Something horrifying

Posted by: yoyo52

Something horrifying - 11/16/06 07:21 PM

This is just astonishing.<br><br>____________________________________________________<br>Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive,<br>But to be young was very heaven!
Posted by: carp

Re: Something horrifying - 11/16/06 08:12 PM

[color:blue]Here's your Patriot Act, here's your f&*$ing abuse of power," while he struggled with the officers.</font color=blue> - Well I dunno that came after the first taser<br><br>[color:blue]CSOs asked a male student using a computer in the back of the room to leave when he was unable to produce a BruinCard during a random check. The student did not exit the building immediately.</font color=blue><br><br>I am not defending CSO - However what the video does not show is what happened at the computer desk , does show CSO heading to the exit - with student yelling "don't touch me" which to me means that the student was being escorted out.<br><br>The student was defiant during and even after he was tasered - Did he deserve it ? I dunno I was not there to witness the whole event. However if you decide to be a real priick with authorities you can find yourself with some kind of trouble.<br><br>Bottom Line;<br>1 - Was the student without a Bruin-Card a student ? a rapist ? a murderer ? a robber ? a guest priick or just a Bruin priick who forgot his school ID card ?<br><br>2 - Did the CSO over react = YES<br><br>Simply the way that the law would look at this is ;<br>1 - Priick did not have a BruinCard ID so therefore he should have NOT have been in the library to begin with , which started his ordeal <-- his fault . Much like the view of a person with a suspended drivers license , driving on the road and gets into an accident <-- that driver was NOT supposed to be on the road in the first place <-- his fault.<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: polymerase

Re: Something horrifying - 11/16/06 08:14 PM

That was torture pure and simple. Campus cops have tasers? He didn't have his Bruin's card on him? Are they going to start tasering when you are late for class? <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: polymerase

Re: Something horrifying - 11/16/06 08:20 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Simply the way that the law would look at this is ;<br>1 - Priick did not have a BruinCard ID so therefore he should have NOT have been in the library to begin with , which started his ordeal <-- his fault . Much like the view of a person with a suspended drivers license , driving on the road and gets into an accident <-- that driver was NOT supposed to be on the road in the first place <-- his fault.<br><p><hr></blockquote><p>You taser someone for not having an ID? You taser someone for an expired drver's license?<br><br>No, you taser someone because you have a Taser and you're a prick. <br><br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: carp

Re: Something horrifying - 11/16/06 08:35 PM

LOL<br><br>He was taser for obstructing orders from CSO - has nothing to do at that point about having a card or NOT.<br><br>Simply<br>Not having a card is what got him in trouble - Fighting with CSO is what got him the taser. <br><br>Still like I said CSO over reacted - They could have handcuff the priick and carried him off campus . IMO<br><br>
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Something horrifying - 11/16/06 08:53 PM

I've been on college campuses since 1970, and I have to tell you that the idea that you always have to carry a campus ID with you is not exactly commonplace. I don't know what other circumstances were involved in this, but those campus cops need a little tasering themselves.<br><br>____________________________________________________<br>Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive,<br>But to be young was very heaven!
Posted by: sean

Re: Something horrifying - 11/16/06 09:06 PM

1) UCLA students are going to make this a HUGE issue. Tasers will be gone from campus.<br>2) i see the ACLU getting involved -- get it -- ACLU vs UCLA.<br>3) the officers involved may have started with good intentions (debatable), but the screwed up big time even using the taser on the student after they handcuffed him. these officers will be seeking new employment.<br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05
Posted by: carp

Re: Something horrifying - 11/16/06 09:08 PM

Maybe because of all those campuses "rapes" in the last few years - I dunno<br>I am sure that the campuses were questioned about "where" was security for students when those acts of crime happened ? ? and still can you tell me that this priick was not a perp ?<br><br>Anyway - Still I feel CSO should not have a taser but they do just goes to show you the signs of times = Violence on campuses and the Guards are nervous .<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: sean

Re: Something horrifying - 11/16/06 09:11 PM

this student didn't appear to be a threat. he was asked to leave and didn't. the library staff called security. the kid started to leave (keep in mind that he really was a student using the library). security shows up as student is leaving and they grab him by the arm. he tells them he's leaving and to let go. they taser him. they took a small situation and blew it way, way out of proportion. their escalation is what made this an issue. there's a reason that every student in the library was telling the cops to stop. the kids asked the officers for their badge numbers and an officer threatened a kid for asking. legally, cops can't threaten a person for asking a cop for his/her badge number. these cops went overboard. idiots.<br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05
Posted by: drjohn

Re: Something horrifying - 11/16/06 09:39 PM

Speaking of something horrifying:<br><br>Oral Roberts stuns No. 3 Kansas<br><br>Looks like your guys need to get some religion. <br><br>In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. Douglas Adams<br>
Posted by: Celandine

Re: Something horrifying - 11/16/06 10:00 PM

Am I "Projecting" here?<br><br>...or will this scene become common place for the rest of us<br>when we're unable to produce "OUR PAPERS (please)" on Demand?<br><br>...and to "Good Samaritans" that attempt to come to our aid<br>by asking for a badge number, or caught taking pictures for evidence?<br><br>...while the majority of onlookers stand idly by mumbling;<br>"the guy MUST have deserved it, or 'THEY' wouldn't be doing that to him."<br><br>I doano... kinda' scary... or is it just my old "Tricky Dicky"<br>daze of "Abuse of Power" in the East Village creeping back to haunt me?<br><br><br>Holy Spit<br>I'm starting to sound like The Great Divide!<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: OSXaddict

Re: Something horrifying - 11/17/06 03:47 AM

I agree with Carp.<br><br>First, unless you were there the whole time, nobody knows what started it. I would like to hear from a student that was next to this guy.<br><br>As a former police officer, I'll give a viewpoint from the other side. Not saying what these guys did was right, but just some perspective.<br><br>First about the taser. Had they not had the taser (not justifying the use of it here, just some info) then they would have 3 alternatives: nightstick, weapon, or pressure techniques. Weapon obviously not. Nightstick...chances of seriously hurting someone more is higher.<br><br>Pressure techniques like wrist locks, etc that are only painful if someone resists. Obviously this guy was resisting.<br><br>Resisting arrest is illegal...passive or aggressive resisting. I don't know about the laws in California, but in most states if an officer gives you a lawful direction ("you can't stop here, you need to move your vehicle", "you need to exit the building" etc) it is your duty to comply. Failure to do so may result in your arrest.<br><br>If an officer were to come in my house to question me and decides to arrest me for whatever reason, it is my duty to comply and go with him. Resisting is still resisting, whether the officer was right or wrong. That is what the legal system is supposed to be there for...so that if it was a wrongful arrest, you can sue the city/officer.<br><br>Why didn't this student just get up and go? Why give them such a hard time? Why were the officers there in the first place? Were they called or did they just show up?<br><br>Lots of questions that nobody here really knows. But I'm going to reserve judgement on either side. But my personal opinion is that yes, it does look bad to be using a Taser. Hope they didn't screw up and let their emotions get the best of them. (yes, they ARE human and prone to mistakes. People tend to forget that part.)<br><br><br><br>From wikipedia:<br>Resisting arrest is a term used in the United States (and possibly elsewhere) to describe a criminal charge against an individual who has committed at least any one of the following acts:<br>Eluding a police officer who is attempting to arrest the individual<br>Using or threatening to use force against an officer during an arrest<br>Providing an officer with false identification (either verbally or by presentation of a false official document, i.e. a fake ID)<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>From here<br>Resisting arrest<br>iResisting an arrest is a misdemeanor. It is also a misdemeanor to interfere with an officer while he is engaged in official duties. Resisting arrest typically comes in the form of an arrestee physically struggling with an officer as he tries to place on handcuffs, or when the arrestee struggles as he is being placed in a patrol car or jail cell.<br>Interfering with the duties of an officer typically occurs when a person attempts to physically restrain an officer to prevent the arrest of another, or when a person is verbally abusive or taunting an officer as he is engaged in his duties.<br><br>Defense to resisting arrest<br>A common defense to resisting arrest is that the officer acted with excessive force. While an arrestee is expected to comply with an officer's reasonable actions to affect an arrest, the arrestee is allowed to defend himself from unreasonable, excessive force used by the officer.<p><hr></blockquote><p>
Posted by: sean

Re: Something horrifying - 11/17/06 04:46 AM

resisting arrest assumes he was being arrested. he was just being asked to leave. they didn't place him under arrest until later after he'd been tasered. i am sure the defense will have an easy argument that he couldn't comply because he had been tasered. the research will reveal that he possibly couldn't stand up for 5 - 15 minutes even though the cops (or security guards) will telling him to get up. my guess is that the 50 witnesses will not corroborate the police version. in fact, many of the witnesses were threatened with force (e.g., being tasered) just because they asked the cop(s) for their badge number. a dopey jerk of a student may have started it, but the cops escalated this far beyond what it should have been. i just read that the student hired a high profile lawyer and is suing the cops. i guess we'll learn more some day.<br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by sean on 11/17/06 08:19 AM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Something horrifying - 11/17/06 04:53 AM

To make matters more interesting, turns out the kid is a Muslim.<br><br>edit: Here is the account in the UCLA newspaper. A snippet: [color:blue]the student had begun to walk toward the door with his backpack when an officer approached him and grabbed his arm, at which point the student told the officer to let him go. A second officer then approached the student as well. <br><br>The student began to yell "get off me," repeating himself several times. <br><br>It was at this point that the officers shot the student with a Taser for the first time, causing him to fall to the floor and cry out in pain. The student also told the officers he had a medical condition. </font color=blue><br><br>____________________________________________________<br>Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive,<br>But to be young was very heaven!<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by yoyo52 on 11/17/06 08:01 AM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>
Posted by: sean

Re: Something horrifying - 11/17/06 05:12 AM

doh, i am still in mourning.<br><br>fortunately (or unfortunately) we get to play #1 florida in just over a week and beating them would erase the bad taste in my mouth. but, if we play like we did against ORU then we'll lose 150 - 7. <br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05
Posted by: Mississauga

Re: Something horrifying - 11/17/06 05:22 AM

The most astonishing thing is that no one put a chair or two over the heads of those dicks! Must be a university full of pussies. Legalities be damned; I would have risked jail time to hand out a little vigilante justice to those uniformed thugs!<br><br>- alec -
Posted by: walzuhair

Re: Something horrifying - 11/17/06 05:31 AM

Tasers at educational grounds? <br>Ah, I can just see the ripple effect.. <br><br>www.waleedsgallery.biz<br>
Posted by: OSXaddict

Re: Something horrifying - 11/17/06 05:41 AM

It shouldn't matter if he's muslim, christian, wickin, agnostic, or whatever.<br><br>But if the rest of what you say is true, then I agree that it was wrong. <br><br>
Posted by: polymerase

Re: Something horrifying - 11/17/06 06:01 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p><br>Tasers at educational grounds?<br>Ah, I can just see the ripple effect.. <p><hr></blockquote><p>B.F. Skinner showed this be be an effective technique.<br><br>"OK, everyone who received a D or F please proceed to the tasering hall. And please make sure you show your student ID tattoo so you are in the right line for the correct voltage. Freddie, you too, I have a note from the librarian you have I'm OK, You're OK overdue three weeks. That's goin' to leave a mark."<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: padmavyuha

Re: Something horrifying - 11/17/06 06:36 AM

If I remember my college days, just having to hand in work at all was considered equivalent to a tasering...<br><br>[color:purple]A lopsided man runs best along the little side-hills of success<br>- Frank Moore Colby</font color=purple>
Posted by: walzuhair

Re: Something horrifying - 11/17/06 06:36 AM

LOL...<br><br>www.waleedsgallery.biz<br>
Posted by: Pete

Re: Something horrifying - 11/17/06 06:55 AM

The student also told the officers he had a medical condition. <br><br>I'd probably say that too in order to get out of a tasering. <br><br>
Posted by: Trog

Re: Something horrifying - 11/17/06 07:45 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>First about the taser. Had they not had the taser (not justifying the use of it here, just some info) then they would have 3 alternatives: nightstick, weapon, or pressure techniques.<p><hr></blockquote><p>For the first instance of using the Taser, refer to all the things that Sean said, but one of the reasons this is obvious brutality is the repeated use of the weapon. Its ridiculous to assume that multiple cops couldn't get a cuff on him after he was lying on the floor. You notice they keep yelling at him to "get up". Why? Just grab him and drag him out. Its as if they were looking for more reasons to keep hitting him with the Taser. Sick.<br><br>
Posted by: SparkCollector

Re: Something horrifying - 11/17/06 08:44 AM

University rent-a-cops.<br><br>Probably couldn't pass the police academy tests.<br><br>
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Something horrifying - 11/17/06 10:52 AM

I was thinking the same thing, Alec. The girls who kept asking to see the cops' badge number: well-intentioned, but . . . .<br><br>____________________________________________________<br>Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive,<br>But to be young was very heaven!
Posted by: Celandine

Re: Something horrifying - 11/17/06 02:30 PM

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Posted by: Pete

Re: Something horrifying - 11/17/06 05:39 PM

From what I've read now on the matter, the kid *was* trying to incite some sort of group action, and a lot of his fellow students just sorta gathered around and stared at what was going on.<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: sean

Re: Something horrifying - 11/17/06 07:00 PM

yeah, i've heard the kid was a jerk about things . . . but they handcuffed him and continued tasering him. and, even tasered him in the ass at the end. even if the cops were right, i can see a jury reacting much like many of us reacted to the video itself. plus, the kid has witnesses who thought the police were overdoing it. i see a settlement because the LA police want this to go away. the jerk of a student will end up getting paid.<br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05
Posted by: carp

Re: Something horrifying - 11/17/06 07:08 PM

From John post<br>[color:blue]Resisting arrest<br>resisting an arrest is a misdemeanor. It is also a misdemeanor to interfere with an officer while he is engaged in official duties. Resisting arrest typically comes in the form of an arrestee physically struggling with an officer as he tries to place on handcuffs, or when the arrestee struggles as he is being placed in a patrol car or jail cell.<br>Interfering with the duties of an officer typically occurs when a person attempts to physically restrain an officer to prevent the arrest of another, or when a person is verbally abusive or taunting an officer as he is engaged in his duties.</font color=blue><br><br>From YoYo post<br>[color:blue]the student had begun to walk toward the door with his backpack when an officer approached him and grabbed his arm, at which point the student told the officer to let him go</font color=blue> = Clearly seems to me that the student was at this point either resisting arrest and or interfering with the duties of an officer = Case closed.<br><br>[color:blue]The student also told the officers he had a medical condition.</font color=blue> - Unless the student had a clearly visible "Medical Alert" bracelet or necklace , no one on this planet would believe want a person says is true . After all don't all perps say before a confrontation with authorities that they either have AIDs or some other medical condition.<br><br>Still the bottom line is the student was where he was not supposed to be without a ID - This would have never happened if he followed the rules. He alone brought this upon himself .<br><br>Now<br>The student can file a assesive force complaint and possibly sue the school .<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: sean

Re: Something horrifying - 11/17/06 07:24 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Clearly seems to me that the student was at this point either resisting arrest and or interfering with the duties of an officer = Case closed.<p><hr></blockquote><p>when i was in high school, i saw a fight happening in a parking lot. the cops came and i was apparently too close to the fight. a cop put his hand on my arm and asked me to leave the scene. i didn't like that the cop touched me when i wasn't under arrest and i am pretty sure i wasn't under arrest at that point. when the kid told the officer to let go, the kid was not under arrest so that couldn't be resisting arrest could it? <br><br>the student was likely the biggest jerk in the world, but the officers went too far and helped to escalate the situation.<br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05
Posted by: Celandine

Re: Something horrifying - 11/17/06 10:51 PM

YA' know what scares me?<br><br>Bush's NEW LAWS...that make it possible for <br>"Officers" to just spirit you away to possibly be <br>renditioned as an Enemy Combatant, without Legal <br>Recourse, or Rules of Habeas Corpus. <br><br>In that case, to "Go Quietly" could well mean disappearing<br>without a trace perhaps forever, if you die in custody (Which<br>may begin happening with increasing frequency since to release<br>the people that have been wrongfully detained (for up to 10 years)<br>these people try to bring suit against the Government for the abuses<br>done to their person while in custody)especially if you meet the profile<br>as a non-citizen, especially of Middle Eastern Decent. I refer you again to<br>the LAW ITSELF<br><br>Don't be surprised when more & more people resort to the Rules of Engagement<br>in these situations: DRAW AS MUCH ATTENTION TO BEING TAKEN INTO CUSTODY AS<br>POSSIBLE (so people can bare witness to you being....um.... 'taken away'... and to also<br>bare witness that you didn't fight back ("GO LIMP and Drop to the Ground"). "Going Limp" is <br>a non-violent technique that while construed as "NON-COOPERATION" is NOT "Resisting Arrest"<br><br>As our "Fearless Leader" is so fond of reminding us: Things Have INDEED Changed since "9/11". <br><br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: padmavyuha

Re: Something horrifying - 11/18/06 06:33 AM

It's enough to make you go limp...<br><br>[color:purple]A lopsided man runs best along the little side-hills of success<br>- Frank Moore Colby</font color=purple>
Posted by: Mississauga

Re: Something horrifying - 11/18/06 07:48 AM

"It's enough to make you go limp..."<br><br>... or at least, lose grip.<br><br>- alec -
Posted by: Celandine

Re: Something horrifying - 11/18/06 08:43 AM

"LIMP" INDEED!<br><br>Being Emasculated "By the Man" will do that to you.<br>(But isn't that the whole idea?)<br>Brutality is just that: BRUTAL: the act of a BRUTE. <br><br><br>Before you turn away, thinking it could NEVER apply to you;<br>let me remind you of the very famous (if worn out) statement<br>given a new meaning, ...Since NOW it CAN very well apply to YOU:<br><br><br>Then They Came for Me*<br>* By Stephen F. Rohde, Esq.**<br><br>First they came for the Muslims, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Muslim.<br><br>Then they came to detain immigrants indefinitely solely upon the certification of the Attorney General, <br>and I didn't speak up because I wasn't an immigrant. <br><br>Then they came to eavesdrop on suspects consulting with their attorneys, <br>and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a suspect.<br><br>Then they came to prosecute non-citizens before secret military commissions, <br>and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a non-citizen.<br><br>Then they came to enter homes and offices for unannounced "sneak and peek" searches, <br>and I didn't speak up because I had nothing to hide.<br><br>Then they came to reinstate Cointelpro and resume the infiltration and surveillance of domestic religious and political groups, <br>and I didn't speak up because I had stopped participating in any groups.<br><br>Then they came for anyone who objected to government policy <br>and I didn't speak up because I didn't pay much attention to government policy.<br><br>Then they came for me. <br>By that time no one was left to speak up.<br><br><br>*Minor revisions by C.Li **Stephen Rohde, a Constitutional Lawyer & President of the ACLU of Southern California, <br>is indebted to the inspiration of Rev. Martin Niemoller (1937). <br><br><br><br>
Posted by: skim1420

Re: Something horrifying - 11/18/06 04:42 PM

I went to UCLA. I guess that's not really important but we should be careful not to weave our own stories and overreact. From my readings across the internet a few thoughts arise which should be considered -<br><br>1. I don't feel it's unreasonable for a CSO to request ID on a campus library, considering the time of night it was and potential threats they were trying to address with this policy. If he refuses to leave without providing ID, what else can law enforcement do beside force the guy out?<br><br>2. the taser was set on a low mode ("drive stun") which administers the shock locally. I don't know exactly what that means, but I think the important thing (along John's insight) is it was the least-aggressive option they had.<br><br>3. the guy who got tasered seemed to be picking a fight. i don't believe he was incapacitated and he actually did refuse to get up and leave. what else were the cops supposed to do?<br><br>I'm not saying all the other brutality incidents are overplayed. I'm only talking about this one.<br><br>--<br>http://www.jackthevain.com/
Posted by: carp

Re: Something horrifying - 11/18/06 06:05 PM

Humm<br>This article does not seem to allow a copy and paste ?<br><br>Anyway read the section on "unlawful combatants" which the terrorist and insurgents fit in this category . There seems to be no mention on how to deal with this legally so therefore they were treated as "POWs" which in this case there is no trial for POWs , simply if you have a gun in your hand and are shooting back , you are a combatant .<br><br>The complexity that they "terrorist / insurgent" are NOT a lawful entity adds to their delay for a fair trail by military court .<br><br>IMO<br><br>
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Something horrifying - 11/18/06 06:34 PM

You missed the point: They can declare anyone they choose to be an "unlawful combatant." If "they" don't like your religion, politics, or looks, they could, under this "law," declare you an unlawful combatant.<br><br>
Posted by: Celandine

Re: Something horrifying - 11/18/06 08:44 PM

<br>BINGO!<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: Terry11

Re: Something horrifying - 11/18/06 08:58 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>If he refuses to leave without providing ID, what else can law enforcement do beside force the guy out?<p><hr></blockquote><p>Where did you hear he was refusing to leave? He was, in fact, walking out when they grabbed him by the arm. There was no need to grab him by the arm and when he let them know that... they tased him.<br><br>Once you've been tased, you can't stand up under your own power... which is exactly what they kept demanding he do. Tasing him repeatedly making it even more impossible for him to comply with their "stand up" order.<br><br>At one point in the clip I saw, they said "stand up... that's all you have to do" which was asking him to do the impossible!<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Seemed to be picking a fight<p><hr></blockquote><p>I heard him begging them to stop and screaming from the pain. <br><br>
Posted by: Celandine

Re: Something horrifying - 11/18/06 08:58 PM

<br>Why give you one sentence<br>when I can give you 4 full page articles<br>with four different perspectives, ranging from <br>Harvard Law School, ACLU to the WH Release & PDF itself? <br><br>
Posted by: skim1420

Re: Something horrifying - 11/19/06 01:29 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> Once you've been tased, you can't stand up under your own power<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>Yeah.. this is one of the points that many people seem to point out. I did read explanations where they say a taser shot will make you lose entire muscle controle for up to 15 minutes.<br><br>But that's why I point out that the taser was set to stun. I read an explanation that says in that setting the shock is "local" (which I assume means it doesn't take your body control out). I have also read several accounts from people who say that they've been tasered and though it's painful, the effects recede immediately.<br><br>As for the picking a fight thing, that's just a guess I'm reading into (without any real basis) based on discussion threads that say this guy was always picking fights with any "institution" - the real jerk type of liberal. But that's second hand reading.<br><br>I guess the things I point out aren't really important, though. There's no doubt the guy gave trouble. Not to do the childish "he started it" thing, but I just want to not downplay the fact that he had faults in the matter too. It's not like the campus police came and tasered a random guy just to be jerks.<br><br>--<br>http://www.jackthevain.com/
Posted by: Celandine

Re: Something horrifying - 11/19/06 03:06 AM

Not everyone is programmed to behave like good little sheeple.<br><br>"Random" seems to be the root of the problem. I read some of the <br>background from the link, and the "jerk" was actually objecting to <br>being "randomly" selected to be "carded" out of an entire room of <br>"white students" to which he vociferously objected.<br><br>"Minorities" get touchy about being racially profiled. Go figure. <br><br>
Posted by: sean

Re: Something horrifying - 11/19/06 07:24 AM

i think his point is that perhaps there were many people around him in the library and they appeared to target him and only ask him for his I.D. so, in that sense, he was targeted. but the student was a jerk during the ordea, no doubt.<br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05
Posted by: Celandine

Re: Something horrifying - 11/19/06 12:05 PM

<br>Of course... that was blatenly apparent as soon<br> as he MADE IT A POINT to Start SCREAMING; <br><h1>"HERE'S YOUR HOMELAND SECURITY!!!!!!"</h1><br>He wanted to escalate the confrontation to create<br>a very public spectacle to suit whatever purpose<br>he had in mind, and he succeeded.<br><br>