Zarqawi dead

Posted by: garyW

Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 01:20 AM

Let's hope this has a direct effect on slowing down the insurgency. <br><br>NYT story<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 03:14 AM

Expectations are relatively low on that score, since so much of the violence for the past several months has been sectarian. Just the same, glad he's been *cough* retired.<br><br>
Posted by: Topper

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 03:24 AM

[censored] and the Sunnis.<br><br>
Posted by: Llewelyn

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 04:04 AM

&[censored] and the Sunnis<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>Think you'll find that the shiites and sunnis are quite capable of holding their own civil war without any assistance from outside.<br><br><br>- This is gonna get pretty interesting. <br>- Define "interesting". <br>- Oh, God, oh, God, we're all gonna die..
Posted by: Topper

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 04:50 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Think you'll find that the shiites and sunnis are quite capable of holding their own civil war without any assistance from outside.<p><hr></blockquote><p>I don't dispute that. <br>But al-Zarqawi wasn't helping matters.<br>In his tape that was made available only a few days ago al-Zarqawi said that Sunni militias were raping women and killing Sunnis and that the Sunnis must fight back.<br>His intention was to enflame Shiite-Sunni tensions.<br>Al-Zarqawi's Sunni insurgents targeted Shiite civilians and mosques. <br>One of his objects was to sabotage any effort to form a united government.<br>But this isn't anything new.<br><br>
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 05:12 AM

Unfortunately I suspect it will actually intensify things in the immediate future before it has a tapering effect.<br><br>But good job to those who finally got him!<br><br>
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 05:30 AM

<br><br>Fox News<br><br>***********************<br>[color:red]Nice Try</font color=red>
Posted by: sean

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 06:54 AM

i agree. while he was alive, the trend towards civil war was largely subverted by pointing out that al zarqawi was at the root of much of the violence being generated by sunnis -- zarqawi was an "external" source to blame. now the sunnis will bear more of the brunt of the retaliation for their insurgency. <br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05
Posted by: Trog

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 07:15 AM

The liberal rag didn't have a good enough graphic? <br><br>(Your link to a real news source is broken, btw.)<br><br>
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 07:22 AM

Actually, Zarqawi has been dead for months. Bush pulled him out of the Oval Office freezer, flew to Iraq on NeoCon 1 and placed Zarqawi in the rubble to hypnotically distract everyone from the sagging poll numbers. It's all part of the plan. <br><br>***********************<br>[color:red]Nice Try</font color=red>
Posted by: sean

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 07:23 AM

how about the AP, which matt likes to use to demonstrate a hatred for bush. surely their graphic will show a halo on the dead zarqawi???<br><br><img src="http://homepage.mac.com/jayhawk/.Pictures/ap_zarqawi.jpg" width="600" height="348"/><br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05
Posted by: Trog

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 07:35 AM

I'd like to see some real statistics on the number of Iraqis killed since 2003.<br><br>I mean with the number of deaths taking place every month they were bound to get him [i]eventually! <br><br>
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 08:45 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>how about the AP, which matt likes to use to demonstrate a hatred for bush.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Say, thanks for bringing this up Professor Lib...<br><br>Here are some fresh bias examples .. <br><br> <br><br>And, 'cause eeeeeeveryone knows Condi is just an out-of-control, angy, raging person ...<br><br> <br><br><br><br><br>***********************<br>[color:red]Nice Try</font color=red>
Posted by: sean

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 09:18 AM

that first image is reuters and they say the main journalistic integrity. can't argue with that.<br><br>regarding an angry and out of control condi, i had never heard that. but, i'd be more than angry if i were in her shoes talking about a deal we just brokered with iran. an effin deal with iran for god sakes!<br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05
Posted by: Pete

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 09:33 AM

Wow, who knew Luciano Pavarotti was involved with Al Queda....<br><br>
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 09:35 AM

Now if they can just nail his boss. That would truly be a mission accomplished.<br><br>It makes my head hurt to think how differently things might have gone if the admin had focused on stompin' the right snakes way back when . . .<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>[color:blue]Silk suit, black tie, I donít need a reason why.</font color=blue>
Posted by: DLC

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 09:44 AM

I seriously doubt it... short term yes, long term ...VERY doubtful<br><br>If anyone hasn't seen MUNICH- rent it. It is a great and powerful movie and will show you why we'll never suceed in Iraq or the Middle East. The people who think we can are the same flawed ones who gave us Vietnam for 12 years.<br><br>WARNING: Hard to watch in some places, but the message is "spot on" !!<br><br>I HIGHLY recommend it.<br><br>David (OFI)<br>
Posted by: DLC

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 09:49 AM

You talk of media bias but you totally overlook the LIES both of these have told. Lies that got innocents killed. How hypocritical is that?<br>Those 2 photos don't lead to people's death, Matt. They don't raise the deficits and cost taxpayers anything. <br><br>Maybe justice IS being served.<br><br>David (OFI)<br>
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 10:02 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>regarding an angry and out of control condi, i had never heard that.<p><hr></blockquote><p>You don't have to "hear" it, sean, that's the whole point .. 1/8000 shutter speed and The Associated Press can "demonstrate" how "angry" she is .. Anti administration AP bias, man ... <br><br>GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR<br><br><br>***********************<br>[color:red]Nice Try</font color=red>
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 10:10 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>surely their graphic will show a [color:red]halo</font color=red> on the dead zarqawi???<p><hr></blockquote><p>LOL!!!!<br><br>Well, you were half right, sean. The halo wasn't on Zarqawi, the liberal media put one on Bush! <br><br>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA<br><br><br><br><br><br>***********************<br>[color:red]Nice Try</font color=red>
Posted by: sean

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 10:11 AM

heh heh. funny.<br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05
Posted by: Topper

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 10:33 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Now if they can just nail his boss.<p><hr></blockquote><p>I don't know if we'll ever get him but I'll bet this will give him something to think about and maybe give him a nightmare or two.<br><br>
Posted by: garyW

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 10:37 AM

In a thread about the military success of taking out the #1 terrorist in Iraq, you're really bitching about bias in a photo of Rice looking seriously pissed while she's talking about Iranian nukes? Good for AP to show her in this aggressive gesture, it's exactly what should be presented in this serious situation, she's the Sec. of State dealing with a terrorist nation. <br><br>I posted the NYTs story because at 1:15am it was the only source with details and information on the Zarqawi story. I see your post in reply is all about a big picture of him dead, so I guess you felt the NYTs was lacking in the visual impact department. My point here is that you're upset with a picture of Rice being aggressive without any concern as to what the caption states, so pictures, not content is the media bias you're arguing here. In this case, I think a happy/passive face picture of Rice would have been the bias that you'd be posting about.<br><br><br>
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 10:47 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>In a thread about the military success of taking out the #1 terrorist in Iraq, you're really bitching about bias in a photo of Rice looking seriously pissed while she's talking about Iranian nukes?<p><hr></blockquote><p>No. In a thread about the military success of taking the #1 terrorist in Iraq, one in which sean brought my name in to it, I responded. <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>My point here is that you're upset with a picture of Rice being aggressive without any concern as to what the caption states, so pictures, not content is the media bias you're arguing here.<p><hr></blockquote><p>The picture of Rice was from a few weeks ago. Since sean brought up AP photo bias, I figured I'd respond with some examples. What I find amusing, however, is how twisted your panties become whenever this subject comes up. Upset? Nah! Bitching? You. <br><br>***********************<br>[color:red]Nice Try</font color=red>
Posted by: polymerase

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 11:57 AM

garyW,<br><br>You are bitching that Matt returns calls about topic A by immediately arguing about topic B? Are you a little slow on the uptake? Look up Strawman in Wiki and there is a picture of MattMac112 stuffing Indiana hay into some oversized plaid golfer's pants.<br><br>Because it is always about the Condi glare, or something else equally worthless to chat about. I will admit that the shot of Bush peering over the podium is funny but it does remind me of your avatar.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: garyW

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 12:08 PM

topic B is okay, but I guess the point in topic A was that a big FoxNews picture of dead Zarqawi said something the NYT article's bias didn't.<br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 12:12 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>You are bitching that Matt returns calls about topic A by immediately arguing about topic B?<p><hr></blockquote><p>Topic A: photo bias (brought up by your buddy)<br><br>Topic B: photo bias examples (as displayed by not your buddy)<br><br>Topic C: Stop being a jackass. <br><br>***********************<br>[color:red]Nice Try</font color=red>
Posted by: Trog

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 12:12 PM

Well, the halo is easy, even I could do that. But how were they able to make his expression appear as though he has a mouth full of sh^t?<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: polymerase

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 01:12 PM

Mouth full of shi[/i]t? I thought that was the face that only Laura Bush has ever seen. Well, at least twice.<br><br>God, that's as gross as the mouth full of shi[i]t. I gotta go hum some show tunes for a while and get this foul but vivid picture out of my head.<br><br>I'm singing in the rain, just singing in the rain, what a glorious feeling, I'm hap hap happy again<br><br><br>Shi[i][/i]t, now I have Clockwork Orange in my head.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: Michael

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 02:08 PM

I don't think they added the "halo". Just looks like some background banner. It's their logo.<br><br>***Leoville***Zogby Poll Finds Over 70 Million Voting Age Americans Support New 9/11 Investigation
Posted by: Michael

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 02:10 PM

It's like killing an Africanized "killer" bee. Kill one and it just causes the rest to swarm. Until Iraqi citizens can defend their own government nothing will make a difference. Meet the new boss...<br><br>***Leoville***Zogby Poll Finds Over 70 Million Voting Age Americans Support New 9/11 Investigation
Posted by: Topper

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 02:41 PM

I don't expect anything to change but I would like justice for 9/11.<br><br>
Posted by: Trog

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 02:59 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I don't think they added the "halo".<p><hr></blockquote><p>I know. I'm not the one that thinks its conspiratorial photography bias.<br><br>Have you ever seen the roof of the Senate? Every picture they take of someone in there looks like they have the rays of heaven coming out of their skull.<br><br><br><br><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Trog on 06/08/06 06:00 PM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 03:05 PM

The NYTimes now has a video interview with the father of Nicholas Berg. The man is angry that Zarqawi was killed. He would have opted for forgiveness.<br><br>I'm sorry, but I just can't get behind that. He refers to it as an act of revenge ó and maybe it is to some degree ó but to fail to see that for once, justice has been served just baffles me. At the very least, I'd think this man might feel some closure. Go figure. <br><br>
Posted by: djstefan

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 03:46 PM

iit will only make things worse... gasoline on fire....<br><br>_________________________________________<br>Just a different kinda geek...
Posted by: Michael

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 03:50 PM

Those aren't halos. It's their golden parachutes.<br><br>***Leoville***Zogby Poll Finds Over 70 Million Voting Age Americans Support New 9/11 Investigation
Posted by: Michael

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 03:53 PM

I'd like to know who was responsible and exactly what happened on 9/11 first.<br><br>***Leoville***Zogby Poll Finds Over 70 Million Voting Age Americans Support New 9/11 Investigation
Posted by: lanovami

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 03:55 PM

I think this is a good thing of course. However, when I got home, I asked my wife if she had heard. We started talking about it and my son over hears. He has no idea who Zarqawi is. And he asks, why did they kill him? I didn't even know where to start explaining. Sometimes it is right to kill? I did my best, and hoped he understood, though I sometimes his questions make me realize I have not fully come to grips with how things are in this world. At least we know that there are very few people mourning his death out there.<br><br>Anyone catch Rumsfeld's speech? When he started talking in length about Zarqawi, it was sometimes hard to remember if he wasn't talking about himself. Where's a transcript.... Oh well, too lazy...<br><br>We are what we repeatedly do. -Aristotle
Posted by: steveg

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 04:18 PM

It's never a good thing when someone dies so violently. But this is one of those extremes where justice takes on whatever shape it must. How many thousands have died because of this man's "mission"? (Yeah, yeah... same could be asked about Bush.) Maybe he should have been beheaded himself. I dunno. It's just too bad his boss has escaped a similar fate for so long.<br><br>
Posted by: Celandine

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 04:22 PM

who you tryin' to kid?<br>B!tch looks like a dyspeptic gila monster<br>(with a gap)<br><br>BTW <br>Is it true that Laura caught the Lizard-Lady getting it on <br>with Georgie-Boy as one of His Dominatrix Lovers? <br><br>No wonder they had to drag Zarqawi out of cold storage. <br><br><br><br>
Posted by: Trog

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 04:23 PM

In that case I think they're perfect... worn around their necks. <br><br>
Posted by: newkojak

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 04:29 PM

There is one thing that we are all forgetting and that's that we really needed this as a country, our military included. I'm not saying that accomplishing one goal excuses any wrongdoing of any kind, but I'd much rather see the military head into investigations over civilian massacre with Zarqawi dead than without.<br><br>The next step is finding some way to make this help us get out of there.<br><br>-- Charlie Alpha Roger Yankee Whiskey
Posted by: steveg

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 04:53 PM

Larry Silverstein and Rudi Giuliani were behind the whole thing. One wanted the insurance gelt, the other wanted a book deal. Next thing you know, Towers fall down go boom! <br><br>Seriously, allow for a second the hypothesis that this was an inside job from the start. Step numero uno in setting up the Iraq invasion. Seeing what this admin will do to get it's way, it's almost plausible. Almost... until you look at the scale of such a con job. The implications. The shear impossibility to pull of a scam of that magnitude without someone choking. Without some kind of slip-up. Without something going visibly wrong. 9/11 wasn't Ocean's 11, Michael.<br><br>Fertile ground for speculation? Sure. Look at the Kennedy assassination. But the probability of that day being "staged" is just too far out there IMHO.<br><br>
Posted by: Michael

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/08/06 07:41 PM

And yet you have no problem believing terrorists from the middle east hijacked 4 fully packed jets with box cutters and did all that by themselves. OK. I will continue to hold off on any absolutes until all the questions are answered.<br><br>***Leoville***Zogby Poll Finds Over 70 Million Voting Age Americans Support New 9/11 Investigation
Posted by: steveg

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/09/06 03:22 AM

I have no problem believing anything that as of yet hasn't been disproved, or that has a measure of "doability". It's already been shown that the U.S. intel community virtually gave these guys carte blanche because of their ego-centric territorial policies. What's not to believe? Better yet, show me what's more believable! You can provide inks to hundreds of theories, hypotheses, and white papers. Some are damned near as believable as the current default story. But not MORE so. And regarding "questions"... an event of this magnitude will generate questions forever. It's too big and too complex to ever be pat.<br><br>Do I have questions? Of course I do. Do I expect them to ever be answered? Let's just say my expectations are proportionate to the credibility of the Admin. But 'til an indisputable revelation comes along, I can accept that Atta and Co. pulled off their "project" successfully.<br><br>It all comes down to rationalizations. As in shaping the available facts to fit your own preferences.<br><br>
Posted by: rigger

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/09/06 04:14 AM

Gee I thought you could get behind anything.<br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/09/06 05:27 AM

Yeah. Anything but sheep. That's your territory, rigger-digger-do.<br><br>
Posted by: DLC

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/09/06 05:41 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> Yeah. Anything but sheep. That's your territory, rigger-digger-do. <p><hr></blockquote><p><br>HA, HA, HA ,,... man that zinger had to hurt !! <br><br>A+++++++ for that one !!<br><br>David (OFI)<br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/09/06 08:34 AM

Most likely hurt the sheep more than the ol' rigger-ma-role. <br><br><br><br>BA-A-A-A-A-A-A-A! <br><br>
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Zarqawi dead - 06/09/06 09:25 AM

Phffft ~ that's just the light shinin' through numerous holes in their heads.<br><br><br><br><br>[color:blue]Silk suit, black tie, I donít need a reason why.</font color=blue>