finding a new old car

Posted by: sean

finding a new old car - 07/14/05 11:56 AM

i am currently trying sell my car. leather seats just aren't very good to have with a large dog. plus, i am tired of having a trunk that's not even large enough to hold my golf clubs. <br><br>i was going to get a decent used car, but then i decided i'd get two neato old cars so i'd have a backup in case one went down. i went and looked at a VW van (1977) a few weeks ago, but it didn't pan out. dang.<br><br>well, today i met with a guy today who is selling a 1967 volvo 220 (wagon) for $2,000 that looks similar to this:<br><br><br><br><br><br>the one i saw was navy blue and was in terrific shape -- i mean, it was incredibly nice for a nearly 40 year old vehicle. no noticeable rust or body damage. the engine looked quite clean. the interior was original and clean with no tears in the leather (or leather-like material) and the seats and interior didn't seem to have a worn look. it has a manual choke, which was new to me (though, my snow blower has one, so i understand the concept). ;)<br><br>i have to call a car shop before i move forward because the guy said it needed valve work on the engine (something about grinding, etc.). the car runs, but without the valve work, it's gas mileage isn't so great. the fuel gauge is broken, but the car goes for over 200 miles with fixed valves and about 150 without.<br><br>i almost want to buy it just to sell it on ebay. <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4561408598&category=6458&rd=1">this one</a> has a 'buy it now' price of $2,200 and this one makes the one i just viewed look like a new car. <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4561408598&category=6458&rd=1">link to 220 on ebay</a><br><br>--<br>Straw-man rhetorical techniques are the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents offer. 2 "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is 2 create a position easily refuted, then attribute that position to your opponent.
Posted by: Mississauga

Re: finding a new old car - 07/14/05 01:16 PM

Although I'm sure you will, be VERY cautious buying a 40 year old "shiny coin". All that "pretty" can hide a lot of damage. Also consider servicing options for that vehicle may be scarce.<br><br>- alec
Posted by: Bryan

Re: finding a new old car - 07/14/05 01:24 PM

Good advice to check your servicing options and have it checked inside and out first, but I love the "dual beater" theory. <br><br>Rather than pay out craploads of money for two car payments, just pay cash for two older cars. One dies, you have a backup. <br><br>
Posted by: sean

Re: finding a new old car - 07/14/05 01:31 PM

oh yeah, i am calling around to garages tomorrow and checking with the place where this guy goes. i want to ask about the valves, but i also want to see about how future issues might be handled (e.g., getting parts for something like this, etc.). now that i've been home for a few hours, i am leaning towards not going with this vehicle. 40 years is very, very old for a car. i could get a toyota or honda that is 10 - 12 years old for a similar price that will probably be much more reliable. i'll just lose the neatness factor. <br><br>in any regard, i have to sell my car before i get really serious. i am throwing an unopened iPod mini in with my car if it sells for the asking price (the mini was free with my new G5). heh heh.<br><br>--<br>Straw-man rhetorical techniques are the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents offer. 2 "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is 2 create a position easily refuted, then attribute that position to your opponent.
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: finding a new old car - 07/14/05 02:36 PM

Did you say it has leather seats? Aren't you getting rid of the car you have in part because of that?<br><br>But that old volvo should run like a tank.<br><br>I'm about to sell my car, and probably go back to a Miata. My daughter is old enough not to worry about her riding in it, plus the things usually last for 300000 miles before needing work. The fact that I can switch to regular gas from premium is a plus too. :)<br><br>I saw a 10th anniversary model someone wanted $9K for that was gorgeous. I could sell my current car and cover what I owe on the loan plus most of that cost.<br><br>
Posted by: sean

Re: finding a new old car - 07/14/05 03:06 PM

yeah, but you fold the back seats down on the volvo and it's all carpet. <br><br>--<br>Straw-man rhetorical techniques are the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents offer. 2 "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is 2 create a position easily refuted, then attribute that position to your opponent.
Posted by: OSXaddict

Re: finding a new old car - 07/14/05 03:09 PM

are you selling off your VW beetle convertible??<br><br>I was thinking of getting a new F150 XLT now that Ford has matched GM's pricing scheme but the gas mileage and payments are something I don't want to do. My car is paid off and it gets a LOT better gas mileage than that pickup.<br><br>But then again...$23,800 out the door for a brand new truck is tempting! <br><br>
Posted by: Morom

Re: finding a new old car - 07/14/05 03:28 PM

My first car that I had when I got my drivers lisense was a 1969 Volvo station wagon. Granted it wasn't anything to brag about, but it got me where I need to go, and surprisely had very few problems considering I bought it used with over 100k miles on it. There was no power steering on it, just a bigger size steering wheel to make up the differance, plus no fuel-injection either (had a choke you pulled out to start it in the morning), but the thing would never die as much as I abused it.<br><br>----<br>Stupidity is like nuclear power. It can be used for good or evil.... and you don't want to get any on you.
Posted by: sean

Re: finding a new old car - 07/14/05 06:47 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> But then again...$23,800 out the door for a brand new truck is tempting!<p><hr></blockquote><p>you don't need to tell me. that's exactly why my wife just traded in her minivan to get this (and to get a much better handling vehicle for the michigan snow -- the minivan was horrible):<br><br><img src="http://homepage.mac.com/jayhawk/.Pictures/jeep.jpg" width="320" height="212"/><br><br>--<br>Straw-man rhetorical techniques are the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents offer. 2 "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is 2 create a position easily refuted, then attribute that position to your opponent.
Posted by: carp

Re: finding a new old car - 07/14/05 07:35 PM

While your checking on future issues - check on the real simple ones to like how much is an oil change - some of them foreign car models you have to pull the engine out to get to the oil filter<br><br>What happen to the VW convertible you had ?<br><br>
Posted by: sean

Re: finding a new old car - 07/14/05 08:10 PM

i still have the convertible, but i've slowly learned that i need function over form. the vw has no space. i like to play golf and my clubs won't fit in the trunk and they don't fit in the backseat either (unless i take my driver and woods out). my dog is not allowed in the vw because of the leather seats. it's just too small and it's just too nice for my tastes -- i am scared to get it dirty. i am going to be selling it unless i can get a reasonable trade-in. <br><br>i have cooled on the old volvo because i've slowly remembered some of the pains i had with an old jaguar while i was in college. old parts are expensive and take time to locate and there's just always something. i ended up having it in the shop about 1/4 of the time i owned it. nightmare that i don't want to revisit. now, i am warming up to the idea of a new car, but on the real cheap. for example, this vehicle can be had for under $15,000 and it gets over 30 miles per gallon even in the city:<br><br><img src="http://homepage.mac.com/jayhawk/.Pictures/scion_xb.jpg" width="425" height="319"/><br><br>anyone have any thoughts on the scion xB? it's made by toyota, so that's a plus. i think it's pretty ugly myself, but it's function over form. actually, i think it's quite ugly to the point that i almost like it. <br><br>--<br>Straw-man rhetorical techniques are the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents offer. 2 "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is 2 create a position easily refuted, then attribute that position to your opponent.
Posted by: carp

Re: finding a new old car - 07/14/05 08:32 PM

Ohh okay<br><br>Yeah the Scion is frigging buttt ugly, Butt buckets are here driving around. I don't know anyone that owns one so I cannot give a review - I guess that being seen driving one would not ruin your PHd image that the public has - I say go for it. LOL<br><br>Why not old domestic cars - like you could get 2 Geos for under 1,000<br><br>
Posted by: rman

Re: finding a new old car - 07/14/05 10:44 PM

Just paint it a bright color and get 19in wheels. <br><br>
Posted by: iRock

Re: finding a new old car - 07/14/05 10:48 PM

rman's right. Start modding. Foose wheels.<br><br>
Posted by: rman

Re: finding a new old car - 07/14/05 11:02 PM

Looks like 18s is as big as you are going to get. So try some of these:<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: rman

Re: finding a new old car - 07/14/05 11:07 PM

Maybe a set of these:<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: rman

Re: finding a new old car - 07/14/05 11:12 PM

Now for color:<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: iRock

Re: finding a new old car - 07/14/05 11:50 PM

How about a widebody?<br>Click the pic...<br><br><br>
Posted by: OSXaddict

Re: finding a new old car - 07/15/05 02:23 AM

I wonder how the space is in those...talk about tiny! <br><br>You should take one for a test drive. Load up the whole family and see how it feels.<br><br>
Posted by: Biggerfoot

Re: finding a new old car - 07/15/05 04:40 AM

After having a 40 year old motorcycle and a 20 plus year old truck, I am very thankful I can do all of the repairs, minus machine shop items. I would plan on doing most of the work, at least all of the small items, or you will probably be unhappy due to the repair costs.<br><br>This weekend, I am having to pull the cam cover off my motorcycle to replace a seal and am sand blasting the truck's bed to fix some rust.<br><br>
Posted by: sean

Re: finding a new old car - 07/15/05 06:22 AM

i am going to go and take a test drive here in a the next hour or so. <br><br>are there any other vehicles in the $15,000 range that get over 30 mpg and have decent enough space that i should consider?<br><br>--<br>Straw-man rhetorical techniques are the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents offer. 2 "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is 2 create a position easily refuted, then attribute that position to your opponent.
Posted by: skuldugary

Re: finding a new old car - 07/15/05 06:52 AM

You know Sean, something close to what you're looking at but made for more 'out and about' use could be the Honda Element. I never thought much of them until a guy I know bought one. They're actually very nice inside.<br><br>He does a lot of diving and can load his gear in the back, clean it out with a damp cloth. The seats are comfortable for long road trips (he drives a lot, I guess) and it handles well. <br><br><br><br><br><br>room for the puppy<br><IMG SRC="http://photos4.flickr.com/7862937_6a15fba889.jpg?v=0[/image]<br><br>[img]http://hondaofcasper.com/New_Hondas/Element bike.jpg"><br><br>Good luck with what ever you pick.<br><br>[image]http://photos6.flickr.com/10004757_551147b7ea.jpg[/img]
Posted by: sean

Re: finding a new old car - 07/15/05 07:09 AM

i thought about it, but most of my driving is city driving and the element comes in at a dismal 21 mpg. i'll probably only consider cars on this list, but i'd really like to stick to the upper part of the list.<br><br><img src="http://homepage.mac.com/jayhawk/.Pictures/mpg_cars.jpg" width="332" height="567"/><br><br>the top two get tremendous gas mileage, but they are hard to obtain and cost a bit more -- the honda is just too small, fwiw. i am surprised to see my VW is not on the list . . . it's only 24 mpg in the city. hmmm.<br><br>--<br>Straw-man rhetorical techniques are the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents offer. 2 "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is 2 create a position easily refuted, then attribute that position to your opponent.
Posted by: skuldugary

Re: finding a new old car - 07/15/05 07:24 AM

Yes, those top two are pretty incredible. <br>I'm looking at getting a new SUV and on a lark I looked at the new H3. Yuk! Aside from having no guts, it gets an average of 16mpg. Can you imagine people still buy them?<br><br><br>
Posted by: Mississauga

Re: finding a new old car - 07/15/05 09:45 AM

Sean,<br><br>... just caught the tail end of a consumer report on the Honda Pilot; seats up to 8 and gets great mileage at a reasonably cheap price. The report gave it very high praises.<br><br>- alec
Posted by: sean

Re: finding a new old car - 07/15/05 10:02 AM

the pilot gets okay mileage for an SUV, but it's really pretty pathetic at 17 mpg in the city and 22 on the highway. that's similar to my wife's new jeep. i'd be embarrassed to have that as my car given my beliefs. <br><br><br><br>--<br>Straw-man rhetorical techniques are the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents offer. 2 "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is 2 create a position easily refuted, then attribute that position to your opponent.
Posted by: Bryan

Re: finding a new old car - 07/15/05 10:48 AM

Considered any of the VW vehicles with TDI engines? The New Beetle gets 38 city/46 highway and it's roomy as hell inside. <br><br>
Posted by: Bryan

Re: finding a new old car - 07/15/05 10:51 AM

The Ford Escape hybrid is rated at 36 in the city. I drove one of those to the Grand Canyon and back. Nice little SUV. <br><br>Link<br><br>
Posted by: sean

Re: finding a new old car - 07/15/05 11:03 AM

i wouldn't mind the escape hybrid, but it would put me back $27,445 and i am looking in the $15,000 range. the vw bug may be roomy, but the trunk space was abysmal. back when i bought the beetle, i actually went to the dealership to buy the golf that was diesel, but they were out. i was surprised to see the convertible bug sitting there since they were new and usually sold before they arrived. i am trying to avoid the impulse buy that i did back then without thinking through my many uses.<br><br>wow, thanks for the tip on the VWs. i hadn't even considered them, but i just checked them out. i didn't know the TDI engine thing. i am going to go test drive a <a href="http://www.carsdirect.com/research/volkswagen/golf/2005/gl_tdi">golf with the TDI engine</a>. 38 mpg in the city and 48 on the highway -- cool! and priced reasonably well at $17, 450. i love VW and they might actually give me a worthwhile trade on my VW bug. then again, i just placed an ad in the newspaper for this sunday so i might as well let that play out first.<br><br>--<br>Straw-man rhetorical techniques are the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents offer. 2 "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is 2 create a position easily refuted, then attribute that position to your opponent.
Posted by: sean

Re: finding a new old car - 07/15/05 11:10 AM

man, the TDI golf must be hard to acquire. i just checked pricing on carsdirect.com (which is how i typically figure out what i'd offer on a new car) and the are quoting a price higher than the manufacturer's suggest retail price. that probably means that they're hard to get ahold of. still, it's worth a visit to check it out.<br><br>--<br>Straw-man rhetorical techniques are the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents offer. 2 "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is 2 create a position easily refuted, then attribute that position to your opponent.