Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of)

Posted by: Bryan

Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/29/05 06:52 PM

So far, so good. <br><br>Feels much snappier to me. That may just be the fresh install, but it seems zippier. <br><br>Default screenshot format is now png. Cool. <br><br>Mail is not as bad as the apple website made it look. The buttons are still hideous, but I can cope. <br><br>Dashboard.....it's OK. It ain't the "wet your panties" feature that the marketing hype led me to believe it would be. (Not that I ever wet my panties, or even wear panties, but you ladies get the idea.) <br><br>Safari seems zippier. <br><br>Lots more to discover!<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: carp

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/29/05 07:14 PM

Great double check on the stuff that Sam pointed out - just wondering if it might be machine specific<br><br>
Posted by: Pete

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/29/05 08:00 PM

.png? Ugh - I hope you're able to change that in the prefs or something...<br><br>[color:red]5.19.05 - The 'Jedi Slaughter' tour begins!</font color=red>
Posted by: Trog

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/29/05 08:22 PM

Why?<br><br>
Posted by: Bryan

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/29/05 10:12 PM

Nope...<br><br>What's more, there looks to be no way to export different file formats out of preview. They've crippled that app a bit.<br><br>
Posted by: alAnonymous

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/29/05 11:27 PM

.png = transparency w/bit depth (vs. GIF w/1 bit transparency). no contest.<br><br>-------<br>Aren't you a little old for post-modern nostalgic irony?
Posted by: Trog

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 12:14 AM

huh? I just hit save as and you can choose all the usual file formats? Am I missing something here?<br><br>
Posted by: OSXaddict

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 04:02 AM

The default is .png, but if you wanted, all you have to do is open it up and do a save as and you get these options:<br><br><br><br><br><br>Another thing new is this:<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: Bryan

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 04:42 AM

Ah ha..they've moved it. There used to be an "export" option in Preview in Panther, where you could export to the various file formats. Now it's in the Save dialog box....excellent!<br><br>
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Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 05:34 AM

Tiger added annotations to Preview as well....<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: Pete

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 07:55 AM

Because ultimately I'd have no problem when I needed to take a screenshot and send it to someone in PDF format- I could simply drag it into an email, and not have to think twice because everyone could open that file format...<br><br>Now I have an extra step. Bleah.<br><br><br>[color:red]5.19.05 - The 'Jedi Slaughter' tour begins!</font color=red>
Posted by: Bryan

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 08:09 AM

I think everybody can open png, can't they?<br><br>
Posted by: Pete

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 08:13 AM

Eh, you just never know... someone somewhere is using some ancient browser that can't handle it. Don't even the earlier versions of Safari have trouble displaying .pngs?<br><br><br>[color:red]5.19.05 - The 'Jedi Slaughter' tour begins!</font color=red>
Posted by: Bryan

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 08:19 AM

I wonder if there is a terminal command or a Tinkertool thing that could put it back. <br><br>Ideally, I think it should be jpg. <br><br>
Posted by: Pete

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 08:20 AM

There really should just be a quality adjustment setting, period. If you want to take hi-res screenshots, that option should be available to you...<br><br><br>[color:red]5.19.05 - The 'Jedi Slaughter' tour begins!</font color=red>
Posted by: Bryan

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 08:25 AM

Exactly...then again, Apple is now known for giving people choices. <br><br>Just submit yourself...Cupertino knows best!!<br><br>
Posted by: SparkCollector

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 09:30 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>"...If you want to take hi-res screenshots, that option should be available to you..."<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>No such animal. Screen shots—no matter what file format— only pay attention to pixel count. Resolution doesn't enter into the equation until you want to go to print.<br><br>
Posted by: trey

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 09:32 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Resolution doesn't enter into the equation until you want to go to print.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Ah, thank you. I'm glad to see someone else in the world understands that.<br><br>
Posted by: Bryan

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 09:53 AM

I'm no graphic designer, but messing with the quality slider when saving as a jpeg will make the resulting image look better or worse on the computer screen, depending. <br><br>
Posted by: MacGizmo

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 09:57 AM

That's true Bryan, but it will not alter the resolution at all. All that quality slider does is adjust how many pixels are thrown away for the compression of the jpg.<br><br><br><br>CreativeGuy: For your "fix" of design software tips, tricks & commentary.
Posted by: Bryan

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 10:01 AM

Gotcha. <br><br><br><br>
Posted by: Pete

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 10:06 AM

Ummmm yeah, I'm like, a graphic designer and stuff, so I kinda understood that- just sayin' is all.. <br><br>[color:red]5.19.05 - The 'Jedi Slaughter' tour begins!</font color=red>
Posted by: carp

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 10:06 AM

I don't think you can post a .png photo here right ?<br><br>
Posted by: Bryan

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 10:13 AM

Sure...Safari, FF and IE can all read .png. <br><br>It's my understanding png is a free and open format created so companies wouldn't have to pay the gif dude any cash.<br><br>
Posted by: SparkCollector

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 10:15 AM

Well, a link to a *png file cann be posted...it's up to the browser whether it displays.<br><br>If you see an image below, your browser supports displaying Portable Network Graphics file format.<br><br><img src="http://home.comcast.net/~phoz/bbs/portablenetworkgraphic.jpg" width="399" height="192"/><br><br>
Posted by: Bryan

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 10:19 AM

all good on Safari and Firefox<br><br>
Posted by: carp

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 10:19 AM

Thanks yes it shows<br><br>I thought I read somewhere that the forum software only displayed certain file types - guess not<br><br>
Posted by:

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 10:22 AM

Another image test for you:<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: SparkCollector

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 10:24 AM

I think the only mainstream browser that had a problem with .png files over the past few years was I.E.?<br><br>
Posted by: carp

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 10:31 AM

Thanks for confirming the notion that I do need glasses <br><br>
Posted by: zwei

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 10:44 AM

.png screenshots = good in my opinion!<br><br>
Posted by: trey

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 10:49 AM

Does it count if I can only read it with my glasses on?<br><br>
Posted by: margadagio

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 10:53 AM

I guess I don't need glasses. Thanks for the test! <br><br>
Posted by: SparkCollector

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 10:56 AM

Fuzzymutt.com seems damned slow serving up images today.<br><br>
Posted by: zwei

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 11:14 AM

Haven't got my webserver up and running yet <br><br>
Posted by: hayesk

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 02:18 PM

jpg is terrible for screenshots, even with quality adjustments. JPG always wants to blend hard edges, which screenshots are full of. PNG is smart enough to preserve them. JPG is better for photos that don't have hard edges, but for screenshots, PNG wins hands down.<br><br><br>
Posted by: zwei

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 02:56 PM

there ..webserver up ..mostly! <br><br>should help with the page loading<br><br>
Posted by: Trog

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 03:36 PM

Why not good 'ol TIFF? Then you can choose the compression you want. I never understood why they chose pdf before, and I still don't see why they would choose .png now.<br><br>
Posted by: hayesk

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 04:18 PM

Because TIFF is huge, even with compression. And you can't plug any compression into it and expect apps to support it.<br><br>PNG is a great format. It's a standard so anyone can use it. It can adapt to photo realistic images as well as sharp, flat colour images and everything in between, and it has a very good compression scheme.<br><br>The real question is, why wouldn't you want PNG? It's a great format.<br><br><br>
Posted by: Trog

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 04:22 PM

png is fine, better than pdf, and this is just being picky for the sake of it.<br><br>I know TIFF is big, but "huge" is relative word, and with today's hard drives, I doubt TIFF screenshots are going to cramp anyone's disk space. The advantage would be that you could use your own compression scheme without losing quality.<br><br>
Posted by: zwei

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 11:50 PM

PNG also allows transparency ...tiff doesn't<br><br>
Posted by: Trog

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 04/30/05 11:56 PM

Tiff definitely does allow transparency, and layers too.<br><br>
Posted by: zwei

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 05/01/05 12:00 AM

lol ...we're not talking photoshop here ...that's all data stored inside the TIFF from photoshop ...the actual TIFF doesn't contain transparency. If you took a layered TIFF and opened it in preview you would get a white background<br><br>
Posted by: Trog

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 05/01/05 12:07 AM

All I know is that if I import a stock TIFF into Keynote or Pages or whatever, its transparent. That sounds like it supports transparency to me. If you open a .png in Preview what color is its background?<br><br>
Posted by: zwei

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 05/01/05 08:41 AM

Either it has a clipping path, or the white/background pixels are just being masked<br><br>
Posted by: MacGizmo

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 05/01/05 09:35 AM

[censored] never put support for it in IE. Even now the support is limited.<br><br><br><br>CreativeGuy: For your "fix" of design software tips, tricks & commentary.
Posted by: Trog

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 05/01/05 10:09 AM

I'm sure you both would know the details more than I, but I only know what I see. <br><br>Here's an example file. (2.5 MB)<br><br>It comes from this program that lets you export as various file types:<br><br><br><br><br><br>Then if I import it directly, or paste it from Preview, on top and between objects in Keynote it looks like this. Notice that transparency is preserved and I can even have dropshadows fall on the objects underneath it.<br><br><br><br>Also, try this. If you have a file open in Photoshop with a transparent background, just copy it to the clipboard and open it with Command-N in Preview. Yep, sure enough, white background. Now copy that to the clipboard and paste into Keynote or Pages. The transparency is preserved. So Zwei, I don't see what that comment about having a white background when opening in Preview has to do with anything?<br><br>I don't know enough to argue with you about what the technical definition of "supporting transparency" is, but these TIFFs have transparent backgrounds whether they are in Preview, Photoshop, Keynote, Pages.... etc.<br><br>
Posted by: Trog

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 05/01/05 10:26 AM

Actually I exported it wrong at first, but here it is in Word (the biggest Turdmeister of all for graphics) imported and moved around on top of other objects or text.... transparent.<br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by: hayesk

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 05/01/05 12:22 PM

TIFF stores 32-bits per pixel. 24-bits for RGB, and 8 for an alpha channel. That alpha channel can be used for transparency.<br><br>
Posted by: zwei

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 05/01/05 12:28 PM

Can you find an example?<br><br>
Posted by:

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 05/01/05 12:34 PM

Look no further than apps on your system. Here are Mail's buttons:<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: zwei

Re: Tiger....it's G-r-r-r-eat! (sort of) - 05/01/05 12:45 PM

ooh, la la ...I have been corrected! <br><br>I see there is a checkbox in photoshop that allows you to save the transparency. Macs are just cool enough to be able to handle all these cool-arse features <br><br>