Whazzup in AppleLand?

Posted by: MachOne

Whazzup in AppleLand? - 10/20/02 09:52 PM

Dear Appie,<br><br>Despite Apple's best efforts, the Mac share of the new computer market continues to decline. There's been a lot of bad PR lately for Apple, the most recent debacle being that scrap between Jobs and IDG.<br><br>Have they lost it over there in Cupertino, or is there a method to this madness that is beyond the understanding of this mere mortal?<br><br>I hope so, but I'm beginning to doubt it. The wheels appear to be in real danger of falling off. Have they finally run out of "insanely great" ideas?<br><br>(Signed: "Concerned" of Gumboot City.)<br><br>
Posted by: MachOne

Note to self... - 10/21/02 12:10 AM

...if you want to get any reactions from the assembled MM throng, don't bother starting any "What's up with Apple" type threads.<br><br>/Note <br><br>
Posted by: margadagio

Re: Note to self... - 10/21/02 12:11 AM

I'll remember that. <br><br><br><br>
Posted by: MachOne

Re: Note to self... - 10/21/02 12:19 AM

I don't know what I was thinking...<br><br>
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Whazzup in AppleLand? - 10/21/02 01:28 AM

I'm sure Apple is carefully calculating their whole comeback scheme, letting all those windows weenies crow about their speed just long enough so they're really convinced it makes a difference, and then pulling the new 4.6 GHz G5 from out of nowhere so that the weenies will have to switch cause they believe their own MHz myth.<br><br>Great wits are sure to madness near allied.--John Dryden, "Absalom and Achitophel"
Posted by: steveg

Re: Note to self... - 10/21/02 01:51 AM

What can I say? We wuz speechless! Dumbtsruck, I tell ya. <br><br>
Posted by: MachOne

He he he he... - 10/21/02 02:36 AM

...fourpointsixgigahertz. *snicker* He he, you said the giga word. <br><br>
Posted by: MachOne

Re: Note to self... - 10/21/02 02:41 AM

Dumbtsruck? That Yiddish for gobmascked? <br><br>My next new thread is going to be a story about how our budgies got adopted. Should garner a poultice of responses. <br><br>
Posted by: lesh

Re: Whazzup in AppleLand? - 10/21/02 02:47 AM

My complaint about Apple<br><br>I've reached a point where I feel the need to express my disappointment with Apple. For starters, my purpose here is not to demonstrate conclusively that nerdy louts like Apple are all alike. Well, okay, it is. But I should point out that there are some simple truths in this world. First, Apple's arrogance will lead it to besmirch the memory of some genuine historic figures by the end of the decade. Second, it is incumbent upon all of us to confront Apple's hatchet jobs head-on. And finally, this is not the place to develop that subject. It demands many pages of analysis, which I can't spare in this letter. Instead, I'll just state the key point, which is that Apple is missing not only the point, but also the whole paradigm shift and huge sociological implications. It will almost certainly tiptoe around that glaringly evident fact, because if it didn't, you might come to realize that I welcome its comments. However, it needs to realize that some people think it's a bit extreme of me to put an end to callow pharisaism -- a bit over the top, perhaps. Well, what I ought to remind such people is that Apple maintains that the ideas of "freedom" and "philistinism" are Siamese twins. Perhaps it would be best for it to awaken from its delusional narcoleptic fantasyland and observe that we can all have daydreams about Happy Fuzzy Purple Bunny Land, where everyone is caring, loving, and nice. Not only will those daydreams not come true, but to say that it understands the difference between civilization and savagery is rabid nonsense and untrue to boot. It may be helpful to take a step back and develop an alternative community, a cohesive and comprehensive underground with a charter to take steps toward creating an inclusive society free of attitudinal barriers. No joke. However, Apple has been deluding people into believing that it acts in the public interest. Don't let it delude you, too. <br><br>Apple can write anything it wants about how things would be different were we to give into its demands and let it place stumbling blocks in front of those of us who seek value and fulfilment in our personal and professional lives, but many people who follow its revenge fantasies have come to the erroneous conclusion that it's perfectly safe to drink and drive. The stark truth of the matter is that the picture I am presenting need not be confined to Apple's convictions. It applies to everything it says and does. As a parenthetical note, the word "characteristicalness" is so compromised that I retain it only as a pejorative. Don't make the mistake of thinking otherwise. Apple does, and that's why there is no place in this country where we are safe from its supporters, no place where we are not targeted for hatred and attack. For a variety of reasons, some strategic, some ideological, some attitudinal, and all of them wrong, the worst kinds of superficial uncouth-types there are make our country spiritually blind. Apple's position that no one is smart enough to see through its transparent lies is based upon a specious argument without any substantive basis. That's the sort of statement that some people feel is infernal, but which I believe is merely a statement of fact. And it's a statement that needs to be made, because griping about Apple will not make it stop trying to trick academics into abandoning the principles of scientific inquiry. But even if it did, it would just find some other way to trade fundamental human rights for a cheap "guarantee" of safety and security. <br><br>As you can see, I've tried explaining to Apple's backers that Apple has only half (if that) of the information needed to make an informed decision about colonialism, but it is clear to me in talking to them that they have no comprehension of what I'm saying. I might as well be talking to creatures from Mars. Apple's propaganda machine once said that Apple would never inject even more fear and divisiveness into political campaigns. So much for credibility! Perhaps there will be public outrage if Apple tries to permit pouty drug addicts to rise to positions of leadership and authority, but remember that I want to supply the missing ingredient that could stop the worldwide slide into credentialism. That may seem simple enough, but what really upsets me is that it wants to give voice, in a totally emotional and non-rational way, to its deep-rooted love of alcoholism. So let it call me inarticulate. I call it ignominious. <br><br>After watching Apple's cat's-paws condone illegal activities, one might conclude that Apple et al. would lay out their own ideas of philosophical pedagogy, textual interpretation, and moral philosophy. Surprisingly, nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, if you look back over some of my older letters, you'll see that I predicted that Apple would wage a clandestine guerilla war against many basic human rights. And, as I predicted, it did. But you know, that was not a difficult prediction to make. Anyone who has bothered to learn even a little about Apple could have made the same prediction. If I am doomed to self-censor my critique of Apple, then Apple will obviously let down ladders which the doctrinaire, daft, and viperine scramble to climb sometime soon. Apple has it all wrong; if it had done its homework, it'd know that I, not being one of the many ornery, footling rude-types of this world, don't want to build castles in the air. I don't want to plan things that I can't yet implement. But I do want to reach the broadest possible audience with the message that I will do my best to halt the destructive process that is carrying our civilization toward extinction, because doing so clearly demonstrates how I have a dream, a mission, a set path that I would like to travel down. Specifically, my goal is to shatter the adage that black is white and night is day. Of course, it is terrified that there might be an absolute reality outside itself, a reality that is what it is, regardless of its wishes, theories, hopes, daydreams, or decrees. <br><br>Maybe Apple is being manipulated by unbridled, boisterous blockheads, but even so, it has been brought to my attention that it trumpets disorganized interventionism laced with unambitious extremism. While this is true, if my memory serves me correctly, this is not the first time I've wanted to enable patriots to use their freedoms to save their freedoms. But it is the first time I realized that there is a simple answer to the question of what to do about its propositions. The difficult part is in implementing the answer. The answer is that we must provide you with vital information which it has gone to great lengths to prevent you from discovering. If Apple bites me, I will indeed bite back. If we contradict Apple, we are labelled foul-mouthed, venal prophets of negativism. If we capitulate, however, we forfeit our freedoms. I undeniably hope that humanity will rid this earth of incoherent misanthropes with the greatest dispatch, since otherwise, the earth might well become rid of humanity. There is reason to fear that jaded oafs will make serious dialogue difficult or impossible before long. But there are other strains of hidebound racialism active today, and the siren calls of those movements may mesmerize brazen tyrants whose anal-retentive fervor blinds them to historical lessons. <br><br>As I see it, Apple favors obfuscation and deviousness above frankness. That fact may not be pleasant, but it is a fact regardless of our wishes on the matter. Now, I'm no fan of Apple's, but still, we must learn to celebrate our diversity, not because it is the politically correct thing to do, but because the worst sorts of pugnacious, nugatory mendicants there are are the biggest threat to freedom the world has ever seen. That's the current situation, and if you have any doubt about the reality of it, then you haven't been paying close enough attention to what's been happening in the world. Now, I am all for freedom of speech, but I'm not writing this letter for your entertainment. I'm not even writing it for your education. I'm writing it for our very survival. <br><br>The truth hurts, doesn't it, Apple? Apple's victims have been speaking out for years. Unfortunately, their voices have long been silenced by the roar and thunder of Apple's trucklers, who loudly proclaim that newspapers should report only on items Apple agrees with. Regardless of those despicable proclamations, the truth is that its shenanigans are a house of mirrors. How are we to find the opening that leads to freedom? The answer is obvious if you understand that it should learn to appreciate what it has instead of feeling so oppressed because it can't do everything it wants, every time it wants to. If Apple wants to make bribery legal and part of business as usual, fine. Just don't make me react violently while it's at it. What Apple apparently fails to realize is that it is capable of only two things, namely whining and underhanded tricks. <br><br>A small child really couldn't understand that Apple is a very unpleasant little organization. But any adult can easily grasp that if Apple can one day recruit and encourage young people to force us to do things or take stands against our will, just as older drug dealers use young kids to push drugs, then the long descent into night is sure to follow. If you look soberly and carefully at the evidence all around you, you will truly find that I decidedly hope that the truth will prevail and that justice will be served before Apple does any real damage. Or is it already too late? A complete answer to that question would take more space than I can afford, so I'll have to give you a simplified answer. For starters, Apple's overbearing publicity stunts arose out of an unjust system only to spread more injustice in their wake, proving that there is no end to irrational, short-sighted exhibitionism. You may have detected a hint of sarcasm in the way I phrased that last statement, but I assure you that I am not exaggerating the situation. Apple talks loudly about family values and personal responsibility, but when it comes to backing up those words with actions, all it does is pervert human instincts by suppressing natural, feral constraints and encouraging abnormal patterns of behavior. Before I leave this issue, let me share an interesting finding from a recent poll: Four out of five people surveyed believe that Apple is intellectually dishonest in everything it says and does, so to speak. <br><br>Particularly telling is the way that Apple might make incorrect leaps of logic faster than you can say "dendrochronological". What are we to do then? Place blinders over our eyes and hope we don't see the horrible outcome? Apple has a staggering number of self-serving, soporific compeers. One way to lower their numbers, if not eradicate them entirely, is simple. We just inform them that if Apple thinks that it can doctor evidence and classification systems and make stupid generalizations to support intellectually stultified, preconceived views and get away with it, then it's sadly mistaken. My prediction that Apple would lionize the worst classes of bleeding-heart hooligans I've ever seen came true so quickly, so brutally, so horribly, that even I was stunned by the magnitude and viciousness of it all. <br><br>It appears that, for Apple, "open-mindedness" isn't a policy or a belief, but a flag to wave when it feels like it, and one to hide when it doesn't suit its purposes. Well, that's getting away from my main topic, which is that it will probably never understand why it scares me so much. And Apple does scare me: Its quips are scary, its newsgroup postings are scary, and most of all, now is the time to redefine the rhetoric and make room for meaningful discussion. I know you're wondering why I just wrote that. I'll explain shortly, but first, I should state that there is a problem here. A large, narrow-minded, offensive problem. It is more than a purely historical question to ask, "How did Apple's reign of terror start?" or even the more urgent question, "How might it end?". No, we must ask, "To what depths of depravity does Apple need to descend before the rest of us realize we must maximize our individual potential for effectiveness and success in combatting it?" People often ask me that question. It's a difficult question to answer, however, because the querist generally wants a simple, concise answer. He doesn't want to hear a long, drawn-out explanation about how Apple claims to have turned over a new leaf shortly after getting caught trying to pose a threat to personal autonomy and social development. This claim is an outright lie that is still being circulated by Apple's slaves. The truth is that Apple may do everything possible to keep what I call fatuous scofflaws moonstruck and socially inept right after it reads this letter. Let it. Any day now, I, for one, will lead Apple out of a dream world and back to hard reality. Given the range and unpredictability of human behavior, it is quite possible that Apple's perversions are precisely the kind of thing that will stand in the way of progress before you know it. If you doubt this, just ask around. Oppressive delinquents are responsible for the villainous, craven tenor of Apple's nostrums. And that's the honest truth.<br> <br>[i]Verbal barrage courtesy of this site<br><br>
Posted by: MachOne

Errrr...is there a Readers Digest version of that - 10/21/02 02:51 AM

Posted by: sross

Re: A modest proposal - 10/21/02 02:51 AM

It is being propounded that Apple take it's show directly to the PC world (after all, that's what "Switch" is all about) by pulling out of the MacWorld Expo's and going right into the heart of the Dark Side. Set up a big booth at PC Expo and wow them. Become a real player in the computer world by going heads-up and expounding the "Digital Hub" concept.<br>No flames please. <br><br><br>
Posted by: carp

Re: A modest proposal - 10/21/02 03:08 AM

I just don't think that going into the Lions Den is the answer.<br>After all what do they do there but Play Games on PCs? Apples weak side.<br><br>Apple just wants to get away from people conceptions that at every MacWorld the company will have the latest and greatist products to show.<br><br>Apple said that them selfs last year. That Apple wants to move away from Announcing new innovations at Expos.<br><br>Think about it, there are 4 Expos a year.<br>MWNY<br>MWSF<br>Expo Japan<br>Expo France.<br><br>Every 3 months people expect Apple to come up with something ground breaking.<br><br>Just to much and I understand Apples thinking - "Give me a break will Ya"<br><br>Just my opinion.<br><br>
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Whazzup in AppleLand? - 10/21/02 04:05 AM

Boy, you said a mouthful, lesh! <br><br>Great wits are sure to madness near allied.--John Dryden, "Absalom and Achitophel"
Posted by: OSXaddict

Re: A modest proposal - 10/21/02 09:42 AM

Personally, I think they should take a booth at PC Expo...show them how superior OSX is.<br><br>As for games, there are plenty of games out and show them that there is more coming and how much easier it is to port them over now. Plus, I seem to recall this on the front of MM's page:<br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>DirectX support arrive for the Mac<br>Coderus recently unveiled MacDX, a product that brings support for Microsoft's DirectX API -- used in 90 percent of PC games -- to Mac OS 9 and Mac OS X. As reported by Macworld UK, MacDX could potentially pave the way for more PC games to be ported to the Mac in less time. Virtual Publishing's Wipeout 2097, released earlier this year, is the first game to take advantage of the technology.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>So...macs weak side is games? I don't think for too much longer!<br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Note to self... - 10/21/02 10:24 AM

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Posted by: steveg

Re: A modest proposal - 10/21/02 10:49 AM

Makes sense to me. Go back to the "renegade" attitude they espoused when the Mac development team flew a Jolly Roger over their building.<br><br>Cut their presence at MacWorld Expo to 25% of what it's historically been, and establish a small but clear presence behind "enemy" lines.<br><br>
Posted by: hayesk

Re: Whazzup in AppleLand? - 10/21/02 02:22 PM

The Mac market is growing. The Mac market share is not. Big difference. Apple has more customers than they had in the past. There are more opportunities for developers to make money in the Mac market than ever before because there are more Macs in use than before.<br><br>Who cares if the Wintel market is growing faster? GM sells a lot of cars, but I'm still going to drive my Toyota.<br><br>
Posted by: MachOne

Re: Whazzup in AppleLand? - 10/21/02 02:52 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>The Mac market is growing.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Well there we must agree to differ. Apple's own figures show a reduction in sales, both dollar value and units shipped. If the iPod wasn't in the mix, things would look a lot worse.<br><br>When you consider the interest that the 4+ billion dollar war chest must be adding to the bottom line, there's got to be some concern that the sales of Mac hardware are just not enough to sustain the brand.<br><br>The developer thing is a greyer area. Do developers consider a finite number as a benchmark for deciding whether it's worth the investment, or do they look at the relative proportions between the Mac platform and the others?<br><br>Frankly I don't have the answer to that but again, a dwindling share must be something developers consider before they make the investment.<br><br>Still, I take your point. Time will tell, but I hope there's a turnaround sometime soon. Right now Apple looks pretty vulnerable to me.<br><br>
Posted by: hayesk

Re: Whazzup in AppleLand? - 10/21/02 03:19 PM

A reduction in sales only means they sold less this year than last year. Take into account the number of Macs in use, rather than how many are sold year after year. People don't throw away their computers as often as PC users.<br><br>Yes, developers have to consider where they focus their efforts, but they also have to take into account the costs of selling to a Mac market vs. a Windows market. Tech supports costs, and marketing are lower because of the tighter-knit Mac community. There is also a lot less competition in the Mac market.<br><br>Reasons like this are why you still see lots of Mac development going on.<br><br>People have been saying Apple is in trouble for years. Is this the low point? Public perception of Apple is really good now. I would say Apple is in a much better position now than five years ago.<br><br>
Posted by: MachOne

Re: Whazzup in AppleLand? - 10/21/02 07:54 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Take into account the number of Macs in use, rather than how many are sold year after year. People don't throw away their computers as often as PC users.<p><hr></blockquote><p>I'm not sure how that helps Apple. Are you saying that they still earn revenue from that installed base? If so, how? <br><br>As people often repeat on these forums, Apple is first and foremost a hardware company, so the lion's share of its income is from selling new hardware.<br><br>If you're saying Apple can gain revenue from selling software to that huge installed base, then I have to disagree since the lastest and now only OS will not work on the majority of those machines, nor will the apps designed for the new OS.<br><br>So again, how does that help Apple?<br><br>This is where the problem lies for Apple right now. They need to drive sales to reverse the recent trend. <br><br>Perhaps your optimism is warranted and this is indeed just a temporary trough. And you're right; many times before Apple has been written off by people yet is still around today. Maybe I'm foolish to be concerned. But concerned I am, and I have yet to see anything in print that give a credible answer to the situation Apple finds itself in at this time.<br><br>And my apologies for the excessive number of cliches in the foregoing...at least I never said beleagured. <br><br>
Posted by: JonnyCat

Re: Whazzup in AppleLand? - 10/21/02 08:18 PM

Interesting.<br><br>Besides my wife and I, I know 2 other switchers and right now we have two friends that are seriously looking at Apple right now.<br><br>Off to PC World! There are curious people out there, they just need to be informed of what Apple has to offer.<br><br>
Posted by: MacGizmo

Re: Whazzup in AppleLand? - 10/22/02 12:37 AM

I'm not certain there is any clear-cut answer to Apple's problems, however I feel that for Apple to compete (even on a smaller scale), they MUST get out there and get in the face of potential PC buyers. However, potential PC buyers (new users) don't go to expos. I feel that Apple attending a PC expo can't hurt them (other than the $$$ they spend), but until they offer more affordable hardware that competes with the row after row of sub-$1,000 machines sold at CompUSA, they will never be in a position to compete.<br><br>I'll be the first to admit that Apple's machines are a much better value, but that's only if you are a savvy user who "needs" all that Apple offers in most machines (great video cards, superdrive, expensive flat screens, etc...)<br><br>I don't believe that faster machines are the key to Apple's success. Yes, they have to stay in the same ballpark, but they certainly don't need a 2ghz processor to impress someone who surfs the net and uses MS Office. They need cheap machines with extra features such as .Mac, iTunes, iMovie, etc...<br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Whazzup in AppleLand? - 10/22/02 12:45 AM

The PC market as a whole is contracting. There are just fewer sales overall. And as the megahertz myth continues to whither, fewer consumers feel compelled to upgrade with every new speed bump. I don't see this affecting Apple any differently than it does Dell or Gateway. On the other hand, if Apple makes an aggressive move to reach out to Windows users, their share may improve a few percent.<br><br>
Posted by: Mcteak

Re: Whazzup in AppleLand? - 10/22/02 12:48 AM

I feel you are so correct, most individuals don't buy by brand, heck all PCs are the same on the inside. Buyers want the most bang for their buck. At work, we have 30 PCs and 2 Mac (mine). The users of the PCs don't care who fast, how big etc., they just want to get to theri email, write letters, work on budgets, and access our network servers. If we could do that with a Mac (yes, I know we can, because I do it every day), everyone would be just a happy. Problem is cost and ROI. $700 win box or a $1100 Mac? Bottom line: it's the bottom line.<br><br>Too Easy!
Posted by: JonnyCat

Re: Whazzup in AppleLand? - 10/22/02 12:54 AM

so far price has not been too much of a problem. Maybe because these switchers were just tired of their Windows 98 boxes crapping out all the time. Mind you XP might be better, but when they see us make iMovies and DVDs they are just amazed at what an Apple can do - and they want to do the same stuff.<br><br>It's amazing how little PC people (including myself before I got a Mac) know about Macs. The biggest question they ask is "What do I use for Office on the Mac" - we smile and say "Office, of course! just about every program on the PC has a Mac version"<br><br>Having an Apple store just down the road helps too. This weekend we are making field trip with one of our friends to look at the eMac or iMac. We will have to resist purchasing an iBook ourselves <br><br>
Posted by: steveg

Re: Whazzup in AppleLand? - 10/22/02 12:57 AM

On the way back from a location shoot last Friday, the stylist began asking me about Macs (guess what hat I was wearing that started the conversation). By the time we got back to the city, he was sold. Today he called to ask me if I'd meet him at the Mac store downstairs on Saturday, and help him with his purchase. <br><br>
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Whazzup in AppleLand? - 10/22/02 01:11 AM

I agree that bottom line is bottom line. What often folks who make the business decisions do not understand is that dollar for dollar the Mac computer will run rings around the Windows machines.<br><br>My school did the usual stupid thing about six or seven years ago, and bought the lowest-priced Macs for two of my colleagues and me, and the cheapest, within reason, PCs for another three colleagues. Since then, they've had to buy new computers for all three of the PC users, but my two Mac-using colleagues are still plugging away with their old, creaky but usable Macs. I lucked out and got a "legacy" B&W G3, which was deaccessioned by the Computer Center. Why did they deaccession Macs? Well, because PCs are so much cheaper. Right. Since then, there have been two generations of new PCs for those labs in the Computer Center, while, again, the old G3s that they dumped are still running, and running well--I've got Jaguar running on mine, and it does a beautiful job running it.<br><br>So "bottom line" questions really depend on how far down the time-line the buyer is looking. I think it would be fairly easy to make a case for how much cheaper a Mac is than a PC over the lives of the machines.<br><br>And that is not even getting into the question of how much "support," and the costs associated with support, a PC needs as opposed to the Mac. Now, I understand that "support" covers a multitude of things. For instance, since I act as the Mac "support" person for my building 9where there are about an equal number of PCs and Macs), I've learned that support includes telling people that the reason they can't open .doc attachments is not that Macs can't do it, but that they don't have Word on their machines. I still can't believe that people are that dull-witted, but I'll accept their questions as sincere. On the other hand, I've not had a single solitary hardware issue from any of the Mac users in my building in about a year's worth of "support." All the questions have been equally uninformed--most recently the chair of the faculty asked why her documents folder, which she'd backed up onto a zip disk, kept changing documents as she changed their counterparts on the HD. In other words, when she saved changes on the HD document, the document on the zip also changed.<br><br>I couldn't figure it out over the phone, but as soon as I saw the document folder icon on the zip disk I could tell that she'd moved the alias of the folder to the zip disk. Duh.<br><br>Again, those are honest, if bone-headed errors that are probably even more frequent with Windows users. But I have really had nothing in the way of real support to perform over the last year.<br><br>And that's with Mac that are, at best, four or five years old. Most are about 8 or so years old by now.<br><br>Great wits are sure to madness near allied.--John Dryden, "Absalom and Achitophel"
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Whazzup in AppleLand? - 10/22/02 01:13 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>meet him at the Mac store downstairs<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>I still can't get over the idea that you just walk downstairs to the Apple Store, Steve!<br><br>Great wits are sure to madness near allied.--John Dryden, "Absalom and Achitophel"
Posted by: steveg

Re: Whazzup in AppleLand? - 10/22/02 01:15 AM

Well... sometimes I RUN! <br><br>
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Whazzup in AppleLand? - 10/22/02 01:16 AM

I would.<br><br>And when the Apple Store opens in King of Prussia, 40 miles away, I might set a new land speed record. <br><br>Great wits are sure to madness near allied.--John Dryden, "Absalom and Achitophel"
Posted by: steveg

Re: Whazzup in AppleLand? - 10/22/02 01:19 AM

Make it a monthly family pilgrimage! <br><br>
Posted by: Mcteak

Re: Whazzup in AppleLand? - 10/22/02 01:20 AM

I have a win box running XP Pro on my desk. The only thing I use that box for is to keep track of our servers and to run our HR and Payroll software on. The mac I use is an old 7300/200 with Office 2001 loaded. I use my Mac 90% of the day. The win box, well 10%, and then it locks up about 4 to 5 times per day. I paid $50 for the Mac and $1300 for the win box. I agree, education is everything, M$ has everyone brainwashed!<br><br>Too Easy!
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Whazzup in AppleLand? - 10/22/02 01:21 AM

I was thinking daily, but I do have work to take care of.<br><br>Wish I could retire <br><br>Great wits are sure to madness near allied.--John Dryden, "Absalom and Achitophel"