>So, what's your plan a few months from now when it's $4? And yes, later on when it's $6? Because it will rise to $6 a gallon sooner than later. Gonna keep piling on the jobs? There is 24 hours in a day you know. Or, maybe I'm just an assh@le for pointing that out. <br><br><br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 02:31 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>But, criticize your Bush even a little and you're quick to bend over for him.<p><hr></blockquote><p>LOL! <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>LOL.. I'm not on any, I'm naturally an assh@le and enjoy it too much to stop. Get used to it, I'm on the warpath now.<p><hr></blockquote><p>GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR .. Get used to it? I think not. Life is too short to walk around permanently p!ssed off .. and I'm in too good of a mood. So you .. you .. you just be p!ssed off for the both of us ... <br><br>***********************<br>[color:red]Nice Try</font color=red>
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 02:34 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Get used to it? I think not. Life is too short to walk around permanently p!ssed off .. and I'm in too good of a mood.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>You're absolutely correct. Sorry, I was just givin ya some good natured ribbing.<br><br>But I'll never stop being an assh@le ;)<br><br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 02:37 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>How's that lying thing working for you?<p><hr></blockquote><p>Lying? Gas DID come down from $3.00 per gallon. How's that comprehension working for you? <br><br>And this...Here comes the victimology:<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I paid $3.49 yesterday. <p><hr></blockquote><p>And then .. <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Granted I use premium<p><hr></blockquote><p>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA So it IS your own damn fault. You crack me up. <br><br>Well. I'm sitting here waiting for that $6.00 gallon of gas, Mr. two years ago Gloom-n-Doom! <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Gonna keep piling on the jobs? There is 24 hours in a day you know<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>Hell yes. I'll work around the clock. Say, maybe I'll work so hard that I'll get hooked on uppers, which will lead to bigger drugs, then I'd lose everything .. all the jobs. Down to nothing. Then I'll turn into a Democrat and expect the government to take care of me. YEAH!! THAT'S IT!<br><br>***********************<br>[color:red]Nice Try</font color=red>
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 02:38 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>But I'll never stop being an assh@le ;)<p><hr></blockquote><p>Don't make nice .. or I'll kick ya in the nuts! <br><br>***********************<br>[color:red]Nice Try</font color=red>
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 03:01 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Lying? Gas DID come down from $3.00 per gallon.<p><hr></blockquote><p>No, you were lying about not being able to find the post where you said it was temporary. Either that, or you're just plain lazy.<br><br>And yes, gas was below $3 a gallon. But it never went back to the pre Katrina prices. And never will, will it?<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>So it IS your own damn fault.<p><hr></blockquote><p>No, I use premium because it's recommended for my car, and I get several miles per gallon more running on premium. When there's only a 20 cent difference per gallon between regular and premium as there is now, I actually spend less money using premium. Granted, it's almost break even. If premium were say, 30 cents more per gallon, then I'd switch to regular.<br><br>Just like the HE washing machine I just purchased. It may have cost $200 more than a regular top load washer, but it uses nearly $200 less a year in electricity and water heating. So, it actually costs far far less... even though most people only see the price tag - like DLC ;)<br><br>Oh, is it being an assh@le to mention I paid cash for the washer on just one job? :P<br><br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!
Posted by: DLC

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 03:37 PM

"his is about the government being incompetent, and causing us to have thousands of dollars less in our pocket each year than we would if someone who knew what the hell they were doing was in office."<br><br>to reiterate Sarge's point... it's not about US... what about those not as well off. those where $1200 is a lot of $$. Sorry Matt your view is very myopic and very MY-opic... just cause you can afford it or cut places doesn't mean many are out there who can't. many don't have the wherewithal to do so like we do.<br><br>and furthermore, it DOESN"T have to be... oil industry had "record " Profits .. up very much over pre-Katrina prices... so these greedy azzholes use this as an excuse to steal (gouge) from the less fortunate and US too to be inclusive. I find it ironic the Bushies felt compelled to "free Iraq" (course we know that was a lie) but they won't lift a finger to "Free" their own constituents and people (economically). it's hypocrisy and double standards.<br><br>David (OFI)
Posted by: Lea

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 03:44 PM

This thread is giving me a huge case of the warm and fuzzies. Ahhh, the good old daze . . . <br><br><br><br><br><br>[color:blue]I always deserve it. Really.</font color=blue><br><br>
Posted by: mojo_jojo

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 04:09 PM

It's a frickin' awesome thread Lea. <br><br>
Posted by: mojo_jojo

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 04:14 PM

Single trader behind oil record<br><br>
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 04:21 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Oh, is it being an assh@le to mention I paid cash for the washer on just one job? :P<p><hr></blockquote><p>ONLY if you forgot to ask for your cash discount! <br><br>***********************<br>[color:red]Nice Try</font color=red>
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 04:24 PM

You know it, Lea! <br><br>***********************<br>[color:red]Nice Try</font color=red>
Posted by: Lea

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 04:28 PM

OK, y'all hold on. I've got the cutest new asbestos skirt . . .<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>[color:blue]I always deserve it. Really.</font color=blue><br><br>
Posted by: MicMeister

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/03/08 11:52 PM

"Most people I knew said I was stupid, that we'd save sooooo much money because of competition."<br><br>Most people do fall for that trap, even here in Finland. We've had a few utilities and services being privatized and businessized, every time with the claim of competition bringing down the prices, and keeping them down. Every time idiots bite everything and say what a good idea, until a few years later. Thanks to competition, our car registration fees went up skyrocketing, our electricity prices are also going up, although not nearly to the same extent as yours. Anyways, deregulation very rarely functions as claimed, but quite the opposite, the prices go up by private businesses and their gouging. The car registration inspection here is a perfect example. What used to be government-regulated and operated business only used to cost less than 20 euros, however the stations weren't that numerous. Well now, we have plenty of private stations getting your vehicle registered and checked, and since it is mandatory procedure by law, people have to do it annually, but the price has at least doubled already. Thanks to human nature, certain necessities and their prices shoulod always be regulated, as there will always be another conceited d!ckhed looking to maximize their profit on even those. Well, especially with the necessities, since they are sure-fire businesses.<br><br>And to Matt about the social welfare, and socialized medicine and stuff: I'd like to see a real comparison in how tax money in the states goes to policing, correctional institutes and the military compared to how much goes to education, medicine and welfare, and then take any European country and compare the same figures side by side. I'm willing to bet that spending in welfare and education especially and medicine, is a pre-emptive measure saving money spent in law enforcement and imprisonment in the long run. <br><br>
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/04/08 07:09 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>The car registration inspection here is a perfect example. What used to be government-regulated and operated business only used to cost less than 20 euros, however the stations weren't that numerous. Well now, we have plenty of private stations getting your vehicle registered and checked, and since it is mandatory procedure by law, people have to do it annually, but the price has at least doubled already.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Interesting you mention that, as here in MD emissions testing is done at government run MVA stations, while in PA where my parents live, it's done by private garages. The difference is astounding. I think my dad paid $50 for his last emissions test and had to drop his car at the garage all day. I paid $12, and was done in ten minutes while I watched them.<br><br>We don't have yearly inspections here in Maryland, only when the car is sold, but even then it's by a government inspector. In PA it's all by the private garage, and I'm amazed by the little crap they'll find and want to charge to fix. A coworker had a jeep with lights on the front that weren't entirely legal, they wanted to charge him $200 to unhook them!<br><br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/04/08 08:56 AM

The mantra of individuality--individual responsibility, individual work ethic, individual blah blah blah--is part of the way that some people like to ignore the collective frameworks that enable their individual aspirations. It's pretty complicated to show how a social collectivity makes individual success possible, but it's so very easy to crow about individual virtue. When Ben Franklin did it in his Autobiography, at least it was clear that he had his tongue firmly in his cheek.<br><br>&#63743; &#63743; &#63743; &#63743;
Posted by: DLC

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/04/08 09:18 AM

Well so much for Matt's market supply and demand...<br><br>and the trader sold the lot at a small loss ?? whoa !<br><br>David (OFI)
Posted by: FSM

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/04/08 10:15 AM

we're going to hit into the 50s . . . in January . . . in Michigan. <br><br>incredible.<br><br><img src="http://homepage.mac.com/jayhawk/.Pictures/weather_early_08.jpg" width="284" height="196" alt="caliente" /><br><br>
Posted by: Celandine

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/04/08 03:23 PM

It's that 'roller-coaster ride' that's the killer.<br>Remember my mention about the thaw/freeze cycle that heaves shrubs out of the soil?<br><br>Well, here's a few more 'goodie' for y'all...<br><br>When the temp goes up & down dramatically it has a number of effects... one of which is<br>Bud-Kill when the buds swell getting ready to sprout (leaves & flowers to pop) but when<br>the temp plunges again, the bud dies... no bud no leaves no flowers (could also mean crop-<br>loss resulting in higher prices) you can even lose the whole tree (or orchard) when the <br>sap begins to rise like it should in the spring, that then freezes solid, bursting branch, <br>limb or trunk, like a frozen water pipe. Even if the tree doesn't die outright, since the<br>bark and vascular system has been compromised making it subject to secondary fungal <br>infection as soon as spring DOES arrive. <br><br>Shall we go on to discuss "Degree Days" and how it effects crop development or both <br>beneficial & pest insects & disease? or how trees under stress give off a chemical signal<br>that alerts borers & other pests that the tree is weakened and an easy mark. The borers<br>then become the vectors of a whole plethora of secondary & tertiary diseases & viruses <br><br>IOW... <br>Matt can snigger all he pleases about climate change, 'but you can't fool Mother Nature' <br><br>**plz don't take my word for it<br>........do the research yourself.<br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green> [color:green]. . . _ _ _ . . .</font color=green><br>
Posted by: DLC

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/04/08 03:45 PM

Yeah we're headed back to the 60s in Jan !!<br><br>one thing I hate is no hard Freeze that last 2-3 weeks (we've had 3-4 nights). <br>Means the spring will bring hoards of "bugs" - skeeters, and "no see 'ems". <br>Get the OFF out now !! <br><br>David (OFI)
Posted by: Celandine

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/04/08 06:42 PM

<br>Apart from the Blood Suckers<br>the ones described above that die on root, sap, leaf & <br>fruit are bad enough...but as for the blood suckers...<br>Booohahahaha BRAIN SWELLING FEVER!!!!<br>ok, kidding and not...<br>equine encephalitis is no joke<br>(otherwise known as "West Nile Fever".)<br>and even I've been exposed to Lyme Disease.<br>SUX because it was just before Christmas,<br>Ticks SHOULD HAVE already been dormant.<br><br><br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green> [color:green]. . . _ _ _ . . .</font color=green><br>
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/09/08 02:13 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>we're going to hit into the 50s . . . in January . . . in Michigan. <br><br>incredible.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br><br><br><blockquote><br><br>MONDAYS HIGH OF 63 IS IN THE TOP 5 WARMEST TEMPERATURES EVER FOR THE<br>MONTH OF JANUARY IN GRAND RAPIDS. HERE ARE THE TOP 5...<br><br>[/i]1. 68 DEGREES 1/22/1894<br>2. 66 DEGREES 1/25/1950, 1/1/1895<br>4. 64 DEGREES 1/20/1906<br>5. 62 DEGREES 1/24/1967[/i]</blockquote><br><br>Oh my goodness! Global Warming all the way back to 1894?? Son of a ... <br><br>***********************<br>[color:red]Nice Try</font color=red>
Posted by: FSM

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/09/08 02:29 PM

you act like global warming is a myth because of some anomalies from the past. why would you even take that position? shouldn't the debate now be whether humans are the cause or not? hmmm.<br><br>here's a warming trend since the 1890s (which includes the dates from the years you've chosen):<br><br><br><br>from <a href="http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/earth_warm.html">http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/earth_warm.html</a> (one of the first links when i searched in Google -- there's much more)<br><br>honestly though, i think having this debate is the wrong strategy, Matt. you're smarter than to go down this road.<br><br>
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/09/08 02:33 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> MONDAYS HIGH OF 63 IS IN THE TOP 5 WARMEST TEMPERATURES EVER FOR THE<br> MONTH OF JANUARY IN GRAND RAPIDS. HERE ARE THE TOP 5...<br><br> 1. 68 DEGREES 1/22/1894<br> 2. 66 DEGREES 1/25/1950, 1/1/1895<br> 4. 64 DEGREES 1/20/1906<br> 5. 62 DEGREES 1/24/1967<p><hr></blockquote><p>Please research the temperatures over the last 100 years for that area, then plot us graphs on average temperature, and the number of days 10 degrees over average per winter. <br><br>If there is no upswing in either graph then your post has merit. If there is an upswing, which I'm willing to bet cash there would be, or if you're too lazy to do so, then Dave and I are going to kick you square in the nuts.<br><br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/09/08 02:35 PM

Psst... <br><br>Why does a slide listing the years of 2002, 2003, 2004 have a date stamp of May 2001 on it? ;)<br><br>edit- bah... nevermind, I see the thermal image is from that date!<br><br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by SgtBaxter on 01/09/08 05:36 PM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>
Posted by: newkojak

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/09/08 02:40 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>why would you even take that position?<p><hr></blockquote><p>Because people keep engaging him on it. He's taking a sophist stance here because he knows that people will respond to him with more and more vitriol the more ridiculous he is.<br><br>-- Charlie Alpha Roger Yankee Whiskey
Posted by: Trog

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/09/08 02:46 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>you act like global warming is a myth because of some anomalies from the past.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Maybe. Either that, or because its been described to him as a "liberal" view, therefore it can't be true.<br><br>The question I have for the people that claim to know differently can be summed up in one word... motive.<br><br>The overwhelming majority of top scientists from around the entire world now insist that climate change is happening, and that it is affected by human activity. <br><br>So, what's the motive for scientists (or liberal politicians for that matter) here? Its simple to see a reason why Republicans want to debunk it - it directly affects their financial bottom line. But, where is the motive for scientists around the world to want to pull a fast one here?<br><br>Or... the other possibility is that Matt's casual almanac observations are more accurate than decades of research by thousands of individuals around the world trained in the field.<br><br>
Posted by: Trog

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/09/08 02:48 PM

&[censored] and there was nothing to talk about here, so maybe we should be thankful.
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/09/08 02:53 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Please research the temperatures over the last 100 years for that area, then plot us graphs on average temperature, and the number of days 10 degrees over average per winter. <br><br>If there is no upswing in either graph then your post has merit. If there is an upswing, which I'm willing to bet cash there would be, or if you're too lazy to do so, then Dave and I are going to kick you square in the nuts<p><hr></blockquote><p>QUIET!<br><br>I'm busy worrying about the rapidly melting polar ice caps!<br><br><br>***********************<br>[color:red]Nice Try</font color=red>
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/09/08 03:06 PM

I won't be quiet, go do it or get a kick in the nuts. The icecaps will be around long enough for you to complete this task. Though somehow I believe they will be long melted before you do complete it.<br><br>Your Noodly Master has spoken.<br><br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!
Posted by: Celandine

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/10/08 06:07 PM

Ignoring Eddie, but talking to Trog instead:<br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p><br> In reply to:<br><br> you act like global warming is a myth because of some anomalies from the past.<br><br>Maybe. Either that, or because its been described to him as a "liberal" view, therefore it can't be true.<br><br>The question I have for the people that claim to know differently can be summed up in one word... motive.<br><br>The overwhelming majority of top scientists from around the entire world now insist that climate change is happening, and that it is affected by human activity.<br><br>So, what's the motive for scientists (or liberal politicians for that matter) here? Its simple to see a reason why Republicans want to debunk it - it directly affects their financial bottom line. But, where is the motive for scientists around the world to want to pull a fast one here?<br><br>Or... the other possibility is that Matt's casual almanac observations are more accurate than decades of research by thousands of individuals around the world trained in the field.<br><p><hr></blockquote><p>What the heck?<br>I was drifting in & out smiling & playing videos on my iPod<br>when lo & behold... "An Inconvenient Truth" begins playing.<br><br>The scene is set with a crowd of people, gathered to listen to<br>Al Gore give his slideshow for the umpteenth time:<br>Introducing himself with his dry humoresque; <br>"Hello, my name is Al Gore... I used to be the next president <br>of the United States." laughter & applause............<br><br><br>and I thought... Oh Yeah! dint the stoopid twins useta' shoot<br>the messenger by telling everybody that he was just doing <br>"all that" just to forward his political career? <br><br><br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green> [color:green]. . . _ _ _ . . .</font color=green><br>
Posted by: Trog

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/10/08 08:02 PM

Nah, he was whoring for a Nobel prize. <br><br>
Posted by: lanovami

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/10/08 08:08 PM

I just got off the phone with my sister in Iowa and she said last week it was quite warm with a few tornado warnings. Tornado warnings in January!! I have no memory of anything of this sort happening before.<br><br>We are what we repeatedly do. -Aristotle
Posted by: newkojak

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 04:18 AM

There have been tornados in Illinois in January before for example, but they have never been as far North as they were last week. It was a pretty anomalous event, but perhaps a little bit of a preview of the future climate if the jet stream cycles as drastically as it has been.<br><br>-- Charlie Alpha Roger Yankee Whiskey
Posted by: DLC

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 06:01 AM

"Tornado warnings in January!! I have no memory of anything of this sort happening before."<br><br>According to Matt its as common as ants & flies at a picnic !! <br><br>David (OFI)
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 07:01 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>According to Matt its as common as ants & flies at a picnic !!<p><hr></blockquote><p>Nope! Just that it's alllll happened before ... <br><br><blockquote>January 24, 1967 an F4 tornado ripped a path through St. Louis County, the third worst tornado in St. Louis history, 3 dead and 216 injured. An outbreak of 32 tornadoes struck the central U.S. with 14 tornadoes in Iowa , 9 in Missouri , 8 in Illinois , and 1 in Wisconsin . Never had there been a recorded tornado in Iowa in January until this day. 7 people were killed in this outbreak. This was the furthest north tornado outbreak ever recorded for the winter season.</blockquote><br><br>Waaaaa? A January Tornado BEFORE the Global Warming Gore Roar? Now THAT'S an Inconvenient Truth! <br><br><br><br>***********************<br>[color:red]Nice Try</font color=red>
Posted by: bird

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 07:32 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>According to Matt its as common as ants & flies at a picnic !!<p><hr></blockquote><p>Yep as common as a flock of <br>As usual his GW post was just another continuing example of his same old pot stirring<br> <br><br>
Posted by: DLC

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 08:28 AM

ever heard of a word called Frequency, Matt ?<br><br>yeah if you have one 105&#730; F Day in the summer ... well it's just summer.<br> But if you have 20 days of 105&#730; F... I guess it's ALL the same = 105&#730; F happened once before. <br><br>David (OFI)
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 08:50 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>But if you have 20 days of 105? F... I guess it's ALL the same = 105? F happened once before.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Let me know when the midwest has 20 days of January Tornadoes and I'll be more than happy to jump on board the Al Gore Express to Melting Ice Caps park. Otherwise, January Tornadoes in the midwest aren't unheard of. <br><br>***********************<br>
Posted by: Celandine

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 09:06 AM

BAD-A-BING-O! <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p><br><br> Hobbies: " Tugging braying Ja... "<br><br><p><hr></blockquote><p>[color:white]. . . . . . . </font color=white>OK, You WIN "...DOUCHEBAG!"<br><br><br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green> [color:green]. . . _ _ _ . . .</font color=green><br>
Posted by: DLC

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 10:12 AM

"Otherwise, January Tornadoes in the midwest aren't unheard of. "<br><br>yes, they are RARE. = doesn't happen often, but they've had several the past week in several states. <br><br>...frequency and number Matt, ...frequency and number ... and this is just one change in weather patterns... <br><br>David (OFI)
Posted by: newkojak

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 10:17 AM

The tornado in Racine Country, Wisconsin last week is now the northern-most January tornado on the books. January tornadoes are rare, but have occurred in downstate Illinois in the last century. No one knows if one has been north of Chicago in January though since before weather records were being collected.<br><br>Skepticism about global warming is one thing, but purely from a conservation standpoint, it makes no sense to just go on pumping carbon dioxide into the atmosphere at growing and growing levels. I personally want to leave this world in some pretty good shape when my ticket is up. To do otherwise is remarkably selfish.<br><br>-- Charlie Alpha Roger Yankee Whiskey
Posted by: Celandine

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 10:47 AM

yeah, there was one yesterday too...<br>I heard it on the news as I was coming to<br>from my post breakie sugar coma...<br><br>I was also awakened during the light by<br>several claps of thunder. Yeah... lightening<br>is another rare occurrence during mid winter.<br><br>...but who's counting? <br><br><br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green> [color:green]. . . _ _ _ . . .</font color=green><br>
Posted by: Llewelyn

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 11:20 AM

Snow in Baghdad today!<br><br>Is that like hell freezing over?<br><br>I used to think it was terrible that life was unfair. Then I thought what if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen came because we really deserved them? Now I take comfort in the general unfairness and hostility of the universe.
Posted by: Celandine

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 11:25 AM

<br>yes<br><br><br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green> [color:green]. . . _ _ _ . . .</font color=green><br>
Posted by: DLC

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 11:27 AM

LOL !! Good one, Llewelyn !<br><br>I'll tell ya a true story... went to a meeting in New Orleans one March (mid-1980s) and didn't take a heavy coat. A bad Cold front blew in and we all about froze our azzes off... very windy too.<br><br>I couldn't believe it would be that cold in N.O. <br><br>And that proves there really is no Global Warming !! <br><br>David (OFI)
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 11:35 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> it makes no sense to just go on pumping carbon dioxide into the atmosphere at growing and growing levels. I personally want to leave this world in some pretty good shape when my ticket is up. To do otherwise is remarkably selfish.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Then stop breathing. And never, ever, ever ride in gas burning, oil consuming vehicle ever again. <br><br>***********************<br>
Posted by: Celandine

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 11:50 AM

<br>Are you arguing that it's NOT a rare occurrence?<br>...or were you just being flippant about it?<br><br><br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green> [color:green]. . . _ _ _ . . .</font color=green><br>
Posted by: Celandine

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 11:57 AM

Shift Happens! <br>LOL <br>We froze our coconuts off <br>on Flagler Beach one year.<br><br>Seriously! The coconuts that <br>we were bringing back from <br>the Keys as souvenirs froze <br>solid in the boot of our car &<br>had to the thrown away.<br><br>It was the same year Florida <br>lost almost it's entire stock<br>of orange groves. <br><br>Luckily, these things don't<br>occur with any regularity.<br><br>Funny it should come up... <br>I had just mentioned it to <br>treebeard just yesterday...<br>I told him about losing so<br>many orchards and mused <br>if it was his nursery that<br>may have supplied the <br>replacements...<br><br>Typically. he "smilied" &<br>sed: "It's wot I "do"." <br><br>I replied "It's an ill wind<br>that blows no one any good." <br><br><br><br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green> [color:green]. . . _ _ _ . . .</font color=green><br>
Posted by: newkojak

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 12:19 PM

No one is suggesting that anyone do that.<br><br>However, I did feel pretty bad about flying to Nashville and also flying to Sacramento last year. Those two flights put more CO2 into the atmosphere than driving my car all year long.<br><br>The point however is not necessarily just feeling bad or blaming people individually. We need to work as a whole market to create cleaner alternatives. If we charged the real end cost of fossil fuels including the health effects of heavy particulate matter and the costs we pay to secure it all, everyone would be mad about coal and oil because it hurt our economy. Since those charges are hidden from us in our high medical bills and tremendous defense budget, we act as though doing anything different would be too expensive.<br><br>-- Charlie Alpha Roger Yankee Whiskey
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 12:26 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>However, I did feel pretty bad about flying to Nashville and also flying to Sacramento last year. Those two flights put more CO2 into the atmosphere than driving my car all year long.<p><hr></blockquote><p>In all seriousness .. joking aside .. you felt bad about flying? <br><br>***********************<br>
Posted by: Celandine

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 12:32 PM

it's a "Black & White" trap<br>you say "cut back"<br>they say "quit breathing"<br><br>no one wants to stop breathing<br>ergo no one has a reason to cut back<br><br>LOL IOW ...SAVE YER BREATH...<br><br><br><br><br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green> [color:green]. . . _ _ _ . . .</font color=green><br>
Posted by: polymerase

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 12:55 PM

If you look at per person CO2 emissions the average person in the US should feel bad about something:<br><br>U.S. Per Person emissions<br>24.3 tons CO2/person/year<br>Japan Per Person emissions<br>10.7 tons CO2/person/year<br>E.U. Per Person emissions<br>10.6 tons CO2/person/year<br>China Per Person emissions<br>3.9 tons CO2/person/year<br>India Per Person emissions<br>1.9 tons CO2/person/year<br>World average Per Person emissions<br>5.6 tons CO2/person/year<br><br>Flying is one of the most wasteful CO2 emitting things anyone can do at 1.36 pounds of CO2 per mile traveled per passenger. So my flight out to San Diego and back last week was over 4 tons of CO2 produced and my flight out to Salt Lake and back next month will be 2.5 tons. So using up what the average person in the world expends in just those two trips is an eye opener. So in all seriousness we should find ways to cut back on these trips. <br><br>I've tried successfully to cut back on business trips. For vacation I will just continue to feel bad but I'll still do it. I think exposing my family to other world cultures has more of a payoff which counteracts the myopic view of people who do not travel out of one's home country. Unfortunately air travel is the only sensible way to get to Europe.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: lanovami

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 01:11 PM

You know, Matt, I respect your point that it could all be that we just don't know enough about climate and in the long run, there is nothing to worry about. But the world has never had so many people before, and never had so many making such an impact; so to be on the safe side shouldn't we try doing something just in case?<br><br>Having said, the "do something" line, I will say I was not impressed going home this Christmas. Al Gore is all over the news, but almost everyone I visited on my trip home was more wasteful than I remembered. Some examples: My family never ever used to throw away aluminum cans (5 cents deposit, get 7 of em and you have another can of cola!), but they do now. I was floored. They said they don't have the space, but it is a hell of a lot more space than I have in Japan. And the number of SUVs on the road was mind boggling, and I asked my friends to hit their mileage button for me to confirm their ridiculous gas mileage. The number of SUVs with one driver at the wheel in Los Angeles almost made me develop a hacking cough on sight alone.<br><br>I couldn't believe the waste. Japan can be wasteful too, but as one example, I have met very few people who don't recycle aluminum cans, even though there is no deposit here. Of course, just recycling cans is not going to save the world, but it's one example. Maybe regulated "carbon footprints (on an individual and corporate level) should be legislated like car seats and taxes. Ways around such legislation would almost immediately be devised, but it would be a start.<br><br>And, as I am rambling, I must soberly say that as much as we gab about it, I think we all know that things are going to have to get a lot worse before any real, unilateral changes are made to slow our impact on the environment. It's human nature.<br><br>We are what we repeatedly do. -Aristotle
Posted by: lanovami

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 01:14 PM

"Is that like hell freezing over?"<br><br>No, it's the Garden of Eden freezing over.<br><br>We are what we repeatedly do. -Aristotle
Posted by: lanovami

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 01:39 PM

This list is interesting, not an argument either way, just interesting.<br><br> LIst of countries by CO2 emissions<br><br>We are what we repeatedly do. -Aristotle
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 01:43 PM

You can download the first chapter of Plan B 3.0: Mobilizing to Save Civilization for free. And you can download the whole book by sometime next week.<br><br>&#63743; &#63743; &#63743; &#63743;
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 02:18 PM

Interesting link, I wonder what shade China/India are today?<br><br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!
Posted by: Celandine

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 02:42 PM

<br>My feeling on the matter is that 1st world <br>countries have the knowledge and where <br>with all to over come the pitfalls of the past, <br>rather than sitting on it's hands blaming <br>the 3rd world nations for trying to catch <br>up in today's world.<br><br>We know how we got here, and know NOW<br>how it could have been avoided, and now<br>have the technology to find ways of avoiding<br>it from happening again. It's to OUR OWN<br>BEST INTEREST to help these people into<br>the world of solar & renewable energy,<br>instead of using them as an Excuse for not <br>making changes in our own country, and<br>theirs as well (even as I said for our own<br>self interest, if you like... being that Global <br>Pollution knows no boundries.)<br><br>Yeah, I know... it's my own damn view of the <br>world that helps each other, rather than step-<br>ping on each other chasing the all mitey buck.<br><br>duh<br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green> [color:green]. . . _ _ _ . . .</font color=green><br>
Posted by: newkojak

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 04:23 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>In all seriousness .. joking aside .. you felt bad about flying?<p><hr></blockquote><p>All joking aside, yes.<br><br>I don't feel horrible about flying. It's not something I think about too much or anything that would put me on the street marching (or hassling family members either). It is something though that I think about when I think about my own environmental footprint and it informs my decisions when I vote and talk about politics. I'll probably fly again too since there is no practical alternative in my personal life to conveniently get out to California to visit my family. What is there left to do?<br><br>So it's not a crazy big deal, but it's something that I know so it's something that I should consider.<br><br>-- Charlie Alpha Roger Yankee Whiskey
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 04:36 PM

Sheesh . . . Thinking about something other than yourself? What are you? A socialist?<br><br>&#63743; &#63743; &#63743; &#63743;
Posted by: Celandine

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 04:39 PM

<br>Being aware of one's carbon footprint is the first step to <br>learning to offset the overall yearly total.<br>Contrary to the republican solution (Either all or nothing)<br>there are small painless trade-offs that allows us to live<br>in a manor to which we've become accustom, and not add to<br>the overall problem. (not crap on each other in the process) <br><br>click on the [color:green]S.O.S.</font color=green> in my sigline for a shortcut to some<br>ideas & suggestions.<br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green> [color:green]. . . _ _ _ . . .</font color=green><br>
Posted by: Llewelyn

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 06:32 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>But the world has never had so many people before, and never had so many making such an impact; so to be on the safe side shouldn't we try doing something just in case?<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>Could that be another reason ole George went to war in Iraq, in his own way he's trying to reduce the number of people having an impact on the climate?<br><br>I used to think it was terrible that life was unfair. Then I thought what if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen came because we really deserved them? Now I take comfort in the general unfairness and hostility of the universe.
Posted by: newkojak

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 07:08 PM

I'm not all that short of cred in that area. I like to gloat that I almost have an incandescent-free apartment. I wear sweaters during the winter, use my own canvas shopping bags, and plan to organize a carpool program at work.<br><br>These things aren't just environmental things though. They are all purely economical. I wouldn't have been so quick to adopt CFL and LED lighting if it didn't pay off in the electric bill so quickly. My local grocery store gives me five cents off my total for every bag I bring. Splitting a carpool with one person would probably also save me at least $20 a month. You don't have to be an environmentalist to see the economical benefits of being a little more 'green'.<br><br>Similar adjustments could be made at a much larger scale, involving different technologies and save everyone money. It just takes the will of a people to make the pragmatic argument for it.<br><br>-- Charlie Alpha Roger Yankee Whiskey
Posted by: Celandine

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 08:36 PM

<br>Exactly. Every little bit helps.<br>Same as you... Every light in and around my house is CFB or LED<br>Canvas bags my BF insisted on a 4 wheel drive to deal with our<br>NJ winters and to accommodate my wheelchair... we compromised<br>by investing in a Compact Mini SUV. I recyle, I refill water bottles.<br><br>I've unplugged all my recharge units when not in use, shut down<br>my Mac at night, started wearing slippers, a shawl, and as of this<br>year, even a soft fluffy beret type hat to keep me toasty, rather<br>that push up the heat in the apartment. I even heat kettles of water <br>on the stove to do the dishes, rather than fire up the hot water heater <br>when it's not really necessary. I also stopped driving Ted to work <br>every day, which saves us a TON of money. I learned to do my errands <br>in the evening, or on the weekends, rather than make multiple trips <br>during the day, I plan my errands & my route to save driving to and <br>fro as much as possible. It's all nickle and dime stuff, but it adds up. <br><br><br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green> [color:green]. . . _ _ _ . . .</font color=green><br>
Posted by: garyW

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/11/08 08:52 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>... because its been described to him as a "liberal" view, therefore it can't be true.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: Celandine

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/12/08 03:52 AM

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Posted by: MattMac112

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/12/08 03:03 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Yes, back to $3.20 a gallon after they hit $4 in a few weeks. I'd be shocked to ever see gas less than $3 a gallon ever again. How about this, if they don't go back down below $3 by February, can I come over and kick you square in the nuts wearing steel tipped boots?<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>Hey Sarge .. I don't know how you're gonna do it, but you better get your steel tipped boots ready ... to kick yourself square in the nuts. <br><br><br><br><br>***********************<br>
Posted by: mojo_jojo

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/12/08 03:09 PM

The futures markets are responding to the coming US recession. <br><br>I was at a meeting last week with a large group of business people. The consensus was that the economy will turn one way or the other during the third quarter this year. ie. if it looks like it is going D the economy will go into a natural dem induced free fall. But if it is to be a R win then we are still on course. <br><br>
Posted by: polymerase

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/12/08 05:20 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>The futures markets are responding to the coming US recession. <br><br>I was at a meeting last week with a large group of business people. The consensus was that the economy will turn one way or the other during the third quarter this year. ie. if it looks like it is going D the economy will go into a natural dem induced free fall. But if it is to be a R win then we are still on course. <br><p><hr></blockquote><p>Really? Do you hang with arms suppliers oil and insurance? I was chatting with biotech business people and they said the opposite. Well you had it half right. If the Dems win there is hope the biotech and associated tech industries catch fire. If the Reps win we are still on course for Armageddon and a national debt that is a sea anchor on everything. The dollar deflates so that the USA becomes the new Mexico of Europe. A good place to retire and take big euros and rip off the locals with their cheap dollars. (They're already doing that, even the canucks.) Our dollar really goes up in smoke as China decides our debt is too big and they get to decide since they now own most of it. (We sold them it to pay for Iraq and tax cuts.)<br><br>The cheap gas will continue for a couple more years as companies deny this is all happening.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: garyW

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/12/08 05:35 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>...if it looks like it is going D the economy will go into a natural dem induced free fall. But if it is to be a R win then we are still on course.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Mojo, my friend, with that statement I think you deserve the honorary title of the forum's "Filipino Monkey" <br><br>Gee, no one has noticed what's happened to the dollar globally, or our housing market, or jobs, or the war debt ... it'll be the election of a Dem that will tank the economy. Ha.<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: mojo_jojo

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/12/08 06:23 PM

Yes it is true. The markets have been reacting already to the possibility of a democrat POTUS. Hence the recent uncertainty we are experiencing in the dollar, housing. jobs, etc. <br><br>
Posted by: polymerase

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/12/08 07:03 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>he markets have been reacting already to the possibility of a democrat POTUS.<p><hr></blockquote><p>That is truly hilarious. Where do you get your material? This had to be written down in the bunker with Cheney and Rove.<br><br>The 100 buck a barrel oil is already the new Democratic President's fault.<br>Our debt owned by China is already the new Democratic President's fault.<br>The ever weakening dollar is already the new Democratic President's fault.<br>The housing market collapse is already the new Democratic President's fault.<br><br>Whoever this new Dem President is they already seem to have superpowers. I know that the new Democratic President is going to get all of the blame while he or she cleans up Bush's mess but you are really ahead of the curve on this one.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/12/08 07:34 PM

That's because business knows perfectly well that only a democratic president will be responsible enough to balance the budget. Business would rather have those deficit-spending Keynesian republicans.<br><br>Oh what has the world come to!<br><br>&#63743; &#63743; &#63743; &#63743;
Posted by: bird

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/12/08 08:08 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Oh what has the world come to!<p><hr></blockquote><p> A mix of shaken (never stirred), bastards <br><br>
Posted by: lanovami

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/12/08 10:57 PM

"But if it is to be a R win then we are still on course. "<br><br>Oh yes, I suspect there are a lot of rich people sitting around in meeting rooms hemming and hawing over how it is not going to be nearly as easy under the Democrats. Boo fukking hoo.<br><br>We are what we repeatedly do. -Aristotle
Posted by: DLC

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/13/08 07:33 AM

I have to agree with Gary, Poly, and Yoyo, and others... the market doesn't care Who is in the WH, what they do care about is the policies in place. I think the market did great during the Clinton years... the 2000-2001 downturn wasn't due to Clinton per se but the Dot-com- bust ! One reason the 90's were great was the $ was stong... we got our fiscal house in order... began paying off the debt- had a surplus... huge growth in jobs >20,000.... even with the increase in taxes on the top 5%... it was still booming - that's a fact - go back and look at the numbers !<br><br>Look today... huge debts ($9 trillion), huge deficits $500 Billion + (they take the war costs OFF the table - how about if I take my home mortgage off mine ?? ), mortgage crisis, stuck in a costly war with no end in sight... exports at record high... very weak $... jobs losses = unemployment going up. THAT's what the market is reacting to. <br><br>to say it's anything else is absurd, silly, and groundless.<br><br>David (OFI)
Posted by: polymerase

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/13/08 08:06 AM

And you should take a lesson in mojo presidential economics (MPE) and blame the dot com collapse to investors realizing there was a chance George Bush could actually win! Using MPE the world now makes sense.<br><br>
Posted by: mojo_jojo

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/13/08 09:28 AM

You're close. But if you remember algore had more of the popular vote in 2000. The markets are THAT sensitive. Luckily GW actually won and the economy had to get over that slight hiccup of possibility that a D was going to be in office. The economy finally hit the right altitude along about late '02 under a GOP admin. No need to thank us. <br><br>
Posted by: garyW

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/13/08 10:49 AM

The dot com bubble that boosted the economy and wiped out the debt was because of the anticipation of Bob Dole winning the WH!<br><br>Now it all makes sense!<br><br>
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/14/08 10:04 AM

no, I'm still going to kick you in the nuts, as it hasn't went below $3.15 here.<br><br>Super hasn't dropped at all, still 3.45.<br><br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/14/08 02:30 PM

It's 3.25 around here, give or take a penny.<br><br>&#63743; &#63743; &#63743; &#63743;
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/14/08 02:53 PM

Really yoyo, what's the matter with us? Don't we realize the world starts and stops within the field of Matt's vision? How dare we mention differing information?<br><br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/14/08 03:55 PM

I know. I'm already hanging my head in shame. How could I have such a wide range of experiences?!<br><br>&#63743; &#63743; &#63743; &#63743;
Posted by: polymerase

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/14/08 04:10 PM

The difference is that in Indiana they subsidize gasoline instead of taxing it. I lived there 15 years. They have to do stuff like that to keep the population from doing the mass exodus. <br><br>I paid 27 cents for my first pack of Tareytons in Indianapolis. Wasn't their motto, "I would rather be cheap than move"?<br><br>
Posted by: Llewelyn

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/14/08 04:14 PM

Saw $2.89 on the way home today, in MI<br><br>I used to think it was terrible that life was unfair. Then I thought what if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen came because we really deserved them? Now I take comfort in the general unfairness and hostility of the universe.
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/14/08 04:23 PM

I think Matt's no longer in IN, although I'm sure Indiana wants him and he keeps saying, "Lord I can't go back there."<br><br>&#63743; &#63743; &#63743; &#63743;
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/14/08 04:25 PM

Good. I hope the price drops even more. But the cost of petroleum is a little like global warming--no doubt there'll be ups and downs, but the trend is ever upwards. And I hate to say this, but that's exactly how it should be. It's a finite commodity, and we all know about supply-demand curves.<br><br>&#63743; &#63743; &#63743; &#63743;
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/14/08 06:54 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Really yoyo, what's the matter with us? Don't we realize the world starts and stops within the field of Matt's vision? How dare we mention differing information?<p><hr></blockquote><p><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Yes, back to $3.20 a gallon after they hit $4 in a few weeks. I'd be shocked to ever see gas less than $3 a gallon ever again. How about this, if they don't go back down below $3 by February, can I come over and kick you square in the nuts wearing steel tipped boots?<p><hr></blockquote><p>Hey Sarge .. Maryland gas prices are under $3.00 per "sky is falling" gallon (and we're only half way through January!):<br><br> <br><br>Maybe if you'd quit spending money at CompUSA, you'd have more jack to dump in your tank and a lot less to bitch about. <br><br>***********************<br>
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/15/08 05:17 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Hey Sarge .. Maryland gas prices are under $3.00<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>ooo great, why don't you list someplace that doesn't take me an hour to drive to? I live on the MD/PA border and purchase my gas in Hanover, PA where this morning it was $3.15.<br><br>When gas is $2.25 like it was 6 months ago your silly argument might have some merit. As it is, right now it costs me $0.90 more per gallon then it did a short while ago.<br><br>Still, I don't need to work 3 jobs like some folks around here.<br><br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/15/08 06:57 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>When gas is $2.25 like it was 6 months ago your silly argument might have some merit.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Blah blah blah ... Point is you were moaning and groaning that gas would never fall below $3.00 per gallon again, and just a few short weeks later it did! <br><br><br>***********************<br>
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/15/08 07:35 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Point is you were moaning and groaning that gas would never fall below $3.00 per gallon again<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>Gas has not fallen below $3 a gallon in Hanover, PA. A few months ago it was $2.25. Care to try again?<br><br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/15/08 07:51 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Gas has not fallen below $3 a gallon in Hanover, PA. A few months ago it was $2.25. Care to try again?<p><hr></blockquote><p>Yep. You weren't "Hanover, PA" specific in your original sky-is-falling post. But hey .. keep on changing what you "meant" to say. <br><br>When gas falls under $3.00 per gallon in Hanover, PA, you'll "yeahbut" that the gas station isn't .56 miles from your house. <br><br>***********************<br>
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/15/08 08:22 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>But hey .. keep on changing what you "meant" to say. <p><hr></blockquote><p><br>No, what I've said all along is that energy prices have skyrocketed under Bush, something you've yet to disprove. <br><br>When Bush took office the national price of gas was $1.45. So what's that, a 200% increase in price? <br><br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!
Posted by: Llewelyn

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/15/08 08:41 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>When Bush took office the national price of gas was $1.45. So what's that, a 200% increase in price?<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>I've yet to see gas at $4.35/gal, though I didn't check CA prices.<br><br>I used to think it was terrible that life was unfair. Then I thought what if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen came because we really deserved them? Now I take comfort in the general unfairness and hostility of the universe.
Posted by: DLC

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/15/08 09:09 AM

ah I think Sarge was correct....<br><br>price today $3.00 / $1.45 (2001) = c 200%<br><br><br>where did the $4.35 come from ? AH I see... Sarge said 200% "Increase"... ah ,...no just 200% as much. <br><br>regardless it's painful, exp with a 6+% increase in inflation.<br><br>besides $4.35 ... Bush hasn't left office yet ( he's working on it- but ya know it's "hard wurk" ! <br><br>David (OFI)
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/15/08 10:35 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>When Bush took office the national price of gas was $1.45. So what's that, a 200% increase in price?<p><hr></blockquote><p>The national price of gas during the summer of 2000 skyrocketed as well and was more than $1.45 ... It goes without saying that Governor Bush wasn't yet in the White House. <br><br>So tell me Sarge, if George Walker Bush is such a moron and a monkey, how does he control the price of gasoline from the Oval Office? Any other special powers he has that you'd like to tell me about? <br><br>***********************<br>
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/15/08 11:04 AM

I believe he controls the price of oil by not controlling anything at all--from his epiglottis to the other end of the alimentary canal.<br><br>&#63743; &#63743; &#63743; &#63743;
Posted by: newkojak

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/15/08 11:05 AM

... mainly through neglect<br><br>I distinctly remember during Clinton's term repeated diplomatic pressure put on OPEC to loosen oil restrictions and increase production. Nowadays the Bush Administration is staffed with many people from the oil industry whose former employers (or current depending on how cynical you think they are) benefit from high prices. It's unlikely that George W. Bush himself is going to OPEC and singlehandedly reducing production, but it's not unlikely that the administration simply does not think keeping oil prices low is a priority.<br><br>The proof is in the price of that thick, black pudding.<br><br>-- Charlie Alpha Roger Yankee Whiskey
Posted by: garyW

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/15/08 01:13 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I believe he controls the price of oil by not controlling anything at all--from his epiglottis to the other end of the alimentary canal.<p><hr></blockquote><p>I believe those were the exact words the Saudi's used yesterday in response to Bush's visit.<br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: polymerase

Re: GLOBAL WARMING!! - 01/15/08 03:50 PM

Ah, now I get it. That was a fancy way of saying ESAD.<br><br>