Political Forum

Posted by: StanFlack

Political Forum - 01/18/07 12:20 PM

This forum was set up originally to discuss issues (at our member's request) during the last US presidential election. However, I have been monitoring this for a while and it is getting a bit out of hand. MacMinute is not a political commentary site, and while we welcome open debate on issues, we are getting a bit off focus here. I sincerely don't want to close the board, but I will watch it for a few more weeks and make a decision. It is not the debate that is a problem, rather it is the extreme right or left views that cause me concern. We are a Mac site and healthy conversation is welcomed, but I am seeing more and more harsh, racist, and derogatory posts being made. That is not what we are here for and I will not support it.<br><br>I just wanted to be open with my readers and let you know. Please keep it in check and all will be well. However, if it continues as it has been going, I will shut it down.<br><br>Many thanks for your consideration,<br><br>Stan Flack<br>Publisher<br><br>
Posted by: garyW

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 12:31 PM

Stan,<br>Will you please indicate which threads are a problem? It certainly seems that civility has returned to this forum since your Moderator cleaned house and there are many worthwhile discussions happening.<br><br>Seems to me like you're about three months late with your concern.<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: lanovami

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 12:41 PM

Admittedly, I haven't been around here as much in the past few months, but I don't know where it is you are talking about, Stan. The most right wing poster(s) were booted out unceremoniously recently. Of course, I could have missed some posts...<br><br>I can't help but wondering, and I could be wrong, that one of the posts you were thinking of is "proof that gay marriage is normal" a few threads down from here. It is not a negative nor derogatory post. Steve's point is that now we are starting to see a few people who formed same sex union's in the changing political climate starting to apply for divorce, which proves they are no different from heterosexual couples, so what was all the fuss about the issue in the first place? At least that is my reading of it. But maybe you weren't talking about that post and I am wasting keyboard time...<br><br>Ahem, anyway, what a sticky wicket up there in Congress, hey?<br><br>We are what we repeatedly do. -Aristotle
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 12:45 PM

Ditto what gary just said! The zune you speak of was waist deep several months ago. But this place has been a regular charm school since September. IMHO, I'd be more concerned about the pharma and porn spam being visited upon the Local lately if I were you.<br><br>Please 'splain what posts/threads you're referring to. 10-Q.<br><br><br>
Posted by: sean

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 12:47 PM

i have only recently checked into this forum after a very long absence(s). i am already bored of this forum again. i feel like i am on macliberals forum again and i got bored there as well. but, i also didn't like how spiteful things got here. <br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by sean on 01/18/07 05:11 PM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 12:49 PM

Oh sure. Blame it on me. <br><br>At least you nailed the drift of my gay divorce post. <br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 12:54 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>i would like to see this forum deleted and all of the posts in it.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Do I have to start calling you lower case sean in honor of Matt? Will that bring back some balance? Sheesh!<br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 12:55 PM

He may be referring to Lester getting on my case over that misplaced apostrophe. That was pretty hostile.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: sean

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 12:58 PM

i don't like that my full name is listed in this forum. google picked that up. now when my students search google for me, they find this forum. i don't mind what i've said here, but i also don't particularly enjoy my students knowing me this intimately. <br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by sean on 01/18/07 05:12 PM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:05 PM

That's a pretty egocentric reason sean. Pissing in Matt's general direction for doing what he did to you (and a few others, I believe) is one thing. But take down the whole board one that most enjoy (which is why they're here daily) is a bit over the top. And I'm sure there are google hits that link to your other above-the-line activities and accomplishments, too. Life in the Internet age, bubba. We're all exposed.<br><br>
Posted by: Leslie

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:08 PM

I must have blinked and missed a whole whack of "extreme right or left views". I actually thought we had some "healthy conversation" going on. Most of us are not thin-skinned and enjoy the repartee. If one or the other strays, a subtle or terse tongue lashing is quick to follow. <br>As previously requested - please advise the impetus of your "scolding" .<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: lanovami

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:09 PM

Hey Sean, couldn't you always ask to have your user and all its posts erased? Then you could come back on as another handle. I doubt your students would be diligent enough to find you.<br><br>We are what we repeatedly do. -Aristotle
Posted by: Leslie

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:09 PM

So it is personal, it has nothing to do with what we believe or say.<br><br>
Posted by: Leslie

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:10 PM

The damn uniform didn't fit very well either - I resign. :)<br><br>
Posted by: sean

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:13 PM

even without my twerpy rationale, i tend to agree with stan about this particular forum outliving its purpose. then again, i was always against creating a separate politix forum.<br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05
Posted by: sean

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:14 PM

i could. i think it would be much easier to just delete the few posts here that contain my last name. if i was concerned enough, i'd probably have done that. <br><br>i don't really wish for everyone to lose their posts. i'd much rather see this forum just combined with the lounge.<br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:16 PM

Ok. Now gimme a hug. <br><br><br><br>See that Stan. We DO play nice after all. <br><br>
Posted by: garyW

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:17 PM

So, then what Sean? Are we "allowed" to post political topics in the Lounge or will there be whining again about that? I'd prefer to have it all in one forum anyway, but I do remember many forum members asked to have us banished here to the lonely Soapbox. <br><br>
Posted by: StanFlack

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:17 PM

No, I don't want or need to be that specific. I hate any form of censorship within reason. I have just been getting a larger than usual number of complaints over the past month or so, and just want to ask you ya'll take it easy. Debate is good. Debate is needed. But let's try to keep it civil, OK? I think that is pretty reasonable.. <br><br>
Posted by: garyW

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:20 PM

Are these complaints perhaps from forum members that the Mod outed? Who else is there but the people left posting here, this has been a small group to begin with?<br><br><br>The Lounge is just fine to discuss politically relevant topics... you'll just upset those people who are currently glad it all happens here.<br><br><br>
Posted by: sean

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:20 PM

i think the lounge just becomes like the lounge at MC and non-mac issues are contained there . . . and that would include political topics.<br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:21 PM

I disagree. I'd be concerned that the political threads might eventually swamp the Lounge, and that would certainly drive away a lot of high value members that prefer not to talk politics.<br><br>
Posted by: lanovami

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:21 PM

I always felt the same about Peanuts, Garfield (and is B.C. still around?) and they just keep limping on and on and on...<br><br>This forum was set aside for the impending elections a few years ago. Well, if it was worth setting aside then, then there is another set of elections ahead already starting to garner a lot of attention so....<br><br>We are what we repeatedly do. -Aristotle
Posted by: DLC

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:21 PM

yeah I agree with them both, Stan....<br><br> the forum is more progressive now than ever before, BUT I think it's that many "righties" who supported Bush and his illegal actions now have no logical way to defend him... how do you defend torture, illegal wire taps, secret porisons, no trials, all the lies with Iraq invasion etc.?? <br>Bush left them with no grounds to stand on.<br><br>so those previous members which gave the forum balance (though looney sometimes) have melted away.... Is that our fault ? <br><br>And as far as using the forum for the last election, the political arenas are already heating up again for 2008. I think it's too soon, but the media is driving lots of this. So keep the Forum Open.<br><br>Hey who good for the Dem ticket ??... <br>which GOP candidates would be best forthat party?<br><br>I think many righties could defend the new candidates. Their track record is 1000% better than Bush's. and many differ with him on many important issues. Look at Arnold in CA !!<br><br>David (OFI)
Posted by: sean

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:22 PM

do we still have the moderator that came around not too long ago. for some reason, i thought i saw that the moderator's account had been deleted.<br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05
Posted by: OSXaddict

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:24 PM

Apparently the moderator is gone for whatever reason.<br><br>
Posted by: sean

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:28 PM

the other forum i participate on regularly has plenty of conservatives who continue to post. some of them support the additional troops and some of them don't, but they are very active. most aren't big bush supporters, but they still argue vehemently about how nice they think the economy is now doing and a host of other topics. this place here is completely one sided. the folks who were more independent and probably bush supporters have completely changed their position (e.g., steveg) and the folks who were on the right have just left.<br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by sean on 01/18/07 05:14 PM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>
Posted by: lanovami

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:30 PM

Man, I just checked myself. The MMMod is gone. What was the point of all that fuss n feathers? Even when I was against the Mod, I figured he/she would be around longer than that. Is it a "my work is done here" situation or what? Humph.<br><br>We are what we repeatedly do. -Aristotle
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:31 PM

Which comes back to gary's first comment. I can't imagine what there has been to complain about. There hasn't been a cat fight or mud slinging or a personal attack in months! Sure the board has listed heavily to one side, but that's because those who espoused the other POV have long since left. And the socks have disappeared, too.<br><br>Debate IS good. I wish we had some!<br><br>
Posted by: OSXaddict

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:31 PM

I'm a conservative but there are a lot of things I don't agree with what Bush is doing. I really don't know about the whole Iraq situation as part of me thinks that we should withdraw, but then where does that leave the area? What kind of mess will we have if we leave? Then again, I don't want any more troops being harmed either. I just hope for the best.<br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:35 PM

Wow. Thanks, man. We owe ya big time.<br><br>
Posted by: Leslie

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:41 PM

Lea and Celandine should never have gone out for lunch together - look what they are missing. :)<br><br>
Posted by: garyW

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:43 PM

I think there's more behind "larger than usual number of complaints over the past month or so" than we are being told. If this statement was made 6 months ago then it would be correct. When I personally contacted Stan while in the midst of the sock attack and anti-Muslim postbombing, nothing was done. But these complaints now?<br><br>The past month or so has been sluggish and mild here in the Soapbox, unless you're some type of neurotic obsessive compulsive that gets upset that liberals actually have some valid points of view based in reality and have a place to discuss it among friends. <br><br><br>[bleh!]<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:46 PM

FREEZE! Put the stick down and step away from the pot. <br><br>
Posted by: OSXaddict

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:47 PM

Perhaps it was 2 members who no longer stop by here and post? I do know that Bryan has been by here at least once to read the PM I sent him awhile ago.<br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:49 PM

Yup. I had sent my share of PMs and emails to Stan back then, too. If I were DrJohn, I'd just chalk it up to my messages just now getting there. <br><br>
Posted by: sean

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:50 PM

the sarcasm is heard even though i was trying to be a bit silly, but it honestly looks to me like stan is considering having this forum go away. so i just figured i would retract my nudge for him to pull the trigger because i certainly wasn't helping your cause.<br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:52 PM

IMHO, Matt and Bryan are the last two guys in the world to go whining to Stan. No matter what else they may have done, that ain't their M.O.<br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 01:57 PM

No causes here, sean. Just kinda surprised by your sudden return seemingly to express your wish to see this board hosed. I was being as sarcastic as you were silly. So I guess we're even.<br><br>
Posted by: sean

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 02:13 PM

i think i've edited my posts enough to remove any mention of wishing this forum away. though, i sort of ruined the responses to me now. <br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05
Posted by: drjohn

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 02:18 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>If I were DrJohn, I'd just chalk it up to my messages just now getting there.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>Charter Cable (my only choice)may be coming in the near future. I've got the pricing but haven't made the call yet. <br><br>Old farts, the hidden caulk of civilization. Jim Atkinson<br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 02:19 PM

Ok fine. I'll edit my surprise then. <br><br>Have we beaten this topic flat enough yet? I'll leave the mallet on the table just in case.<br><br>
Posted by: Lea

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 02:25 PM

I always wondered if he wasn't some sort of Ultimate Sock Puppet. <br><br><br><br><br><br>[color:blue] Talk about things and nobody cares . . .</font color=blue>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 02:26 PM

Dewd, that's awesome! I think I've got an old Bell bike helmet in the attic. It's yours when you get the cable! <br><br><br><br>And I want Lester to note that I did not place an illegal apostrophe in "yours". <br><br>
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 02:28 PM

Let me add to the comments of the others that the leaving of certain folks was not for their political posting but because of their personal attacks, some of them particularly vicious. In at least once case, the personal attacks had nothing explicitly to do with politics. I guess I was one of the people who contacted you recently--twice, as I recall--and that was about the porn postings. Those definitely are a problem, but deleting this forum will do nothing to take care of them.<br><br>
Posted by: Lea

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 02:32 PM

Comedian, huh? <br><br>Actually, that was pretty good. And I can't believe this "shut 'er down" stuff would be about cat fights. JeBeezus, if that's the case, why didn't Stan burn down the village six months ago? <br><br>This is just really weird.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>[color:blue] Talk about things and nobody cares . . .</font color=blue>
Posted by: Lea

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 02:37 PM

And there's the rub with post editing/deleting. I can see an edit for spelling typos and such. But once you mess with the content, you screw up your intent.<br><br>I've always thought it was a dumb feature, anyway.<br><br><br><br><br><br>[color:blue] Talk about things and nobody cares . . .</font color=blue>
Posted by: Lea

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 02:47 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> . . . I am seeing more and more harsh, racist, and derogatory posts being made.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Stan, as you can tell by now, we just flat don't get it. You say in your second post that you've gotten a bunch of complaints. Is it possible that you're being had? <br><br>You've said you lurk more often than we think. That's good, but if you have been, then I think you'd understand our collective jaw droppin' at your initial post.<br><br>Sooooo, I really gotta wonder. Are you sure you haven't been gettin' bogus complaints? <br><br>Sigh. This just doesn't make any sense. Maybe it's some kind of bizarro Revenge of the Socks. Or Revenge of the Deleted Mod. <br><br>Oh, and I wasn't out to lunch, I was at the grocery store. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>[color:blue] Talk about things and nobody cares . . .</font color=blue>
Posted by: mojo_jojo

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 02:48 PM

Bingo. <br>I'll do a hit and run here every now and then just to stir things up. But it's no damn fun anymore. <br><br>
Posted by: Leslie

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 02:51 PM

Duly noted. That particular error very common. 2 gold stars for you!<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: Leslie

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 02:54 PM

Agreed on the porn posting. <br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 02:57 PM

Please do not embarrass me so. One will do fine. <br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 02:59 PM

I think I've figured it out. It's the Millennium Bug. It just got here late! <br><br>
Posted by: Leslie

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 03:03 PM

Done. I will give it to drjohn when he gets cable; going to miss the ragging on him when he does. Had a lot of hahas over his time lapse condition.<br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 03:07 PM

Careful. He has a 15mbps wit. Once his connection speed is on par, we's in biiiiiiiiiiiig trouble. <br><br>
Posted by: ROFF

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 03:20 PM

Stan, please keep this forum. I do not worry about the quantity of left/right posts, just the quality. A good idea will always rise to the top.<br><br>
Posted by: sean

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 03:46 PM

my intent was a joke about how my posts here were hurting my ability to run for politics in the future. it was taken seriously by too many and having it deleted was better in the long run.<br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 03:52 PM

Then maybe you should take a course in stand-up comedy and work on your delivery and timing before making with the jokes. <br><br>
Posted by: Trog

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 03:59 PM

"Harsh, racist, and derogatory comments"? Recently???<br><br>Apparently I have absolutely no gauge whatsoever of what derogatory posts look like.<br><br>It was surprising when the MMMmod1 showed up that day, but this is just plain weird. <br><br>
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 04:12 PM

<br><br>are you on about? Doesn't make sense.<br><br>
Posted by: Leslie

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 04:38 PM

Don't hold back Michael, tell him how you really feel.:)<br><br>
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 04:49 PM

I can only assume (and I hope that assumption is incorrect) that Stan cannot tolerate the liberal views that are posted here and is willing to take the draconian measure of silencing them for good. And to think the Lounge regulars will tolerate anything remotely controversial (reason we're relegated to this place), is just pure fantasy. <br><br>
Posted by: Leslie

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 05:00 PM

It appears as though we are all a little baffled by his sentiment. and it looks like we are not going to be enlightened. <br>We will all have to be good little doobies so we can keep our sandbox.<br><br>
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 05:07 PM

BAH!<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: Lea

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 05:07 PM

Maybe the Mod Dude kidnapped Stan and this is some kind of strange coup. <br><br>Wait . . . OK, that's not funny. <br><br>Geeze, if the Lounge gets wind of this ~ we'll all be thrown out on our collective, political wonk butts. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>[color:blue] Talk about things and nobody cares . . .</font color=blue>
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 05:10 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>if the Lounge gets wind of this<p><hr></blockquote><p>I'm not going to tell them! <br><br>
Posted by: Leslie

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 05:15 PM

You should eat something!<br><br>
Posted by: sean

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 05:40 PM

i took that course and i earned a C-; though, it was a 73% and i thought i should have received a C.<br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05
Posted by: DLC

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 06:31 PM

Well I'd love to jump in that forum, ...<br><br>but I think many of the conservative members of this forum (who left) were really radical and some inflamatory. I have some conservative political belifs too in some areas (like fiscal), but these guys were right of Atilla the Hun. I don't mind serious discussion, but many of those that left were childish (socks) and insulting.<br><br>I have no problem arguing troop levels with someone.... NO 0ne can say it won't work and no one can say it wil, until 6-12 moinths from now... but the probability is heavily in favor of it NOT working. IMO. .. again rational discussion is needed and not some flaming sock puppets who claimed all who questioed Bush in 2002 were unpatriotic and favored terrorists. That was the kind of illogical BS they spewed.<br><br>So to those mouths- good riddance,<br><br>David (OFI)
Posted by: KateSorensen

Re: Political Forum - 01/18/07 07:12 PM

Bummer, Stan. Guess I don't see the reasoning behind your decision either. But, your forum, and your decision. I'd sure hate to see the Soapbox removed but I'll still probably hang here for the friends in the lounge.<br><br>A thought of my own: I use to dislike a certain two people getting into entanglements all the time. But lately, even those two, still here in the Soapbox, have avoided really harsh confrontations lately. I like them both so it made me feel good to see them not at each other so frequently.<br><br>I believe the 'sides' of discussions are a bit lopsided. So many conservatives left. But then, some not of their own volition.<br><br>It is almost time for another election. Things undoubtedly would heat up around here. Do what you must, not that you need my permission <br><br>Regards,<br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: lanovami

Re: Political Forum - 01/19/07 02:06 AM

I hate to say, but you would lose me, sniff.. I might remember to check the Member Lounge now and then, but the Soapbox is what sucked me in in the first place and that's what keeps me coming back.<br><br>We are what we repeatedly do. -Aristotle
Posted by: SacredBovine

Re: Political Forum - 01/19/07 04:17 PM

Is this thread sticky?<br><br>If it is and you want it to remain as a reminder, then maybe you could delete all posts but your own and lock it.<br><br>Thanks in anticipation.<br><br>
Posted by: TheGreatDivide

Re: Political Forum - 01/19/07 04:28 PM

a. forum was created to fail, hence a tool<br>b. focus lost<br>c. extreme, fundamentalist? lefty/righty/fundy's views?<br>d. harsh, racist and derogatory (and why are people that way? internet info programming influence slam?)<br>e. negative, repressive draining towards support<br><br>guess 'those people' and their plan are now starting to see the fruits of their labor... hey, wait<br><br>SPLIT THE FORUM IN TWO<br><br>LEFT <--- Right -><br>etc<br><br>political forum <br>zone 1<br>and 2... <br><br>get me? simple, logical<br>see, the complete opposite of the great illusion<br><br>c'mon mr. moderator<br>you'd benefit from being the info center data $ .out<br><br>Those without courage oppress the weak.<br>____________________
Posted by: OSXaddict

Re: Political Forum - 01/19/07 04:33 PM

split the political forum in 2? What?? what kind of discussion would result from that??<br><br>
Posted by: polymerase

Re: Political Forum - 01/19/07 04:42 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>split the political forum in 2? What?? what kind of discussion would result from that??<p><hr></blockquote><p>I believe the Great Divide is spoofing the first split. Your reply was a reply repeated quite a few times before the political forum was created. It was probably the right response then. <br>Anything of import, discussing Intelligent Design, politics, religion, was sent to the ghetto we created.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: Trog

Re: Political Forum - 01/19/07 04:46 PM

"Ghetto"<br><br>Now that is a good idea for a forum. We could probably even put Yoyo's porn in there.<br><br>
Posted by: polymerase

Re: Political Forum - 01/19/07 04:55 PM

People in a ghetto usually do not know there are in one but guess what? You've been in one for quite a while.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: Trog

Re: Political Forum - 01/19/07 05:07 PM

And just like my cat, I like to lie down and roll around in it.<br><br>
Posted by: Lea

Re: Political Forum - 01/19/07 08:27 PM

Forum Ghetto, I get. Sooo been there, so done that. But I must have been so seriously slammed with work that I missed yoyo's porn. <br><br>Could someone provide a link? I really need some diversion. You can only study the irrigation systems of the Rio Grande Valley for so long . . .<br><br>Oh, and when I disappear next week, trust me, Stan didn't delete me. Probably . . . <br><br><br><br><br>Just keep sending him those moron complaints, I know who you are . . .<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>[color:blue] Talk about things and nobody cares . . .</font color=blue>
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Political Forum - 01/19/07 08:50 PM

See now that's how misreporting begets misinformation and misinformation produces character assassination and character assassination means I can never run for president. Oh woe is me!! And I never even went to a madrassa, just a jesuit school when I was a kid. Those priest, ya know . . . . . .<br><br>
Posted by: TheGreatDivide

Re: Political Forum - 01/20/07 05:41 AM

it'd be nice to have less BS distractions with pointless subject matter is all<br>why not zero in on what you like; is it not what the internet is for?<br>I, personally, could care less what 'they' say anymore, nie lvn is OVER<br>the conspiracy is contempt and the point is nobody wants to study what hit the..<br>errr... nvrmind<br><br>They just keep defecting to the left any fkn' how with each hailstorm, tornado, coldspell, heatwave, blizzard and global motion.<br><br>Those without courage oppress the weak.<br>____________________
Posted by: TheGreatDivide

Re: Political Forum - 01/20/07 05:43 AM

so organic is it not?<br>forum'osis.<br>; )<br><br>Those without courage oppress the weak.<br>____________________
Posted by: TheGreatDivide

Re: Political Forum - 01/20/07 05:58 AM

Porn and ghetto.<br>Ugh, last I checked porn is quite big for the poor and rich<br>actually the rich get richer off porn<br>hiring poor people to do silly stuff<br>and they in-turn make a bundle off the per-click on the credit card<br>for the constant funnel of the neuro-ocular-drug, called porn.<br><br>So get this, in the paper today a Jenna Jameson -whiskey- movie is set-up for 2008 with Scarlet Johhansen me thinks. Not kidding.<br>I say legalize prostitution. Then there would be more 'check' kept on that industry that flourishes in Cuba, Sweden, England... AMERICA WAKE UP!<br>we're only human<br>not hu'machine... errr sum crap<br><br>Those without courage oppress the weak.<br>____________________
Posted by: TheGreatDivide

Re: Political Forum - 01/20/07 06:00 AM

hey RioGrandeDivide here<br>say try this site<br>http://mediaed.org<br><br>starvation is a creation of the devil<br><br>Those without courage oppress the weak.<br>____________________
Posted by: Mississauga

Re: Political Forum - 01/20/07 08:55 AM

The next time a major pile of dung hits the fan in politics, I'll look forward to the deluge in the Member's Lounge.<br><br>sheesh! <br><br>- alec -
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Political Forum - 01/20/07 09:03 AM

Dung? Dung? We don't have no steenkin' dung!<br><br>Just loads of zune. <br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 01/21/07 05:58 AM

So, um... How long is this anachronism gonna be stuck up here?<br><br>
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Political Forum - 01/21/07 06:09 AM

Who you callin' "stuck up?" <br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 01/21/07 06:24 AM

You, ya farkin' premodonner! <br><br>
Posted by: Celandine

Re: Political Forum - 01/21/07 07:20 AM

<br><br>I should think; until people stop claiming that he <br>(and his appointed moderators) "don't have the balls" <br>to stop them from stirring shyte whenever they get bored. <br><br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: lanovami

Re: Political Forum - 01/22/07 01:42 AM

OK, so why does this thread floated to the top a few times even though no one has made a new post? Well, I know how it can be done. But why is this being done? It has happened a few times, but I checked the post dates this time to make sure it wasn't my imagination<br><br>We are what we repeatedly do. -Aristotle
Posted by: SacredBovine

Re: Political Forum - 01/22/07 02:45 AM

I believe that Stan, being the Main Mod around here, has chosen to make it a 'sticky' thread, that is, he has purposely made its status such that it will always be at the top.<br><br>Why? Stuffed if I know. Judging by the thread starter, he wants us to remember who's boss around these parts, and that we're just the unruly squatters. It's also a hint that the Soapbox forum is not long for this world, seeing as how the behavior has been extremely good of late but he has been 'inundated with compaints' and won't enlighten us as to their nature or source.<br><br>Oh well, whatever. Forums come and forums go (and other deep and meaningful musings ).<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 01/23/07 12:15 PM

Dum de dum dedumdummmm... *tapping fingers* Hmm hmmm hm hmmmmmm...<br><br>
Posted by: SacredBovine

Re: Political Forum - 01/24/07 06:40 PM

**creeaaaaakkk...**<br><br>Peers in, notices nothing but dusty cobwebs and yellowing copy of week-old MacMinute front page - slowly closes door<br><br>**creeaaaaakkk...**<br><br>
Posted by: Celandine

Re: Political Forum - 01/24/07 11:44 PM

Exodus 20:20 <br>...and Moses said to the people, <br>"Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, <br>so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning."<br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: SacredBovine

Re: Political Forum - 01/25/07 10:47 AM

Shhhh...<br><br><br>You'll wake the night watchman.<br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: Celandine

Re: Political Forum - 01/25/07 11:38 AM

<br>I AM the Watchman! <br><br><br>Quis Custodiet ipsos Custodes?<br><br>
Posted by: lanovami

Re: Political Forum - 01/25/07 03:48 PM

Who cleans up after the custodians? y..<br><br>We are what we repeatedly do. -Aristotle
Posted by: Celandine

Re: Political Forum - 01/25/07 05:10 PM

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Posted by: lanovami

Re: Political Forum - 01/25/07 05:20 PM

Ah, of course.<br><br>We are what we repeatedly do. -Aristotle
Posted by: Celandine

Re: Political Forum - 01/25/07 06:09 PM

<br>...the final "clean-up"<br><center><br><br><br><br></center><br><br>
Posted by: lanovami

Re: Political Forum - 01/25/07 11:50 PM

I know talk of making this book into a movie has been going on for years. I honestly hope they never try, because it would have to be mind boggling good or I would be sorely disappointed; even if it wasn't half bad.<br><br>How could you even begin to crunch it all into 2 hours for starters? I hear there is actually a pretty decent script out there. I'll believe it when I see it.<br><br>We are what we repeatedly do. -Aristotle
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 01/27/07 11:17 AM

These drapes are getting pretty dusty. Maybe they should come down and go to the dry cleaner? <br><br>
Posted by: Lea

Re: Political Forum - 01/31/07 03:17 PM

<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>Hint . . . . this is not an uppity post . . . I don't think . . . but, I'm really tired, so . . . <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>[color:blue] Talk about things and nobody cares . . .</font color=blue>
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Political Forum - 01/31/07 04:23 PM

Hon, you're always "uppity." That's why we love ya! <br><br>
Posted by: Lea

Re: Political Forum - 01/31/07 04:55 PM

Thank you, Michael.<br><br><br><br>LL<br><br><br><br><br><br>[color:blue] Talk about things and nobody cares . . .</font color=blue>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 02/04/07 04:13 AM

This is ornament is really wearing thin. Even pigeon zune eventually dries and slides off the windshield. <br><br>
Posted by: Celandine

Re: Political Forum - 02/04/07 07:59 AM

Why do you want it removed?<br><br>...so you can go back to "Having Fun"? <br><br>It was YOUR Crappy Tantrum at your inability <br>to control SlapLeather that made it necessary <br>for Stan to appoint a Moderator.<br><br>It was Lea's affront that they hadn't "the balls"<br>to stop her from kicking up dust whenever she<br>chose to, just to keep her from getting bored,<br>that caused Stan to leave a VISIBLE REMINDER.<br><br>You've bullied everyone for so long that now<br>you feel like you can also bully The Admins.<br>into giving you your way by pulling "a huff".<br><br>[color:white]. . . . . . . . . . . .</font color=white>STAN<br>[color:white]. . . . . . . . . . . .</font color=white><br>[color:white]. . . . . . . . . . . . </font color=white>you<br><br>So, why don't you just knock it off before you<br>ruin things for everybody else by getting this<br>forum closed down. <br><br><br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 02/04/07 08:34 AM

Help! Help! Somebody help me please! It's a SHARK ATTACK!!! Help me! Help meeeeeeeeeeeeee!<br><br><br><br><br><br>[cutesy animated gif] <br><br>
Posted by: Lea

Re: Political Forum - 02/04/07 09:18 AM

Try a little context, Muffin.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> Oh, c'mon. Don't tell me you don't miss it, just a little bit. That old tooth and claw stuff? If nothing else, we can find out if somebody really did shoot the Sheriff. Although he never sounded like he really had the balls to get between badass chicks like us.<br><br>You go next.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>Now, that's what I posted. You didn't think it was funny, fine. But I'm not inclined to let you "rewrite" my intent. Steve and I are not the only ones who have wondered ~ Why Stan's original Warning Post and everyone's responses and concerns haven't been addressed.<br><br>But we are the only ones you whack.<br><br><br><br><br><br>[color:blue] Talk about things and nobody cares . . .</font color=blue>
Posted by: Celandine

Re: Political Forum - 02/04/07 09:21 AM

[color:white]. . . . . . . . . </font color=white>you<br>[color:white]. . . . . . . . . .</font color=white><br>[color:white]. . . . . . . . . . . .</font color=white>me<br><br><br>howzat for 'cutsey'?<br><br><br>
Posted by: Celandine

Re: Political Forum - 02/04/07 09:25 AM

<br>Not whacking either of you, just wondering myself<br>why you two are so concerned about that reminder. <br><br><br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 02/04/07 09:25 AM

Oh, Lea. You're just playing the "victim" again. How silly of you. <br><br>That rant is a/b as timely as Stan's post is. A day late, a dollar short, and a yard wide of the mark 100-fold.<br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 02/04/07 09:34 AM

Oh no. You're not whacking anyone at all. How foolish of us to take it that way. But I'm just wondering why you're just wondering what I or anyone else might be concerned about. Are you somehow owed an explanation? Does one need a permission slip from you before wondering about something? Sounds kinda mod-ish to me. Even a little control-freakish. In fact, I'd almost say a little bully wannabe-ish. But that's just my take on it.<br><br>
Posted by: Celandine

Re: Political Forum - 02/04/07 09:38 AM

"Re-Write the Intent"<br><br>That's rich!<br>"If somebody really did shoot the Sheriff"?<br><br>That's a carry over from the lounge when<br>John pointed out that the Mmod1 username<br>had been removed...<br><br>...and you "testing the waters" to make sure<br>that you were no longer being watched.<br><br>[color:white]. . . . . . . .</font color=white><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: Lea

Re: Political Forum - 02/04/07 09:42 AM

Got to your kitchen, open the door to your freezer. It should help you cool off.<br><br><br><br><br><br>[color:blue] Talk about things and nobody cares . . .</font color=blue>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 02/04/07 09:51 AM

Ditto what Lea said. You're bored, so you've gotta go looking for fight? Looking in the back of your closet for musty old innuendo and delusional accusations.<br><br>Pretty much flying in the face of Stan's own sentiments:<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>but I am seeing more and more harsh, racist, and derogatory posts being made.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Racism aside, looks to me like you're trying to get the joint shuttered.<br><br>Take Lea's advice and chill out.<br><br>
Posted by: lanovami

Re: Political Forum - 02/04/07 01:59 PM

Ah...now that things are back to "normal", maybe Stan won't delete the forum.<br><br>We are what we repeatedly do. -Aristotle
Posted by: steveg

Re: Political Forum - 02/04/07 02:14 PM

This kind of "normal" I can do without, thankyouverymuch.<br><br>
Posted by: Celandine

Re: Political Forum - 02/04/07 03:17 PM

<br>Me Too!<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: lanovami

Re: Political Forum - 02/05/07 05:05 PM

Well then, it' settled.<br><br>We are what we repeatedly do. -Aristotle
Posted by: bird

Re: Political Forum - 02/05/07 05:36 PM

Yep yep.....we all agree we disagree.....ain't nothing as grand as a happy conclusion <br><br> One reason why birds and horses are not unhappy is<br>because they are not trying to impress other birds and horses. <br>Dale Carnegie
Posted by: garyW

Re: Political Forum - 02/05/07 10:16 PM

Perhaps we can threaten a filibuster to prevent any action by the admins at all, add some heap of bogus amendments onto whatever decisions we make, obstruct an up or down vote, call each other some cliche talking point names ... and then blame the liberal media for this forum going to hell. Hey, it works for me.<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: Celandine

Re: Political Forum - 02/06/07 01:06 AM

<br>You can do whatever you like;<br>and in the end any admin can flip the switch <br>on you so fast it would make your head spin. <br>Just ask my two uncles, Ben Dare & Don Dat.<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: KateSorensen

Re: Political Forum - 02/06/07 12:15 PM

<blockquote>Perhaps we can threaten a filibuster to prevent any action</blockquote><br><br>It works! Don't knock it. I watched as the Republicans filibustered and blocked the voting on the Warner Iraq bill. Slicker 'n snot! Brilliant strategy. Brilliant.<br><br>They offered up an amendment which the Democrats did not allow to be voted on to be attached. Ridiculous, outlandish amendment which the Republicans KNEW Dems would not accept. So the Warner Bill got blocked.<br><br>Oh, yes, don't forget the 60 vote majority ploy they brought up too. Good one, eh? Lawful process and good tactic. Come to think of it. I almost clicked the 'post' button but had a thought. Sure we may be in the majority. But when things come up for a vote, there appears to be nothing to stop the Republicans from invoking the requirement of 60 vote majority on any bill in the future that comes up. I hope someone here will tell me they CANNOT do that legally. <br><br>What are the Republicans really heading for and what is the underlying plan? I don't have any source, and get things mixed up now and then, but I think they want the Democrats to get in a spot where they start considering withholding or mucking with funds for the war as proposed by Bush.<br><br>THAT will make the Dems look like they are taking away resources from troops in the field and thus against support for our troops! Republicans can get millions of miles out of that now and for the next election. Who is behind it? Why Bush [actually his boss Cheney] of course.<br><br>I would never have believed I would say this, but Democrats need to get down and dirty in their planning, negotiating and carrying out of plans.<br><br>John McCain. Anybody besides me recall recently reading that he is hiring all of Bush, Jr.'s former admen, consultants, presidential run aids, etc. Especially the hard-hitting, sock-it-to-em types that did the swiftboat stuff and flipflopper brilliant ploys. [Brilliant or not, they worked!]<br><br>Even this morning I read that the nice, gentle, smiling, polite, Mr. Edwards is changing the way he is going to run his political run for President. No more nice guy as he tried to do last time around.<br><br>I hate down and dirty mud slinging politics. But, I do not want another eight years of what we've just gone through!<br><br>-*-*-*-*-<br><br>Just kidding about filibustering MacMinute and/or Stan . . . . . things appear to be going along okay.<br><br><br> <br><br>
Posted by: garyW

Re: Political Forum - 02/06/07 03:31 PM

Thanks for understanding, Kate. I posted that last night in frustration on how the Rep minority continues to clusterf*ck and add on inane issues (the Gregg resolution) in order to kill the deal and cover Bush's every whim. I guess I could have started a new thread about this, but I had trouble thinking of a thread title that could out wit "Purity Balls".<br><br><br>Also, just one more item to make you scream. Warner voted against his own resolution.<br><br>
Posted by: Celandine

Re: Political Forum - 02/06/07 04:18 PM

<br>"Also,<br>just one more item to make you scream. <br>Warner voted against his own resolution." <br><br><br><br>
Posted by: KateSorensen

Re: Political Forum - 02/06/07 07:12 PM

I do not think he voted against his own resolution. He stood with his party for whatever reason. I believe it was to allow debate on the Warner, Gregg resolution and another McCains. That was not really the Republicans goal though. By the way, McCain dropped his resolution/bill today.<br><br>Today they continued in discussions on CSPAN2 and Republicans kept saying the Democrats were not supporting the troops! because they would not allow the Gregg resolution that says 'we support the troops and will not withhold money'. Senator Reid told them the Warner bill says 'we support troops' in it and they do not need an amendment. I believe the Dems do not want to go on record saying not to withhold money. I do not believe they will withhold money already going for the troops, but I don't rule out future moneys being denied or withheld -- possibly -- at some date down the road.<br><br>This rumble over the nonbinding Warner bill is all subterfuge! Republicans are playing games and doing it very well, for now.<br><br>Warmer entered the discussion late in the evening and sounded a little disgusted with the name calling and putting down persons as not being supportive of troops, etc. He said he has tried never to play dirty politics with name calling etc. in his long career. He said the President said in his state of the union to offer him suggestions if you disagree. Warner said that is what he and others are doing with his bill offered.<br><br>I think there is going to be big haggling on the Prez budget next week. If it is not passed February 14, . . . . no one gets a pay check ?????? His request for the war chest billions. I can't wait to see how that goes on the Senate Floor. Republicans will make it look like Democrats are not supporting the troops if they argue in any way about money in the budget. In fact, they can stop the budget passing by putting Gregg resolution up with the budget as an amendment/rider type thing. The Dems will continue to argue against the Greg thing and it'll look like they are arguing no money for troops. Then there is the 60 majority vote thing again to bring up. Isn't it fantastic and unbelievable. This is way better than TV 24 program! Ha!<br><br>Nancy Pelosi and the House are stepping in to offer their own nonbinder! I wish I could watch both the house and senate at the same time.<br><br>Choices, choices, choices. I was glad they took a 3 hour lunch today. I wanted to take my hour bike ride.<br><br>Later,<br><br>[and why not this thread? just as interesting as anything else here and it is always at top. i don't have to look for it . . .]<br><br> <br><br><br><br>
Posted by: MacGizmo

Re: Political Forum - 02/08/07 11:49 AM

Great googley-moogley than to Vi agra for to larger pleasure. <br><br>CreativeGuy for daily tips, tricks and commentary on all things graphic design.
Posted by: Leslie

Re: Political Forum - 02/08/07 12:24 PM

Perhaps the baby has caused sleep deprivation - or is there another explantion ?<br><br>
Posted by: MacGizmo

Re: Political Forum - 02/08/07 01:32 PM

yes, and yes.<br><br>CreativeGuy for daily tips, tricks and commentary on all things graphic design.
Posted by: Leslie

Re: Political Forum - 02/08/07 02:24 PM

Are we playing 20 questions?<br><br>