apple to open up DRM in iTunes

Posted by: sean

apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/17/07 01:15 PM

this would be huge, i'd think . . . maybe bigger than the iPhone?<br><br><a href="http://www.tech.co.uk/home-entertainment/hi-fi-and-audio/hi-fi-amps-and-receivers/news/apple-to-open-up-fairplay-drm?articleid=394429162">link here</a><br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/17/07 01:52 PM

A crack in the DRM doorway. It's got to open up all the way, and I expect will at some point sooner rather than later.<br><br>
Posted by: MacGizmo

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/17/07 06:22 PM

I guess I just don't understand all this DRM talk. I can take an iTunes-purchased song and play it on ANY device by ANY manufacturer that plays MP3s, .wav, .aif or any format Quicktime supports. It takes one click in iTunes to convert the song to MP3. Ooooohhh, I can see how Apple has completely locked everyone else out. Puhleez!<br><br>About the time that Apple finally opens the DRM completely, the record labels will jack the price up to the point where people go back to pirating the music anyway.<br><br>CreativeGuy for daily tips, tricks and commentary on all things graphic design.
Posted by: sean

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/17/07 08:06 PM

maybe it's one click for you, but the average user gets the following message when trying to one-click to MP3:<br><br><img src="http://homepage.mac.com/jayhawk/.Pictures/iTMS_cant_convert.jpg" width="478" height="151" alt=""/><br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05
Posted by: Trog

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/17/07 09:20 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>It takes one click in iTunes to convert the song to MP3. Ooooohhh, I can see how Apple has completely locked everyone else out. Puhleez!<p><hr></blockquote><p>Can you please show me how you do that? I don't care if it takes 1 click or 20 clicks, but if you have to burn the files to a CD that doesn't count.<br><br>
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/17/07 09:34 PM

As I recall, with Toast 6, you could make a disk image and that was good enough to strip the DRM . . . just open the image and export the file to your desktop as AIFF, and you're all set. That was made impossible in Toast 7. Fortunately, I kept a copy of Toast 6 on my HD.<br><br>
Posted by: Trog

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/17/07 10:03 PM

Really? I thought it was a change in the AAC format (with a new version of iTunes) that blocked that. So, it still works to this day?<br><br>
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/17/07 10:43 PM

Just did it with some music I bought a couple of weeks ago.<br><br>
Posted by: Pete

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/18/07 09:09 AM

"Night Train" - Guns N Roses? <br><br>
Posted by: sean

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/18/07 09:55 AM

my version is by james brown, fwiw.<br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05
Posted by: MacGizmo

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/18/07 06:01 PM

Well I stand corrected. I used to be able to convert it to MP3 - I dunno when/how it changed. That being said, the ole burn to disc image does still work as it creates an .aiff file which of course can't contain a DRM.<br><br>CreativeGuy for daily tips, tricks and commentary on all things graphic design.
Posted by: Trog

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/18/07 06:26 PM

True, but even then only some versions of certain burning applications allow it. <br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: trey

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/18/07 06:32 PM

That's likely becuase you haven't allowed Toast to update. There was an update -- I won't even attempt to guess which -- to Toast 6 that disabled the ability to use iTMS protected content.<br><br>And there's always jHymn.<br><br>
Posted by: Trog

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/18/07 06:37 PM

jHymn hasn't worked since iTunes 5.<br><br>
Posted by: trey

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/18/07 07:30 PM

Um, I use it all the time... hold on, let me check.<br><br>
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/18/07 07:39 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>you haven't allowed Toast to update<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>Heh heh heh.<br><br>
Posted by: trey

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/18/07 07:42 PM

Ok, I just used it, and it works. I think they just say that on the front page to mislead you.<br><br>
Posted by: Trog

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/18/07 07:59 PM

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Posted by: Trog

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/18/07 08:08 PM

Bah! I just wasn't meant to use the iTMS. It knows I hate it and is thwarting my every move to remove its diseased code.<br><br>I can only assume this means that it doesn't run on Intel Macs. It won't even load.<br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: trey

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/18/07 08:26 PM

Yeah, it's probably not universal. But it sure does work, I'm stripping the DRM off of some reggae albums <s>for a friend</s> to put in my archive.<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: SacredBovine

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/22/07 07:37 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>apple to open up DRM in iTunes - this would be huge, i'd think . . . maybe bigger than the iPhone?<p><hr></blockquote><p>Too little, too late perhaps?<br><br>
Posted by: sean

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/22/07 08:21 PM

wow, that's really nice to read. it's even bigger than just apple opening things up as that could be the whole industry. <br><br>cool, if it happens. and it's bigger than the iPhone. <br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05
Posted by: SacredBovine

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/22/07 09:23 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>it's bigger than the iPhone<p><hr></blockquote><p>Why, it's even bigger than a big thing on national really big day. <br><br>I don't think it's going to do Apple any harm, as the market's already theirs - it certainly pleases anti-DRM curmudgeons like me. <br><br>
Posted by: sean

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/23/07 04:55 AM

the only way it could hurt apple is that all MP3 players will then be able to advertise that their player now works with iTunes music.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Why, it's even bigger than a big thing on national really big day.<p><hr></blockquote><p>that's pretty big. i have a feeling that MacGizmo will show up and say, "big deal." he'd be right you know?<br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05
Posted by: MacGizmo

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/23/07 07:01 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>i have a feeling that MacGizmo will show up and say, "big deal."<p><hr></blockquote><p>Well, considering we're no longer on the same topic, I won't say that. The original post was about APPLE opening up the DRM on their own (more or less) without the record label's blessing. This would have most likely led to the labels either pulling their catalogs from Apple, or letting Apple continue to sell, but at a much higher rate.<br><br>Now if the RECORD LABEL decides to allow selling of DRM-less music, that's a little different. But keep this in mind.<br><br>APPLE is the one that controls the DRM, not the labels. Just because the labels say Apple doesn't need the DRM, doesn't mean that Apple will remove the iPod-only limitation. I'm sure Apple will probably try to do something to keep iTS tracks playing on only iPods (who could blame them).<br><br>My entire point to this is that I find it comical that people complain about Apple's practices in this matter when it's really no different than say, a carmaker putting an engine in their cars that will only fit in their brand of cars. How is that so wrong? Apple made the iPod, Apple developed the iTS, Apple takes all the risk - so Apple should be the only one who profits off it. People who don't like it should bitch to Rhapsody to get a better business model together.<br><br>CreativeGuy for daily tips, tricks and commentary on all things graphic design.
Posted by: Trog

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/23/07 08:31 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>when it's really no different than say, a carmaker putting an engine in their cars that will only fit in their brand of cars. How is that so wrong? <p><hr></blockquote><p>Huh? You want to take the engine from your car and stick it in another one?<br><br>How long ago was it that you bought a CD? You know, "compact discs". That was the leading media for quality digital music for a couple decades. They were overpriced (on purpose, illegally)... but that's another story.<br><br>You could play them in your car stereo, your home stereo, your buddy's stereo, your work stereo, etc. No one was complaining about the fact that these CDs were made by different record producers or sold by tower records or Wal-mart. It was music that YOU bought. Yes, the copyrights existed, but it was 100% accepted that I could play that music in any device I chose. They still exist, of course, but their days are numbered.<br><br>Now we have you actually defending billion-dollar corporations for taking that musical freedom away? What on Earth are they paying you?<br><br>I'm sorry if I'm ranting, but its bad enough that we have so many in the "that's-just-the-way-it-is" crowd. "Chuckle-chuckle, you just don't understand business." <br>That's just the way it is because people are so apathetic in this country. The record labels have a white-knuckled grip on music because it frightens them that they may become obsolete. How is it the consumer's concern that their business is in jeopardy? (hint: its not) <br><br>If your business model is failing, then get more creative with business and actually contribute something new to the market, rather than use your power to take things away. That should be capitalism 101, right? How many businesses in a capitalist economy deserve such sympathy and special treatment? How about the poor slide rule? Driven right out of existence by new technology. How sad, if only they had had better legal representation and lobbyists to congress. No, actually, that's just the way it should be.<br><br>
Posted by: trey

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/23/07 09:47 AM

Amen.<br><br>
Posted by: SacredBovine

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/23/07 10:58 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>all MP3 players will then be able to advertise that their player now works with iTunes music<p><hr></blockquote><p>Which, when you take away Apple's share, amounts to five eighths of four fifths of fsck all, so no damage done there, then. <br><br>
Posted by: MacGizmo

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/23/07 11:51 AM

By your logic then, Apple should not be selling OSX unless it works on all computers by all computer makers. <br><br>We already have the "universal" audio format, as you pointed out, it's called the CD. Overpriced? Yep, but that's the way it is. Apple has offered a cheaper way to purchase your music - it's a package deal (iTS and iPod). We may not like it, but it's still better than purchasing the alternative (the overpriced CDs), is it not?<br><br>Compact discs were marketed in such a way that they would play on all CD players. Apple has never marketed iTS as working with all players - you knew that when you bought the songs. You can't play Microsoft music's DRM'd songs on an iPod either because you need WMPlayer software - but I see nobody raising holy heck over it.<br><br>Nobody is taking your musical freedoms away, because they don't owe anyone the right to begin with, and on top of that you can still purchase CDs that work on all players. The fact that many (including me) think they're overpriced is a matter of opinion - but if I don't want to pay for it, I simply don't have to buy it.<br><br>CreativeGuy for daily tips, tricks and commentary on all things graphic design.
Posted by: steveg

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/23/07 11:56 AM

Wow! Imagine OS X running on a Barbie PC. Wicked pink! <br><br>
Posted by: sean

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/23/07 12:45 PM

DRM-free music in mp3 or mp4 format and cheap: allofmp3.com <br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/23/07 03:00 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>My entire point to this is that I find it comical that people complain about Apple's practices in this matter when it's really no different than say, a carmaker putting an engine in their cars that will only fit in their brand of cars.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>Huh?<br><br>A better analogy would be, Sony putting out a TV set that will only play NBC and not CBS or ABC.<br><br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/23/07 03:10 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p><br>DRM-free music in mp3 or mp4 format and cheap: allofmp3.com <p><hr></blockquote><p>Unfortunately, from the site's own legal FAQ's:<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>We do not definitively know if importation of music from ALLOFMP3 is legal in your country. The user bears sole responsibility for any use and distribution of all materials received from ALLOFMP3. This responsibility is dependent on the national legislation in each user's country of residence. The Administration of ALLOFMP3 does not possess information on the laws of each particular country and is not responsible for the actions of foreign users. Please consult your local laws and counsel to find out before engaging in this service.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!
Posted by: Trog

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/23/07 05:02 PM

I think I can see about three points you make.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>1. Yep, but that's the way it is.<p><hr></blockquote><p>I don't think that needs another response from me. <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>2. We may not like it, but it's still better than purchasing the alternative (the overpriced CDs), is it not?<p><hr></blockquote><p> Obviously a matter of opinion, but I would say no, and that it isn't a relevant comparison. The technology to rip uncompressed music and add it to the iPod player already existed before the iTMS. Apple loves to act as if they're so innovative and such trailblazers with the iTMS. What did they really do? They had great lawyers and execs that convinced the slimy record execs to allow file downloads. File downloads. <br><br>Apple just makes the process a little easier by ripping it for you... but then strangles you with only allowing their bitrate, their player, their software, limited copying, limited machines, etc. I know its not all their fault, but if you think that a dollar a song is significantly cheaper than a CD you've been shopping in the wrong places. It ain't cheaper, and the people behind the business are just making more money by not having to deal with shipping and packaging. <br><br>I say its beside the point anyway, because the topic here is the DRM and not really the price (although that is almost as bad). Sell the file downloads without the sneaky code and this thread is moot.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>3. but if I don't want to pay for it, I simply don't have to buy it.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Of course not, I never suggested that, and I haven't bought from the iTMS in over a year. But, that's about as satisfactory as "that's just the way it is". This is the equivalent of the political nonsense: "If you don't like the U.S. you can just get out!". <br><br>
Posted by: sean

Re: apple to open up DRM in iTunes - 01/23/07 07:11 PM

that's why i included the at the end. it's likely not legal in the USA. that being said, i think it's probably something that could be considered up for interpretation and that's why the recording industry is going after allofmp3.com so hard. they figure they'll have much better success putting pressure on the american gov't to put pressure on the russians to stop alllofmp3.com than they will prosecuting folks here who buy from allofmp3.com.<br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05