10.3.8 - Do You Dare?

Posted by: alAnonymous

10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/09/05 04:02 PM

Anybody updated yet?<br><br>--------------------<br>
Posted by: Michael

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/09/05 04:16 PM

Yep, a while ago. No problems.<br><br>
Posted by: OSXaddict

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/09/05 04:51 PM

Updated at 514pm according to the thread<br><br>
Posted by: Optimus_George

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/09/05 07:26 PM

I updated and it reverted back to system 7.1. Color me confused. <br><br><br><br>
Posted by:

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/09/05 07:30 PM

I think you mean "monochrome me confused."<br><br>
Posted by: Optimus_George

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/09/05 07:33 PM

Grayscale me confused...<br><br>
Posted by: Michael

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/09/05 08:02 PM

So lets boogie<br><EMBED SRC="http://idisk.mac.com/mikeleboeuf/Public/napdyn.mov", WIDTH=250, HEIGHT=155 CONTROLLER=TRUE AUTOPLAY=FALSE><br><br>
Posted by: iRock

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/09/05 08:30 PM

Yessss!!!!<br><br>
Posted by: Michael

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/09/05 09:05 PM

Those are my dope moves. Gosh!<br><br>
Posted by: iRock

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/09/05 09:12 PM

Your mom dances!<br><br>
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/09/05 09:13 PM

Seems like a rather minor update.. no problems, but I always verify and repair permissions before updates now anyway. SO WHAT WOULD I KNOW.<br><br>--<br>Fight for Innovation.<br>http://cultofmac.blogspot.com
Posted by: Michael

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/09/05 09:40 PM

I on the other hand NEVER repair permissions. I find doing that causes more problems than it may fix.<br><br>
Posted by: Bryan

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/09/05 11:08 PM

I never do either. In fact, I don't do any maintenance at all on OS X. Just a fresh install a couple times a year and I never have any problems!<br><br>
Posted by: iRock

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/09/05 11:33 PM

Pardon me but wouldn't the fresh installs count as maintenance?<br><br>
Posted by: Bryan

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/09/05 11:52 PM

I imagine so. I just never repair permissions, flush the cache, delete my logs, run maintenance scripts, zap the PRAM or anything else!<br><br>
Posted by: trey

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/10/05 09:08 AM

If you did, you wouldn't have to re-install so often.<br><br>
Posted by: hayesk

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/10/05 11:59 AM

How do you know if you've never done it? <br><br>I never repair permissions, I never fresh install, even when upgrading from 10.0->.1->.2->.3.<br><br>I've never had a problem yet.<br><br>
Posted by: Michael

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/10/05 12:03 PM

I repaired permissions once. It just slowed everything down for a while. I do clear caches etc. And I'm a believer in clean installs.<br><br>
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/10/05 02:13 PM

<br><br>No problems here :)<br><br>
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/10/05 04:57 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I never repair permissions, I never fresh install, even when upgrading from 10.0->.1->.2->.3.<p><hr></blockquote><p>I never fresh install either. And the iMac I'm typing this post on started out with OS 9.1 and is now at 10.3.7 (I will be doing the update to 10.3.8 soon). I have never had any problems with it, except once when the power went out while I was using it and I had a flashing question mark for a little while. So I started up from the CD and showed it where the system folder was. <br><br>I use Disk Warrior and Norton Speed Disk once in a while, but not often by any means. Maybe 2 or 3 times a year. A cron script runs automatically on login because I shut down at night. <br><br>Reinstalling is a huge pain in the butt. <br><br>
Posted by: trey

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/10/05 06:07 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Reinstalling is a huge pain in the butt. <p><hr></blockquote><p>Agreed. I can't imagine why anyone would want to go through that with OS X. My little 400Mhz iMac is running OS X 10.3.7 and has only been shut down a few times* since first going from 9.2 to 10.2, and I've never had a problem with it.<br><br>Tha's what I like about OS X so much; it's rock solid, and as long as you take care of it, it'll take care of you.<br><br>*Of course it was suut down/restarted for os upgrades and the like. I just mean that it gets shut down sore like twice a month as opposed to twice a week.<br><br><br><br>p.s.@Donna remember that time back in the os 9.x days when I got drunk and set my computer's language to Swedish... and then went over to the iMac board looking for help... and you guys laughed at me... *sniff, sniff* memories.<br><br><br>
Posted by: SparkCollector

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/10/05 06:10 PM

Actual LOFin'L at that predicament, Trey!<br><br>Laughing with you, mate, laughing <B><I>with</B></I>  you...<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/10/05 06:19 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>p.s.@Donna remember that time back in the os 9.x days when I got drunk and set my computer's language to Swedish... and then went over to the iMac board looking for help... and you guys laughed at me... *sniff, sniff* memories.<p><hr></blockquote><p>I'm sorry for laughing at you, Trey, but it WAS funny. I have never known anyone else who got drunk and changed the language on his computer just for the hell of it. And then forgot that he did it. <br><br>
Posted by: OSXaddict

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/10/05 06:38 PM

Hehe..that's making me laugh now!<br><br>
Posted by: OSXaddict

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/10/05 06:42 PM

Hey SgtBaxter....looks kinda similar <br><br><br><br>
Posted by: SparkCollector

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/10/05 06:45 PM

Nuh-uhh.<br><br>The Info Panel on the right has less JPEG compression applied.<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: OSXaddict

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/10/05 07:00 PM

You weren't supposed to notice that. Now I'll just have to kill you.....<br><br>
Posted by: trey

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/10/05 07:12 PM

Yeah, I think it wasn't too long after I upgraded to 9. I was probably just looiking around at all the new features and such (seems like there sure a lot between 8.6 and 9.2) and got mixed up in the fray.<br><br>
Posted by: trey

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/10/05 07:14 PM

No sweat.<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: iRock

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/10/05 08:46 PM

Hoo Boy Trey that's pretty funny.<br><br>
Posted by: trey

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/10/05 09:31 PM

Here's something from Gulliver at Apple Discussions:<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Most installation and update problems seem to be caused by issues that existed already before the update and became worse, or appeared first after the update/installation. There is consensus that one should never run an upgrade on a system that already has problems. <br><br>But how can you keep a system in good shape? <br><br>There are several routine maintenance tasks that should be run regularly plus a few simple rules you should follow. <br><br>Let's start with some general rules: <br><br>1. Whenever you run an installation that uses the installer application you should <a href="http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?128@222.OJ7WavguPtb.64640@.6893ed83" target=_blank>Repair permissions before and after the update!</a> <br><br><br>2. Whenever you have to force-shutdown or force-restart your computer you should run fsck at the next restart. For further information on how to do that see <a href="http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106214" target=_blank>Using Disk Utility and fsck for file system maintenance in Mac OS X</a>. This might not be necessary if your hard disk is Journaled. <br><br>3. BACKUP regularly! <br><br>Now let's go on to routine maintenance tasks. <br><br>MacOS X has a set of routine tasks (CRON-scripts) that are run automatically - <a href="http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107388" target=_blank>between 3:15am and 5:30am</a>. Unless you leave your computer running overnight you should regularly run these manually. This is also number one on my check-list: <br><br>1. Run CRON-scripts once a week. Further information can be found here: <a href="http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107388" target=_blank>How to Force Background Maintenance Tasks (Logs and Temporary Items)</a>. Two very useful applications for this purpose are <a href="http://www.macosxcocktail.com/index.html" target=_blank>Cocktail</a> and <a href="http://personalpages.tds.net/~brian_hill/macjanitor.html" target=_blank>MacJanitor</a>. They provide a graphical user interface for these scripts (and Cocktail offers many more options). <a href="http://www.atomicbird.com/" target=_blank>Macaroni</a> lets you automate this and offers appr. the same features as Cocktail. <br><br>2. Clean user and internet caches and archived logs once a week. You can do this with utilities like <a href="http://www.northernsoftworks.com/panthercachecleaner.html" target=_blank>Panther Cache Cleaner</a>, <a href="http://www.titanium.free.fr/english.html" target=_blank>OnyX</a> and Cocktail (all can be found at versiontracker.com) <br><br>3. Run <a href="http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/index.html" target=_blank>DiskWarrior</a> or <a href="http://www.micromat.com/tt_pro_4/tt_pro_4.html" target=_blank>TechTool Pro 4</a> once a month and repair/replace your directory. It is commercial software but well worth the investment! <br><br><br>4. A very controversial topic is Disk Defragmentation. Here is what Apple says: <a href="http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25668" target=_blank>Mac OS X: About Disk Optimization</a>. I personally defragment my hard disks once every 3 months (with <a href="http://www.micromat.com/drive_10/drive_10_introduction.html" target=_blank>Drive 10</a> or <a href="http://www.micromat.com/tt_pro_4/tt_pro_4.html" target=_blank>TechTool Pro 4</a>). <br><br>5. If your system speed drops considerably it can be useful to force-prebind your system. This might speed up application startup and can solve some issues (e.g. SETI@home screensaver). You can do that with Cocktail, but you can also use <a href="http://www.mkd.cc/sox/" target=_blank> System Optimizer X</a> or Onyx. <br><br>This To-Do-list might look complicated but actually it only needs 10 minutes a week plus another 15 minutes once a month to keep your system healthy. <br><br>More detailed information can be found here: <br><br><a href="http://www.macdevcenter.com/lpt/a/4400" target=_blank>Published on MacDevCenter: Panther Maintenance Tips</a> <br><br><a href="http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html" target=_blank>OS X Routine Maintenance and Generic Troubleshooting</a> <br><br><a href="http://www.macworld.com/2005/01/features/preventmacdisasters/index.php" target=_blank>MacWorld 2/2005: Prevent Mac Disasters</a><BR><BR> <p><hr></blockquote><p><br>
Posted by: Anonymous

cron AppleScript - 02/10/05 10:05 PM

If you use a password to log on, this is a great cron AppleScript to put into your account startup items (type your password where the *****s are). Niel gave me this one.<br><br>set cur_date to (current date)<br>set com_string to "sudo periodic daily"<br>if weekday of cur_date is Sunday then<br> set com_string to com_string & " weekly"<br>end if<br>if day of cur_date is 1 then<br> set com_string to com_string & " monthly"<br>end if<br>do shell script com_string password "*****" with administrator privileges<br><br>
Posted by: trey

Re: cron AppleScript - 02/10/05 10:17 PM

Yeah, the only thing I don't like about that is the possibility of someone extracting my password from the AppleScript.<br><br>I know, I know, I'm being paranoid. But hey, that's what passwords are all about, right?<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: cron AppleScript - 02/10/05 10:24 PM

True... But wouldn't they have to know the password to log on in the first place?<br><br>
Posted by: Bryan

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/10/05 11:08 PM

I've never bought TechToolPro, DiskWarrior or Norton. I've never repaired permissions. I just never do any of that. Just a nice fresh install to make the OS snappy again, which contrary to public opinion, is not the same thing as climbing Mount Everest <br><br>
Posted by: trey

Re: cron AppleScript - 02/11/05 12:25 AM

An OS X install disc would allow one to circumvent that... assuming that Open Firmware password wasn't installed.<br><br>
Posted by: trey

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 12:33 AM

And that's one thing that's pretty cool about Mac OS: it's so easy to work with and reinstall that anyone can do it.<br><br>Have you ever tried to reinstall Windows? It's a miserable experience. At least it was for me. And certainly it was in comparison with installing any Mac OS that I've installed.<br><br>But I do enjoy getting under the hood a bit and finding out what exactly it may be that's making things operate, shall we say, less than smoothly. I like to be able to say, "Oh, it was this or that," as opposed to "Oh, I just reinstalled the OS." The "i.t." guys at my work handle Macs that way.<br><br>
Posted by: Bryan

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 12:46 AM

Reinstalling OS X is now faster than it was with OS 9...if you just use the first Panther CD (CDs 2-4 just include outdated apps anyway.)<br><br>Windows, on the other hand, takes a minimum of two hours.<br><br>
Posted by: OSXaddict

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 04:25 AM

But isn't that a typical Windows thing to do? <br><br>I only do a clean install with . releases, like 10.3, and I'll do it with 10.4 just to clean up files that I may have installed and never used.<br><br>
Posted by: Bryan

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 04:32 AM

I blow mine out with each new release, then every so often when OS X begins to slow down. I'm sure there's some app I could run to clean the cache or delete the log files, but I enjoy the process of backing up my files and taking inventory of what apps I really use, then downloading all the latest versions. <br><br>
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 05:34 AM

With FireWire hard drives and DVD burning to archive files, blowing out the hard drive and reinstalling OS X is a painless operation. I don't have to do it as much now as I did with previous OS X releases, but I do this at least twice a year. <br><br>At least consider this: They do this each and every night at the Apple Store. Now, this is done so that every Mac starts the day uniformly, but you never see a sluggish Mac bogging down at the Apple Store.<br><br>****************<br>no sig
Posted by: SgtBaxter

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 10:39 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>The Info Panel on the right has less JPEG compression applied.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Considering the panel on the left is an 8 color GIF, I'd say just the opposite is true. ;)<br><br>
Posted by: SparkCollector

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 11:28 AM

A-HAAA!!!<br><br>"Welcome to my parlor," said the Sparky to the Sarge.<br><br>I got you to admit those panels were different, by using the old the-one-on-the-right-has-less-JPEG-compression-applied trick!<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 05:15 PM

Apple techs do NOT blow out hard drives. In fact, they recommend AGAINST it. Reason being that any bad blocks that have been remapped would be revisited, and that is bad medicine. <br><br>There is absolutely NO reason to erase and reinstall on a Mac unless you are selling it or you bought it used and want to make a clean start.<br><br>It's pure superstition to go through all that work for nothing. It's bad for your hard drive, too. <br><br>A hard drive is nothing but a magnetic storage device. Do you erase your cassette tapes and then re-record them to make them work better? Do you erase your videocassette tapes and then put the movies back on them to make them work better? <br><br>Of course not. It's ridiculous. <br><br><br>
Posted by: trey

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 05:29 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>There is absolutely NO reason to erase and reinstall on a Mac unless you are selling it or you bought it used and want to make a clean start.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Yeah there is... to sound cool to all your friends.<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 05:46 PM

Or if you are trying to hide something... <br><br>
Posted by:

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 05:49 PM

Do videocassette tapes constantly write and erase data like a hard drive? Do they fragment?<br><br><br>Edit: Actually, YES! Re-recording your video cassettes would produce a cleaner picture. Because you're slowly erasing them every time you watch them, recording them from a fresh source would yield a better copy. But who keeps master versions of videocassettes? No one. Who has master versions of their OS? All of us.<br><br><br><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Sam on 02/11/05 08:53 PM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 05:56 PM

Panther uses "Hot-File-Adaptive-Clustering" to defrag on the fly. <br><br>
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Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 05:57 PM

And if I told you wolverines made great house pets would you believe that, too?<br><br>
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 06:08 PM

I'm just making this all up to annoy you. <br><br><br><br>
Posted by:

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 06:10 PM

That's what I thought.<br><br>
Posted by: Bryan

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 06:22 PM

This is all a matter of opinion, but every version of OS X I have ever used bogs down over time. Reinstalling restores the snappiness. <br><br>As for bad blocks, I always "zero all data" with disk utility before I install a fresh copy of the OS. <br><br>To each their own....<br><br>
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 06:39 PM

Brian (an Apple Certified Tech) said this once and I have always remembered it because it makes sense: <br><br>"Zero-ing a drive wipes the factory bad blocks map and starts from scratch, visiting every block on the drive. The factory format visited every block on the drive and may have found bad blocks. These bad blocks should never be visited again unless the drive's behavior warrants it. Bad blocks may have enough crud on them to decrease or even equal the drive's MTBF. <br><br>Zero-ing drives without due cause is specious."<br><br>For those who STILL don't understand, the definition of specious:<br><br>spe·cious (sp?'sh?s) <br>adj.<br>1. Having the ring of truth or plausibility but actually fallacious: a specious argument.<br>2. Deceptively attractive.<br><br>And the definition of MTBF = Mean Time Before Failure <br><br>But I'm just making this all up to annoy you, of course. So go write zeros all over your hard drive now and reinstall everything. <br><br><br>
Posted by: Pete

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 06:47 PM

What's the big issue with wiping and re-installing?<br><br>I do it as a matter of convenience- not to show off or anything. It gives me a chance to clear out old apps I don't use anymore, freshen up my libraries, and like Bryan said to give the OS a little pep. In all my years of doing this, I don't recall problems revisiting bad sectors - or any bad sectors for that matter. <br><br>I may be different, though- I usually replace my main HD every 8-10 months anyway. So I figure I only wipe it about 3-4 times at MOST before starting over with a new drive anyway...<br><br><br>
Posted by: OSXaddict

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 06:53 PM

Why replace? Just get one of these! <br><br>http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10600<br><br><br><br><br>
Posted by:

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 06:54 PM

What you're proposing is that a years-old system with updates and rewrites and this-and-that runs better than a newly-installed, fresh system. Is that what you're saying? If that's what you're saying, then all the laws of the universe have been wrong up until this point. Stop the presses. We're living in a bizarro world.<br><br>
Posted by: OSXaddict

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 06:59 PM

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Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 07:00 PM

Please stop posting pictures of me.<br><br>
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 07:03 PM

It's specious, isn't it?<br><br>
Posted by: OSXaddict

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 07:14 PM

Why? Cause people will call you block-head? I think this is your good side.<br><br><br><br>
Posted by: trey

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 07:17 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>What's the big issue with wiping and re-installing?<p><hr></blockquote><p>I suppose it really is a matter of "to each his own." Back in the pre OS X days, I'd wipe the hd and reinstall the os every few months or so. It just felt fun, and like I was doing something productive.<br><br>I really think that the percieved "snappiness" is probably something more along the lines of a placeboic effect. I mean, what could really be going on there to slow things down? Are files getting out of place? I doubt it.<br><br>I could be wrong, though, as I don't know jus twhat it is that everyone is using their machines for: FinalCut Pro and big apps such as that could build up big log files that may slow tings down over time... but I really don't see where a machine that's used primarily for websurfing/email/et al would really benifit.<br><br>Where do you guys see the performance boost? I'd like to try it out myself and see if it works. If it does, well, I'm a believer too.<br><br>
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 07:19 PM

Hey Donna .. <br><br>A guy I know who works at the Apple Store once told me they did this every night .. Maybe he was misinformed. <br><br>All I can say is that I've been reformatting my Mac's hard drive and reinstalling OS X several times per year since OS X was released ... No troubles yet ... Doesn't take too long and I've always noticed my Mac is snappier afterwards. <br><br>I also snort the powdered horn of a Unicorn, drink the blood of a chicken and tickle my nipples with the whiskers of a Billy Goat .. Maybe that has something to do with it too.<br><br>****************<br>no sig
Posted by: Pete

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 07:26 PM

Never said a huge boost, but for me it just clears out a lot of the crap I may have installed over the months and now have no need for. Ipso facto, the OS can only run that much cleaner and smoother...<br><br>
Posted by: alAnonymous

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 07:27 PM

Voodoo science baby..... yeah!<br><br><br><br>--------------------<br>
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 07:36 PM

Matt,<br><br>I don't work at an Apple Store, so I don't know what they do. <br><br>The fact that some drives have bad blocks that are mapped during the factory install of the OS doesn't mean that all drives have bad blocks.<br><br>It is not a recommended thing to do, according to those who are experts on the subject, is all I'm saying. <br><br>
Posted by: trey

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 07:38 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>A guy I know who works at the Apple Store once told me they did this every night .. Maybe he was misinformed.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>I doubt he was misinformed; I can see why they would for the demo models. It would give them a fresh start, just like you said. But they probably have custom install discs that have things like Photoshop and whatnot on them. I wouldn't know, as I've never been into an Apple Store... *Sniff, sniff*<br><br>But I do know that the CompUSA here has PS and all that jazz on them, and that the systems are always full of crap that customers put on them and do to them. I would want to reinstall from a fresh disc everyday as well.<br><br>
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 07:39 PM

That's cool .. You raise some valid points. Not knowing these points until now, I was just relating the practice I've undertaken, without incident, since March of 2001.<br><br>****************<br>no sig
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 07:58 PM

I guess to each his own. <br><br>It was an interesting conversation. <br><br>I took some digital photos showing fragmentation on my iMac 600 SE. I bought it in May 2001 and have never done a reinstall of any kind. It's now running OS 10.3.7 and it started out with 9.1. <br><br>I ran no disk utilities for 7 months and used it constantly, then I ran Norton Speed Disk to check out the fragmentation. Norton said it had "severe fragmentation", but only 0.1% of the files were fragmented after all that time (without running any utilities and never doing a reinstall). http://homepage.mac.com/dreed2/PhotoAlbum40.html<br><br>After defragging and running Disk Warrior, it was as good as new. I do heavy-duty graphics work with that machine... Illustrator, Photoshop, GoLive, Flash... Not to mention MS Office and the PowerPoint presentations I have to do for work.<br><br>
Posted by: Pete

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/11/05 10:10 PM

So theoretically, what's more work- running all those utilities or wiping the drive once in a while and reinstalling?<br><br>
Posted by: watcher

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/12/05 03:33 AM

I only run one utility .. it is called Disk Utility.<br>I occasionally repair permissions when things get a little hairy. Like every six months maybe or just after an update that goes flaky.<br>Honestly I have seen no need to do anything concerning Norton Speed Disk since OS 8 though I agree it is the better defrag tool. I just don't need it.<br>As for Disk Warrior. I used it regularly up until OS 9.2.2 haven't used it since.<br>I have never wiped and reformatted in ten years of using Mac's<br><br>
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: 10.3.8 - Do You Dare? - 02/12/05 08:05 AM

Windows 3.1 had 6 floppy disks. I had to sit there and wait for the prompt to insert each floppy. I wasted hours and hours of my life wiping and reinstalling Windows.<br><br>I don't know what's more work, running utilities a couple times a year or wiping the drive and reinstalling. But I know what I prefer. :-)<br><br><br><br>