Moral dilemma

Posted by: Acumowchek

Moral dilemma - 02/21/14 10:33 PM

We have a new client that is going to start merchandising their product.

Hate, in the name of religion. My God is better than your God, so GTFO.

My boss doesn't give a hoot, the clients have money and are willing to pay.

I guess should just shut up and do it, but I've got a BIG problem with this…
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Moral dilemma - 02/21/14 10:43 PM

So the new client is Westboro??

Man, that sucks that you have to do it. Is there anyway to bow out and let someone else in the company handle it?

I guess this goes into ethics. Personally I wouldn't go against my ethics for money.
Posted by: Pirate

Re: Moral dilemma - 02/21/14 10:50 PM

Man those Westboro folks are all over the country. Came down to may part of the country one time to demonstrate at a funeral...bikers came to the rescue and kept them away from the cemetary
Posted by: Acumowchek

Re: Moral dilemma - 02/21/14 10:58 PM

I've tried explaining to my boss how many clients he would offend, and maybe lose, if ever they found out. All he sees is dollar signs.
No, it's not Westoboro, and probably a foundation that nobody's ever heard of, but I'm not going to name names.
Posted by: DLC

Re: Moral dilemma - 02/22/14 12:16 AM

IF you can get out of it - DO that first !!

IF worst comes to worst , DO it but file a protest. That way if it backfires, you have documentation you had better sense but the boss didn't !! Put your thoughts in a document, sign and date it, and give it to the boss.
Posted by: steveg

Re: Moral dilemma - 02/22/14 11:25 AM

I've resigned two accounts in as many years because those clients had what were, to me, politically/religiously/socially objectionable points of view, and could not separate those issues from business. And I broke ties with a colleague for similar reasons.

It's never an easy decision to give up revenue or resources. But in extreme situations, you have to put conscience and decency ahead of money.

I suppose you could try to recuse yourself from the work by using the same "religious freedom" logic that the right in Arizona is trying to pass into law. If it's good for Rocco's, it should be good for anyone else with a conscience.

Good luck!
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Moral dilemma - 02/22/14 04:01 PM

i think Curtis's problem is that he's not captain of his own ship, so to speak. What to do when the boss looks only to the bucks and ignores the ethical context. That's a real toughy. I'm no expert on such things, but I think that letting the boss know your perspective as clearly as possible, maybe in writing (?) is all you can do short of quitting, Curtis.
Posted by: Reboot

Re: Moral dilemma - 02/22/14 04:06 PM

Originally Posted By: yoyo52
I'm no expert on such things, but I think that letting the boss know your perspective as clearly as possible, maybe in writing (?) is all you can do short of quitting, Curtis.
Yeah, and then hope those values can pay the bills.
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Moral dilemma - 02/22/14 04:08 PM

Exactly the problem, Jim.
Posted by: Acumowchek

Re: Moral dilemma - 02/22/14 04:29 PM

Of course I'm going to do it.
It's my job.
After all, no one can blame ME for it, right?

I'm only following orders, Mein Kapitän. crazy
Posted by: steveg

Re: Moral dilemma - 02/22/14 04:52 PM

Not a problem at all. If you follow the example of the AZ bill, one can also break a legal contract if it can be shown that the terms therein are against your religious principles. So… your rent or mortgage can be against your religion; as can utility bills; as can credit card payments; etc. I know I find all of these things highly offensive and pray daily that they will all go away! whistle

But seriously, I worked at an ad agency in Boston in the mid-80s. One of our biggest clients was the Christian Science Monitor. The paper, of course, has always been held in high esteem as a news organization — and a line of Cadbury cookies for which the client bought licensing rights (go figure) was a ton of fun to work on. But we also occasionally had to work on Church-related projects, like their so-called Nursing Guide (don't ask crazy ).

About that time, the sh¡t hit the media fan when a young boy died from an impacted bowel because his Christian Science parents refused to have him treated by medical doctors. Talk a/b squirm-worthy! eek I was the lead art director on much of that business, and asked to be taken off of it as a matter of conscience. Management, in their compassion and understanding, took me off that account. And BASF. And Reebok. And Bank of Boston... 'Nudder words, I was sacked on the spot! shocked

Yeah, some employers can't spell conscience, let alone have one.
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Moral dilemma - 02/22/14 05:41 PM

I always liked going to the mother church and whispering "your religion makes no sense at all" over and over again. The looks at the other end of the room were sometimes priceless.
Posted by: steveg

Re: Moral dilemma - 02/22/14 06:39 PM

You either whispered into a PA system, or it was a teeny-weeny room. laugh
Posted by: MrB

Re: Moral dilemma - 02/22/14 10:30 PM

I feel a person should do as his values say he should. Though, I've read where some retail clerks wouldn't sell contraceptives because they felt it was against their beliefs. In those cases we thought they were nuts.

So go figure. crazy

Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Moral dilemma - 02/22/14 10:58 PM

It was the whispering gallery in the dome. Whisper at one end, and the guy at the other end hears you clear as a bell. No PA system needed.
Posted by: steveg

Re: Moral dilemma - 02/23/14 11:10 AM

That's the domest thing I evah hoid! shocked
Posted by: Acumowchek

Re: Moral dilemma - 02/23/14 03:09 PM

You little devil, you!
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Moral dilemma - 02/23/14 03:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Acumowchek
You little devil, you!

Says the guy with the big fat horn on his head! laugh
Posted by: garyW

Re: Moral dilemma - 02/23/14 05:57 PM

A very good friend of mine is a successful film editor and over dinner a few months ago told a story of his "early years" working in Miami for a production studio. They ran film to broadcast tape video transfers, and in that work flow once the transfers are made the intermediate broadcast cassettes were given to the client or destroyed. One of the clients was a soft porn outfit called Score. Against the industry standards or whatever, the cassettes are not to be recycled and resold. Needless to say, at a NFL game on the stadium jumbotron, an ad for another client was aired and then when right into the last 15 seconds of a promo for "Big Boob Cruise". Karma sucks. laugh