Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video)

Posted by: G4Dualie

Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/20/06 06:58 PM

Putting on the Pounds... Conscientious editors are now using photoshop to add pounds on supermodels who show up to photo shoots looking gaunt.<br><br>I hope the video plays without problems. It's an H.264-encoded QT movie that measures 800 x 937. I love this codec. It gives me decent compression on large files.<br><br><embed src="http://www.timealone.com/webstuff/IV_Pump.mov" width=800 height=960 controller=true autoplay=false type="video/quicktime"><br><br><br><br><br>M i c h a e l (OFI)
Posted by: Trog

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/20/06 07:02 PM

I saw a story about that as well. I'd have to say that in this little time-lapse movie it looks more like the final product is the real one and they used photoshop to make her look super-skinny, no?<br><br>
Posted by: G4Dualie

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/20/06 07:04 PM

Well, as a matter of fact, that's exactly what I did.<br><br><br><br><br>M i c h a e l (OFI)
Posted by: Michael

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/20/06 07:08 PM

Super models aren't that thin. That's ridiculous. I never Photshopped a super model but, I remember on one poster for a woman's clothing chain store (may have been Talbots. It was a while ago) they had me fix her knees. I've had to the take the face from one photo shoot and put it on a model in a different photo shoot (not the head mind you. just the face) but having to fix a model's knees was just too weird. Although in their defense she was beautiful but, had ugly knees.<br><br>
Posted by: Michael

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/20/06 07:09 PM

That's what I was thinking. <br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/21/06 06:06 AM

I once had to do a breast reduction on a model for a series of AT&T brochures. The client felt that the model's boobs were too much of a distraction — despite the fact that no cleavage was present in any of the shots, and in most, the talent was in a business suit or an overcoat! The same nut-bar nixxed a shot of a middle-aged couple — cast as the owners of a B&B — because her hand was on his hand, and they're foreheads were touching! Filth. FILTH, I say!!! <br><br>
Posted by: trey

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/21/06 08:31 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>because her hand was on his hand, and they're foreheads were touching! Filth. FILTH, I say!!!<p><hr></blockquote><p>Whoah, that's really out there... sounds like some sort of Swedish porn!!!<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/21/06 10:11 AM

Dewd, for fifty bucks and a note from your parents, I'll send you the out-takes. <br><br><br><br>Oh crap. Wrong forum. <br><br>
Posted by: Pete

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/21/06 10:54 AM

Boobs are *always* a distraction. The war in Iraq would end tomorrow if a group of ample-bosomed women ran topless through the streets of Baghdad on a daily basis. <br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/21/06 11:12 AM

Ya think? Maybe we should test the theory on my street. [leer]<br><br>
Posted by: G4Dualie

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 09:34 AM

[color:blue]"Super models aren't that thin. That's ridiculous."</font color=blue><br><br>And you're in denial and you're part of the problem.<br><br>The death last month of a 21-year-old Br...of the problem.<br><br>Ana Carolina Reston, who modeled in China, Turkey, Mexico and Japan, died Nov. 14 at a hospital in Sao Paulo. The 5-foot-8 inch (1.72 meters) model weighed 88 pounds (40 kilos) at the time of her death.<br><br>88 pounds? Twenty-one?!! But you said supermodels aren't that thin!<br><br>Oh yeah, she wasn't a "supermodel" and so she was allowed to quietly slip into a coma. <br><br>Obviously Supermodels receive much better treatment.<br><br>I'm not talking about the models we see in TV commercials or in television news releases. I'm talking about a culture of women who have crossed a line between thin and death warmed over. I'm talking about a culture of men and women who foster a climate of fear and repercussions for failure to maintain a look of emaciation. There are THREE MILLION women in Italy alone who have crossed that line. 3 million with an eating disorder. <br><br>Dress designers don't create gowns in a size 6 and expect the models to fill them out! They design clothes in negative-number dress sizes and if you can't fit the dress you don't take the runway! They take the dress away from you and reward some other who is not afraid to make herself sick.<br><br>Sick is what's being rewarded!<br><br>The "Supermodels" we are allowed to see have doctors and trainers who are part of this highly-paid culture who can modulate a woman's weight according to their schedule of appearances. These highly paid professionals are there to keep these women alive.<br><br>Things are changing according to the article.<br><br>In September, Madrid's Fashion Week banned models with a body mass index of less than 18. Body mass index is a calculation doctors normally apply to study obesity, and anyone with an index below 18.5 is considered underweight.<br><br>In the Marine Corps we considered anyone whose body fat count exceeded 18 to be fat.<br><br><br><br>M i c h a e l (OFI)
Posted by: Michael

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 10:08 AM

Yeah and Karen Carpenter died from Anorexia and clearly Nichole Richie is anorexic. I didn't say anorexia doesn't exist. I said super models aren't flesh on bone (see Cindy Crawford, Tara Banks, Linda Evangelista, Naomi Campbell, Christy Turlington). Even Kate Moss wasn't that thin. But, a big cocaine habit helps. Some men play violent video games and go out and kill people. Most normal people don't. One has nothing to do with the other.<br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 11:04 AM

That's Wayback machine stuff. In the 60's and 70's, stick figures were the bomb. Thin is still in in very rare cases. But the trend for the last 10-12 years has been about fit, buff, even a little muscular. Schools like the Fashion Institute of Technology in NYC are teaching and advocating wellness and health as a focus of fashion design. And plus size designs are among the fastest growing fashion niches.<br><br>One skinny girl buying the farm does not an industry define. Tragic, yes. Ubiquitous, no.<br><br>
Posted by: G4Dualie

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 11:22 AM

Again, the women models you mention (American no less) are the one's who are constantly in the public eye (american television) and whose careers would suffer if they allowed their eating disorders to become unmanageable. These women are also famous for things they have accomplished since leaving the runway (american television) and how many ages ago was that? You simply choose women who support your argument. <br><br>For every Tyra Banks you bring into the spotlight, there are 100 hideous women models who are kept hidden in the shadows of anonymity.<br><br>Of course, I'm referring to the thousands of super-thin models we never see or hear of because fashion shows are rarely televised and photography is strictly controlled. We see only what the culture wants us to see. <br><br>Within that sphere of influence exists a life so hideous and sickening that if it were exposed all at once the recoil effect would decimate the fashion industry and the Karan's and Versace's of the world would become targets.<br><br>My point is, is now these "american" glam-mag art directors are perpetuating the problem by adding weight to gaunt models. Why? Because suddenly they have standards? They recognize there is a real problem going on here? You bet they do and now they are covering up a problem just like you did with the unattractive knees. <br><br>That's sick! The agent, the photographer, the designer, the art director, and all of the other people who participate in this fraud are culpable because they see the poor girl as a meal ticket and when she's dead they'll find another to replace her, from the thirty or so standing on line.<br><br>A movie exposing this industry should be forthcoming but I'm afraid fashion lobbyists will keep the lid on this as long as they agree to change; not admit they are the problem, just make it better.<br><br>Melandri and Mario Boselli, president of the Italian Fashion Chamber, which includes the fashion houses of Versace, Prada and Missoni signed off on a code of conduct that could turn this around and at least that's a start.<br><br><br><br>(AP Photo/Gregorio Borgia) :: From left, Italian designer and President of Altamoda Roma Stefano Dominella, Italian Youth Policy and Sports Minister Giovanna Melandri, President of the Italian Fashion Chamber Mario Boselli and European Affairs and Foreign Trade minister Emma Bonino sign a self-regulating code on the Italian fashion industry, in Rome, Friday, Dec. 22, 2006. Fashion industry representatives and the government on Friday signed a self-regulating code for Italy's highly competitive fashion industry, aimed at "re-evaluating a healthy, sunny, generous, Mediterranean model of beauty.'' "There's a boundary between a thin girl and a sick one that is often trespassed. Italy, with this manifesto, is committed to recognize this boundary and not trespass it'' Melandri said during the conference.<br><br>Attitudes in the fashion industry can change overnight but the residual effects of the mental anguish in the minds of these young women they will take to their grave.<br><br>Remember when plump was in? <br><br><br><br><br>M i c h a e l (OFI)
Posted by: Michael

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 11:29 AM

No fatties <br><br>
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 11:38 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Remember when plump was in?<p><hr></blockquote><p><br><br>____________________________________________________<br>Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive,<br>But to be young was very heaven!
Posted by: G4Dualie

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 11:46 AM

Speaking of NYC how about the recently held Baby Phat Show and one of its star attractions, Evgenia Madzieva? She used to look like this:<br><br><br><br>And sadly she now looks like this...<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>M i c h a e l (OFI)
Posted by: steveg

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 11:47 AM

Ok, so as an art director, if I come across a photo of an anorexic model, I should:<br><br>A. Photoshop an extra 25 lbs on her and get brownie points from Liz Claiborn<br>B. Run to the models home and force-feed her Whoppers for a week<br>C. Hang up my mouse and go on a hunger strike in protest of self-starved women<br>D. Consider my tin-foil hat a fashion accessory<br><br>What you're claiming is that the fashion industry at large is immersed in a conspiracy of global thinning! They are holding thousands of young women hostage, deprived of food and light, to further their agenda of forcing the whole world into a size 2 cocktail gown! <br><br>I'm sure these issues you decry have at least some basis in fact — but within a very limited scope. And as with virtually any conspiracy theory, there are supporting documentaries, books, blogs, and studies to be found under any wet rock. But as to the veracity of those things? Meh. <br><br>Yes, Italy has taken steps. Good news, but old news. I just don't agree that the problem is as big, as evil, and as sinister as you would have us believe.<br><br>BTW, I've been on a fabulous new diet for a month now. And so far, I've lost... a month! <br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 11:57 AM

And this is the result of mind control exercised by the industry? This is an emotional disorder that also afflicts tens of thousands of women who have nothing to do with the fashion world.<br><br>
Posted by: G4Dualie

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 12:13 PM

Yes, Italy has taken steps. Good news, but old news.<br><br>They signed off on this yesterday and the fact that they signed anything at all draws attention to the fact that it is a problem and you think the news is good. Why do you think it's good? <br><br>First Spain, now Italy is following suit.<br><br>I think you're ignorant about the scope of the problem. In fact I don't think you know much about it at all. If your smart-assed resolutions, of which D fits you to a tee, is any indication of the extent and breadth of your knowledge in the matter then you should keep moving because you aren't likely to contribute anything constructive. Besides, the exercise might do you some good.<br><br>The problem with mind, body, and image started with Barbie and now is being perpetuated in young girls minds with Bratz. Eight-year-olds wearing padded bras... phhfffftt!<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>M i c h a e l (OFI)
Posted by: G4Dualie

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 12:20 PM

This is an emotional disorder that also afflicts tens of thousands of women who have nothing to do with the fashion world.<br><br>Ah, so you do understand. I stand corrected. Tens of thousands of young women who have absolutely nothing to do with the industry are enthralled and motivated by an extremely small group of highly influential people that make up the fashion industry.<br><br><br>M i c h a e l (OFI)
Posted by: steveg

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 12:32 PM

Yes, I do understand. Anorexia and other eating disorders are not necessarily associated with or influenced by the fashion industry. You're making a baseless blanket assumption.<br><br>
Posted by: Michael

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 12:37 PM

Models cause anorexia, violent games cause psychopaths and the white man is the root of problems on this planet.<br><br><object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/g-_K0Hlvyys"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/g-_K0Hlvyys" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object><br><br>
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 12:44 PM

So the KKK mentality knows no racial boundaries. As Hamlet says to Polonius when he says that the players are come to Elsinore, "Buzz buzz."<br><br>____________________________________________________<br>Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive,<br>But to be young was very heaven!
Posted by: Michael

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 12:56 PM

Speaking of Hamlet. Have you ever seen Strange Brew. I loved that movie when it came out in 1983. But, it was years later that I realized it's completely based on Hamlet. <br><br>
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 12:57 PM

Haven't seen it. Next time I get drunk <br><br>____________________________________________________<br>Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive,<br>But to be young was very heaven!
Posted by: steveg

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 12:59 PM

Italy may have just signed this action yesterday, but is has been in development for over year. And it's good news because it is intended to prevent a small problem from becoming a larger one. However, you're convinced that it's already the larger problem. I disagree. So I guess that makes me a smartass? <br><br>And just FYI, I know more about the industry than you assume I do — both personally and professionally. So before you start calling people ignorant, you might want to recognize that that there are points of view, sets of facts, and circumstances other than those you so passionately subscribe to.<br><br>Fashion is just one industry that sometimes exerts negative influence on society. So does big tobacco. So does automotive. So does music and entertainment. You're taking a small segment and turning into a world dominating plague.<br><br>And regarding "D"... Dewd, I'm not the one screaming "The Sky is Falling". But I do think that hat looks fab-O on you. Maybe an ostrich feather or a big opal pin... <br><br>
Posted by: Michael

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 12:59 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Next time I get drunk<p><hr></blockquote><p>Good idea. <br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 01:06 PM

Well I'm glad to see that someone around here gets it! Damned whiteys. <br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 01:09 PM

Except that the robes would be, what... black?<br><br>
Posted by: G4Dualie

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 01:16 PM

Models cause anorexia, violent games cause psychopaths and the white man is the root of problems on this planet.<br><br>I resent your implication and reject your beliefs.<br><br>I don't expect you to understand the causal factors associated with unhealthy emulation and aspiration especially when you have never raised a child, much less a young impressionable girl who is constantly bombarded with iconic images and the cleverly sadistic marketing campaigns cultivated in the name of capitalism.<br><br>There was a time when it was quaint and funny for men to brag about how they kept their women folk in line with an attitude adjustment.<br><br>There was a time when it was humorous to talk openly about sex with adolescents.<br><br>There was a time when it was humorous to talk or brag about lynching blacks for looking at a white woman.<br><br>And today some remark, "yup, those were the good old days."<br><br>This issue of mind, body, and image is beyond your comprehension so you make fun of what you don't understand. Call me alarmist, I don't care, but don't pretend you understand and wave it off when confronted with the facts. You are part of the problem and you're in it up to your knees, remember? Took money for it too.<br><br><br>M i c h a e l (OFI)
Posted by: Michael

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 01:20 PM

OK Ruse. Why don't you write a book? So you can get paid for your brilliance and unique insight. <br><br><br><br>
Posted by: G4Dualie

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 01:23 PM

I once had to do a breast reduction on a model for a series of AT&T brochures. The client felt that the model's boobs were too much of a distraction — despite the fact that no cleavage was present in any of the shots<br><br>Very interesting indeed... one had nothing to do with the other. But you complied with his request, took the money, and waited for another job to come along. You're part of the problem.<br><br><br>M i c h a e l (OFI)
Posted by: G4Dualie

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 01:24 PM

Ron Howard could make a better movie.<br><br><br>M i c h a e l (OFI)
Posted by: carp

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 01:25 PM

[color:blue]No fatties</font color=blue><br>A friend once told me , he was dating at the time a pleasantly plump gal. I mention "Whoa she a nice one" he then said "Fat women need loving too" <br><br>
Posted by: SparkCollector

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 01:35 PM

Yeesh.<br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 01:36 PM

Right. Absolutely. I'm so ashamed.<br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 01:41 PM

Face it Michael, you and I are just a couple of dumb zunes. We don't know nuthin' and we're selfish sluts to boot. <br><br>
Posted by: Michael

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 01:46 PM

Ron Howard could make a better movie.<br><br>But, not in 1983.<br><br>
Posted by: G4Dualie

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 01:54 PM

And just FYI, I know more about the industry than you assume I do — both personally and professionally. So before you start calling people ignorant, you might want to recognize that that there are points of view, sets of facts, and circumstances other than those you so passionately subscribe to.<br><br>Your part of the problem... Steve. You accept money for perpetuating the fraud.<br><br>Fashion is just one industry that sometimes exerts negative influence on society.<br><br>I choose fashion because I raised two daughters who grew into very independent women in their own right. The oldest practices law in the Bay Area and the other is an elementary school teacher in Phoenix. Unlike big tobacco, automotive, or entertainment, fashion had the greatest impact and influence on their lives.<br><br>Who is the greater influence on your daughter's life? Fashion or big tobacco? If she's a typical tweenager she heavily influences your buying decisions.<br><br>And your characterization of my "screaming the sky is falling" is way overblown. You and Michael protest too much.<br><br>This post has simply been an exercise to influence your next decision to accept money for altering reality, that's all. I just want people who are "in the business" to consider what it is they are doing. <br><br>We, as artists are called upon at times, to alter reality in order to influence people's perceptions and buying decisions. We change reality by removing flaws and impediments and for what? to achieve perfection? Ha! Nobody's perfect but retouchers try real hard and therein lies the greatest flaw of all.<br><br><br>M i c h a e l (OFI)
Posted by: G4Dualie

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 02:13 PM

Ron Howard could make a better movie.<br><br>But, not in 1983.<br><br>In 1983 he couldn't have filmed a movie inside the Louvre, either.<br><br><br>M i c h a e l (OFI)
Posted by: steveg

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 02:22 PM

You really need to back off the assumptions and the accusations. Fashion never exerted any influence on either of my two daughters — certainly not to the extent you seem to think it has. The biggest influence on my girls has been my wife and me. You can think I'm part of all these problems if you so choose. Just as long as you accept the fact that I don't see you as the solution.<br><br>I am impressed, however, that you seem to believe you possess the power to influence my career. Now that's rich! <br><br>I suggest you look out for yourself and your own. Don't presume to know who I am, how I make my living, or what my family life is. Because beyond what few anecdotal details I post here occasionally, you know jack zune about me.<br><br>
Posted by: Michael

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/23/06 03:36 PM

I read The Da Vinci Code and Angels & Demons and I wish they hadn't let Ron Howard near it now. <br><br>
Posted by: G4Dualie

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/24/06 09:39 AM

Really? What did he do to the story that Brown didn't already skew? I read Da Vinci and saw the movie and both were okay as far as thriller/mysteries, neither worth revisiting.<br><br>My purpose of raising the specter of Howard was that he is golden right now and could do and make anything he wanted. I'm sure it's a nice place to be.<br><br><br>M i c h a e l (OFI)
Posted by: G4Dualie

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/24/06 10:43 AM

Before you came in here and made this thread all about you, we were discussing the problem with skinny models and in light of the recent death of the Brazilian girl I say it's a problem that is just beginning to draw the ire of the public.<br><br>As it is your wont to "handle" every situation, you assure everyone your monitoring things from NYC and say I'm being alarmist. When challenged you immediately begin offering up your credentials! <br><br>I say emaciated models have been a problem and the trend began ever since Twiggy hit the runway and it's about time the fashion industry developed their Code of Conduct and you said that was old news. You picked some arbitrary time-frame and said this started a year ago. Show me how the intervention began a year ago. What exactly was the tipping point as you see it there steve?<br><br>When I read the news of that lovely young lady's death I began googling everything I could read about the matter and hell yes, I became alarmed. TWO MIIION pages on the subject of skinny models! Of course I've only been reading about it since mid-November but you on the other hand, not to be outdone, have been on this for a year. But if it's all the same to you Steve, I'll defer to the subject-matter experts.<br><br>Fashion influences everyone and everything steve. Fashion drives consumerism. Fashion and sex are synonymous. When you're are challenged about that you begin trying to moderate the discussion. <br><br>It's very telling indeed that you are insulted by the word "ignorant" as though I am belittling you, when in fact what I am saying is I have read more about this subject in the last few weeks than I ever imagined possible and you try to lay this at the feet of a few mentally-imbalanced skinny models. You aren't ignorant steve, you're naive.<br><br>"Il faut souffrir pour tre belle."<br><br>It's hard to believe young boys are still being killed for their shoes!<br><br><br>M i c h a e l (OFI)
Posted by: steveg

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/24/06 10:59 AM

Still on the assumption trail, I see. Including where I live. Not in NYC for some time now. Oops! And you're still having difficulty with someone disagreeing with your point. Oh well, rant on if you must. Ring the alarm loudly and save the world. Good luck, Crusader. As for me, there are so many more problems I must become part of, and so little time. <br><br>
Posted by: G4Dualie

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/24/06 11:06 AM

I know jack zune about you.<br><br><br><br><br>M i c h a e l (OFI)
Posted by: steveg

Re: Phattening with Photoshop (500k Video) - 12/24/06 11:21 AM

Glad we agree on something.<br><br>