Posted by: LoveTheBomb

Résumé - 03/16/05 01:34 AM

I really hate doing my résumé. I don't know what it is but it takes me hours to do and I'm never happy with it. It either comes off as sounds too meek or too full of myself. Anyone got any good résumé writing advice?<br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Résumé - 03/16/05 02:08 AM

I've found it best to limit your resume to the high points of your career/background in short, bullet-point style, and include a separate one or two paragraph bio to brag on yourself a tad more poetically. You can even solicit a few snippets of praise from co-workers or collegues, and add that as an attachment.<br><br><br><br><br>Paperclipping a $20 to the stack helps, too! <br><br>
Posted by: MacGizmo

Re: Résumé - 03/16/05 02:28 AM

Whatever you do, DO NOT start your resume with the incredibly amateur "OBJECTIVE" paragraph!!! It's got to be the dumbest thing in the whole resume process, and it's the first thing I look for to weed out people I'm NOT going to talk to.<br><br>Think about it, I'm looking for someone for position X, you send me your resume for position X, I can plainly see that you have worked for other companies in position X... do I really need you to assume I'm a dumbass® and tell me that you would be a great fit with my company in position X???<br><br>Some other pointers:<br><br>Make your resume stand out. Do something different. DO NOT use Times & Helvetica on white paper with all the information going across the whole page from top to bottom. Split it up into two columns, use color, make your fonts legible, but different. You can also try writing your resume as a newspaper article, or an obituary (maybe not that one)... something that will really stand out in the mind of someone who will no doubt be receiving hundreds of resumes. I generally put something silly in it too, like telling them that my one hobby is sleeping on public transportation, or receiving needless dental work, etc...<br><br>
Posted by: bird

Re: Résumé - 03/16/05 02:33 AM

my one hobby is sleeping on public transportation...damn I can hear Trump now..Your hired......<br><br>
Posted by: Pete

Re: Résumé - 03/16/05 02:39 AM

Just be careful not to get TOO crazy- it all depends on the job you're going after- someone in mine or Giz's profession can get pretty wacky with their hot sheets, but if you're going for that accounting job, maybe the standard layout would suffice...<br><br>I actually have mine in an old typewriter font, and I use a paper that's a slight shade of grey- nothing crazy, but it stands out from all the white in the pile...;)<br><br>OF course, none of this matters if you're using a job search web site...plain text, all the way- <br><br>[color:red]5.19.05 - The 'Jedi Slaughter' tour begins!</font color=red>
Posted by: LoveTheBomb

Re: Résumé - 03/16/05 03:13 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Whatever you do, DO NOT start your resume with the incredibly amateur "OBJECTIVE" paragraph!!!<p><hr></blockquote><p>I had a fight with a friend about this. I agree with you. I have never heard an OBJECTIVE line that didn't sound corny. She actually told me to put this: Objective: To find a job in software development.. I laughed at her.<br><br>
Posted by: iRock

Re: Résumé - 03/16/05 03:34 AM

I used the phrase automobile refueling specialist instead of worked at a gas station/grocery store.<br><br>
Posted by: snag

Re: Résumé - 03/16/05 07:28 PM

He'd probably say "you're tired" =D<br><br>
Posted by: djstefan

Re: Résumé - 03/16/05 07:33 PM

Make it 2 color, and like Steve said, with bullets and main points. Also, adding your picture on there will make it stand out between the other 300 a day they will be receiving.<br><br>I made mine red and black. Red is flasy but has a nice contrast with black and combined they add a certain style. You can also do it with blue if you want a cold feel to it, or green if you want a relaxed feel. I work for the devil, so red is my choice. <br><br>Make it as easy as possible to read while leaving things out for the employer to call you and ask you about them.<br><br>Create an interest and don't say too much is the main idea.<br><br>_________________________________________<br>Just a different kinda geek...
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: Résumé - 03/16/05 08:21 PM

Print it with dashed lines and folding instructions to make a paper airplane. <br><br>They'll appreciate the extra fun when they toss it in the trash.<br><br>
Posted by: MacGizmo

Re: Résumé - 03/16/05 08:37 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>adding your picture on there will make it stand out between the other 300 a day they will be receiving.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Oh it'll stand out alright... just enough for me to throw it in the trash. Photos are a bad idea. <br><br>By law a company cannot ask your age in an interview, so why SHOW THEM your age in a photo before they even get a chance to read your resume and look at your qualifications and experience??? Showing them a photo shows them that you're too old, too young, too ugly or whatever notions they will form the instant that they see your picture.<br><br>The goal is to get in the door... putting a photo on the resume gives *some* people a reason to not answer the door when you come knocking - no matter how amateur and stupid it may be. Why limit your chances even the slightest bit?<br><br>
Posted by: hayesk

Re: Résumé - 03/16/05 09:15 PM

OK, I'll chime in. As someone who has hired people in the past, I'll say this:<br><br>Make the relevant info easy to see and read. If the job is very specific, put the work experience outlining that you did that in the past first. If you don't have experience, put your education showing that you learned to do it first. Make it easy for the employer to see that you have the qualifications so they toss your resume in the "interview pile"<br><br>Sounding "full of yourself" isn't bad as long as you can back it up. Be prepared to do that. Have examples of every skill you outline on your resume. Remember, your goal is to get the job, not an interview. If you can't justify it in an interview, you won't get hired.<br><br>If you can, avoid those monster.com and other online resumes. I can't stand them. They want to you "build" your resume from a form. It's too restrictive. I had an interview based on that once. The resume lets you put your skills and how long you've had them. But it doesn't let you specify if it was part of a full time job, part time, hobby, etc. I went to an interview and the interviewer assumed I had a full time job doing every single skill on the resume. Yeah, he was stupid to assume that, but it didn't get me the job either.<br><br>So, I guess, put the stuff they need to see first, and any other "pluses" second. <br><br>
Posted by: Pete

Re: Résumé - 03/16/05 10:10 PM

Actually, monster lets you paste in a lot of stuff right from the text resume- Yahoo Hotjobs and CareerBuilder too...<br><br>(can you tell I'm on the hunt right now? )<br><br>[color:red]5.19.05 - The 'Jedi Slaughter' tour begins!</font color=red>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Résumé - 03/16/05 10:11 PM

The most effective self-promo I ever did included a plain vanilla resume. Black and white and as unadorned as it gets. But the packaging was a lot of fun. A simple 9 x 12 folder with a big serif headline on the cover: "By now, you've probably seen enough resumes to wallpaper your office." Glued to the left inside panel was an empty, crumpled up package of wallpaper paste and another headline: "I hope this one sticks in your mind." The resume was glued to the right-hand page. Got me the best job I've ever had. <br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Résumé - 03/16/05 10:13 PM

What I hate are the career sites that allow you to upload a PDF. You think, great, I can use my lovingly designed graphic resume. The you discover that all that's happened is that the text has been captured — minus any formatting! <br><br>
Posted by: Pete

Re: Résumé - 03/16/05 10:17 PM

I actually haven't come across any that let you do that...maybe I missed it?<br><br>Anyhoo, I've been reading up on portfolios & such, and I read a couple of good articles that laud the benefits of having a complete portfolio in PDF format- I was stuck for so long with a blank screen for my web site (always easier to just whip up something for someone *else*, though, ain't it?), so one weekend I said 'F it', and threw together about 12 pages of various projects I've done over the years...<br><br>(fingers crossed this idea actually helps...)<br><br><br>[color:red]5.19.05 - The 'Jedi Slaughter' tour begins!</font color=red>
Posted by: MacGizmo

Re: Résumé - 03/16/05 11:13 PM

Steve,<br><br>Regarding your wallpaper resume... that's exactly the sort of thing I look for – something that makes it stand out. I guess what I was referring to was the endless stack of single sheet resumes that are boring Times & Helvetica type that differ from all the others in no way at all. But if you stick that same boring resume around a paint can, or something like that, you have something that an employer won't forget.<br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Résumé - 03/16/05 11:24 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>But if you stick that same boring resume around a paint can<p><hr></blockquote><p>Funny you should mention... <br><br>When I lost that best-ever job 12 years later to a bad economy, I resurrected the concept and took it to the next level: A small plastic paint can, a full packet of paste, and a wallpaper brush. Printed my resume, bio and testimonials on a roll and shrink-wrapped it like real wallpaper, and printed my book on a smaller roll (like border paper). Shrink-wrapped the whole thing and schlepped them by hand on the NYC subways to 8 or 9 ad agencies. Cost me a freakin' bundle and a ton of time to produce and deliver. And guess what. Ffffffffffffft. Overkill in a slow economy when agencies were cutting staff like hair in a boot camp. I guess simpler is still better. But I know of 2 CD's that still have the dang things in their offices! <br><br>
Posted by: djstefan

Re: Résumé - 03/16/05 11:26 PM

You are right, if the person is too old, too young, ugly... it limits the chances, so putting a picture in there is not for everyone. <br><br>I'm not too young, not too old, perfect age group really, and definitely not "too ugly" so it has worked well for me. Adding a picture on a resume gives the interviewer an idea of what you look like, and after the interview, he/she will remember and be able to associate the face to the resume.<br><br>_________________________________________<br>Just a different kinda geek...
Posted by: LoveTheBomb

Opinion - 03/20/05 08:44 PM

Here's what I have thus far. <br>Résumé<br>Right now I want an opinion on the content. I'll work on the look of it once I'm sure I have the content down.<br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Opinion - 03/20/05 08:50 PM

I think you've got just enough information, and it's all easily scannable. My one suggestion would be to reverse the order of categories: Lead with work experience, then skills, honors/awards, and end with education.<br><br>And now that we all know where you live, you may as well post your SS# so we don't have to work too hard to steal your ID! <br><br>
Posted by: LoveTheBomb

Re: Opinion - 03/20/05 09:21 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>My one suggestion would be to reverse the order of categories<p><hr></blockquote><p>I did that. It feels a little weird to me, but that's probably because I've been looking at it the other way too long.<br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Opinion - 03/20/05 09:47 PM

While your education is important, what matters more is how you've applied it. What you know is only as good as what you do with it. And awards and honors are nice little ways to cap off your work experience.<br><br>'Course when you get to my age, you'll wanna hide that graduation date altogether! <br><br>
Posted by: sean

Re: Opinion - 03/20/05 11:28 PM

i'd try and get consistent with how you describe the details and i'd make them all action-oriented.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>In charge of developing new media management system<p><hr></blockquote><p>i'd change that to, "Coordinated development of new media management system<br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> Enjoyed applying software design practices to a real product<p><hr></blockquote><p>hmmm. i am not sure if this is good or bad, but you're saying, 1. you enjoy the work, and 2. that you applied your knowledge to the real world. someone else can help you more, but am i to interpret that you enjoyed this task, but not the other tasks you listed? i'd probably go with something like, "Applied practice to real world products" or i'd try and explain what real world product i helped produce or improve or whatever you did.<br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Team Leadership<br> Project / Time management <br> Database design and integration<p><hr></blockquote><p>sometimes you capitalize the second word and sometimes you use lowercase letters. I'd stay consistent and probably only capitalize the first letter of the first word, except for proper nouns.<br><br>i also think you might look to make each section consistent in look. see:<br><img src="http://homepage.mac.com/jayhawk/.Pictures/resume.1.jpg" width="78" height="149"/> -- <img src="http://homepage.mac.com/jayhawk/.Pictures/resume.2.jpg" width="59" height="84"/> -- <img src="http://homepage.mac.com/jayhawk/.Pictures/resume.3.jpg" width="74" height="150"/><br><br>sometimes 3rd level is bulleted and sometimes it's italicized or indented or not indented, etc. i'd stay consistent across levels.<br><br>--<br>Straw-man rhetorical techniques are the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents offer. 2 "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is 2 create a position easily refuted, then attribute that position to your opponent.
Posted by: LoveTheBomb

Re: Opinion - 03/21/05 12:12 AM

Thanks Sean. This was the type of stuff I was looking for.<br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>hmmm. i am not sure if this is good or bad, but you're saying, 1. you enjoy the work, and 2. that you applied your knowledge to the real world.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Well, both. I want the person reading me résumé to know what I both enjoy my work and that I've had a chance to apply what i've learned to a real product. I went ahead and changed it. I focused more on applying what I learned. I'm sure that a cover letter or an interview will allow me to exclaim that I enjoy what I do.<br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>i also think you might look to make each section consistent in look<p><hr></blockquote><p>Good advice. I wasn't too concerned about style this pass. I wrote it in OmniOutliner then just exported it to html (sometimes it forgets the styling I selected for various groups). I just wanted to make sure I got the content down. I have no clue where to begin with styling.<br><br>
Posted by: carp

Re: Opinion - 03/21/05 01:18 AM

Steve and Sean -- gave great advice.<br><br>Keep it short and to the point, to get the 2nd interview. Resume readers only take a few minutes to read them - a long babbling resume will be discarded.<br><br>