She Doesn't Remember

Posted by: alAnonymous

She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 09:32 AM

How very Reagan. Great...thanks for showing up today Ms. Rice. Next time bring your memory. And a #2 Pencil.<br><br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>[color:blue]NOTE: This Avatar Has Been Changed To Protect The Innocent</font color=blue>
Posted by: DaddyMac

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 09:37 AM

Not that I completely buy that line, but I'm pretty certain the average person can't possibly comprehend what it's like to hold such a high governmental position, and what I'm sure are the hundreds upon thousands of details to process, and then be expected to remember later on...<br><br>But then again, isn't that what tape recorders and personal assistants are for? <br><br>No one is ever going to stand up there and say that 9-11 could have been prevented. If you were expecting anything along those lines, shame on you...<br><br>[color:red]You slap my back, I'll slap yours!</font color=red>
Posted by: alAnonymous

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 09:42 AM

I dunno, at least Clarke *apologized*, took some responsibility and admitted failure, and it came across as sincere.<br><br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>[color:blue]NOTE: This Avatar Has Been Changed To Protect The Innocent</font color=blue>
Posted by: djstefan

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 09:51 AM

"No one is ever going to stand up there and say that 9-11 could have been prevented. If you were expecting anything along those lines, shame on you.."<br><br><br><br>Uh, 411, yeah, hi, can you please give me the phone # for 911. <br><br>_________________________________________<br>You expect me to sign here or somethin?
Posted by: DaddyMac

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 09:53 AM

The fact that Clarke had a *book* coming out at the time does not lend too much to his 'sincerity' in my eyes, though... <br><br>[color:red]You slap my back, I'll slap yours!</font color=red>
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 10:00 AM

Rice hit a homerun. Good for her.<br><br>***********<br><br>[color:blue]as long as you're ordering double entendres, make mine a large, throbbing one</font color=blue>
Posted by: alAnonymous

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 10:01 AM

Well...book or No, IMO he apologized and it was worth something.<br><br>It's not like he winked at the camera with a copy of the book in his hand while hugging somebody.<br><br>Since she doesn't have a book, an apology by Rice would be even better. Forgiveness is ours to give, but its not hers to expect.<br><br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>[color:blue]NOTE: This Avatar Has Been Changed To Protect The Innocent</font color=blue>
Posted by: djstefan

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 10:02 AM

What would that homerun be? Did I miss something?<br><br>_________________________________________<br>You expect me to sign here or somethin?
Posted by: alAnonymous

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 10:05 AM

Homerun...whatever. She's doing no service to the people of this country. She dragged her feet all the way til she was all but ordered to appear. So much for her precious "precedent". A fax was sent to the White House last week of an archive photo of FDR's Security Adviser testifying. Now she "doesn't recall". A homerun most foul I'd say.<br><br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>[color:blue]NOTE: This Avatar Has Been Changed To Protect The Innocent</font color=blue>
Posted by: srumrill

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 10:06 AM

What did you do on August 26, 2001?<br><br>Can't remember? I'll narrow it down.<br><br>Who at work did you talk to, and what was the topic of your conversation?<br><br>
Posted by: alAnonymous

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 10:10 AM

She's being asked about her job, not her grocery shopping. <br><br>The White House tapes every recorded conversation between the President and his advisors...look at all the stuff that's been declassified in recent years. LBJ & his SecDef on Vietnam, Nixon, etc.<br><br>Besides, it doesn't matter. She's paid to know. And I'm quite sure at her level of government, EVERY little thing she does is documented.<br><br>Even at my little pee-on level I have to let my boss know when/why I'm leaving the country, even if it's just for leisure. And that gets documented.<br><br>So.... thpppp <br><br><br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>[color:blue]NOTE: This Avatar Has Been Changed To Protect The Innocent</font color=blue>
Posted by: srumrill

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 10:11 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>What would that homerun be? Did I miss something?<p><hr></blockquote><p>She answered all the questions that she could, and didn't let Senator Kerry back to into a corner. He was going for the jugular, and she didn't back down. I LOVED how the senator kept telling her that he was running out of time, when he wasted 4 of his 10 minutes in the beginning with a 4 minute self-serving diatribe. I'm listening to a lot of different radio stations, as well have checked a few news websites. Most say she did extrordiarily well.<br><br>I presume you don't like her because she works for the Bush administration.<br><br>
Posted by: alAnonymous

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 10:12 AM

That was a Sunday and I was in Detroit with family for my cousin's birthday/graduation party.<br><br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>[color:blue]NOTE: This Avatar Has Been Changed To Protect The Innocent</font color=blue>
Posted by: srumrill

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 10:15 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>That was a Sunday and I was in Detroit with family for my cousin's birthday/graduation party.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Somehow I knew you would have an answer for that question. But you get my point, I hope.<br><br>Who graduates in August, anyway?<br><br>
Posted by: alAnonymous

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 10:16 AM

It was a combo party, delayed so I could be there, and so all of her friends could meet up after the craziness of graduation, and also combining all of my family's Summer birthdays. We're efficient that way. <br><br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>[color:blue]NOTE: This Avatar Has Been Changed To Protect The Innocent</font color=blue>
Posted by: djstefan

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 10:18 AM

The way I see it she was thrown fast balls but hitting only softballs. Even then, she kep on hitting the ball in the court going to the same corner over and over again. I haven't seen her hit a homerun at all. <br><br>The only thing I would compare her to is "Homer run"<br><br><br>_________________________________________<br>You expect me to sign here or somethin?
Posted by: DaddyMac

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 10:21 AM

To be fair, something of that nature would be more memorable to you or I, considering how much less hectic our lives are compared to someone in Dr. Rice's position. That event for you could have been written in a datebook somewhere, a calendar, or in iCal for that matter.<br><br>Point is we don't work for the government, and we don't have to handle the level of crap that I'm sure these people do. <br><br>I tend to believe her when she says she can't remember, BUT there should be record of this somewhere- if she had an inkling of the line of questioning, she should have done her homework as to where she was and what went on at that moment/day/etc<br><br>[color:red]You slap my back, I'll slap yours!</font color=red>
Posted by: srumrill

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 10:22 AM

Well, I guess it's just too bad nobody asked you to be the National Security Advisor.<br><br>I don't remember what I talked to my boss about this morning, let alone 2 1/2 years ago.<br><br>I think she did well, and she knew quite a bit. That's a sharp girl there. But my guess is that you hate Bush and anybody working for him. You just want them to burn, and when they don't, if drives you nuts. So even if Ms. Rice found a cure for cancer, you would rail her for putting cancer researchers out of work.<br><br>
Posted by: sean

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 10:36 AM

so, clarke was trying to sell a book. and, how is that different from fox news trying to sell a news story or a television program -- aren't all media outlets in the business of sales? do you not trust anyone on anything ever? how is clarke trying to sell a book any different from dubya trying to sell his accomplishments for reelection? how does a book make someone less sincere or trustworthy? why didn't condi say that clarke was wrong or that clarke was not sincere or that clarke was not to be trusted why she was under oath today. the fact is that condi gave clarke much respect today and i think that speaks volumes about his testimony. <br><br>----<br>"even if we get bin Laden or Zawahiri now, it is 2 years 2 late. Al Qaeda is a very different org now. It has had time to adapt. The administration should have finished this job." Leverett, former Bush Nat値 Security Cncl staff specialist.
Posted by: alAnonymous

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 10:36 AM

That would be assuming a bit too much. I just enjoy making fun of absurdity and ignorance. See also: my name and avatars.<br><br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>[color:blue]NOTE: This Avatar Has Been Changed To Protect The Innocent</font color=blue>
Posted by: alAnonymous

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 10:39 AM

Exactly: <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>The White House tapes every recorded conversation between the President and his advisors...look at all the stuff that's been declassified in recent years. LBJ & his SecDef on Vietnam, Nixon's comments on Reagan, etc.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>It's exactly how Clarke put it. "Your government failed you" Democrats, Republicans and Naders alike. Forgiveness is ours to give but not theirs to expect. At the very least, they should ask for it.<br><br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>[color:blue]NOTE: This Avatar Has Been Changed To Protect The Innocent</font color=blue>
Posted by: sean

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 10:42 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>To be fair, something of that nature would be more memorable to you or I, considering how much less hectic our lives are compared to someone in Dr. Rice's position. That event for you could have been written in a datebook somewhere, a calendar, or in iCal for that matter.<p><hr></blockquote><p>to be fair to us, we didn't have some great tragedy happen while we were on guard...you have to imagine that rice has replayed all of those days up to 9/11 in her head over and over and over. the dubya admin claims they didn't have much time to make a difference, so surely they can remember "not much time." additionally, there is no doubt in my mind that condi has been studying every detail over and over leading up to these hearings. she knew the title of a secret memo from 8/6/01 and the details written in it as well as the implications for gosh sakes. of course she was prepared for those kinds of questions and she should be.<br><br>----<br>"even if we get bin Laden or Zawahiri now, it is 2 years 2 late. Al Qaeda is a very different org now. It has had time to adapt. The administration should have finished this job." Leverett, former Bush Nat値 Security Cncl staff specialist.
Posted by: DaddyMac

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 11:01 AM

do you not trust anyone on anything ever?<br><br>No, I thought that was *your* angle...<br><br>I'm specifically mentioning Clarke and his timing with his book...I didn't say I never trusted ANYONE... <br><br>As far as her memory goes, the part I heard in the car this morning pertained to whether or not Dr. Rice remembered having conversations *before* 9-11 about Al Qeida and Bin Laden, and whether or not she had discussed with the president or any other high-ranking officials any possible plans being made to use airliners as weapons or 'bombs', as it were. <br><br>Dr. Rice said, in effect, that she remembers no specific conversations regarding such specific Al Qeida plans, and I for one am leaning towards believing that notion.<br><br>Yes I believe there were a lot of signs and a lot of 'chatter' that pointed to an attack, but they did not signal *where* the attacks would take place and in what capacity. IMO the events of 9-11 were just so far out of our scope that it would have taken some pretty sharp (and quick) intelligence work to prevent it 100%. <br><br>Intelligence that we obviously need to improve on quite a bit.<br><br><br>[color:red]You slap my back, I'll slap yours!</font color=red>
Posted by: sean

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 11:18 AM

i trust clarke. i trusted condi's testimony under oath today as well; however, she really didn't say much today and did her best to avoid answering questions while giving long-winded responses to fill time. i have no reason to disbelieve anything clarke said under oath and condi did not say anything under oath today to make me think otherwise. did you get a different impression or are you going off of what the vice president said to rush limbaugh the day after clarke's testimony? everyone associated with clarke has only had good things to say about the man (sans the admin who currently has the most to lose...though, condi only said good things today -- under oath and the whole admin has backed away from attacking clarke these days).<br><br>as for the timing of clarke's book. you do know that he finished the book last year don't you? the white-house sat on it for 3 months before they cleared it and then clarke's publisher had the power to release it whenever the *publisher* deemed it to be the best time. obviously, they chose that timing when they did for a reason; not clarke. my guess is that they were going to wait until closer to the election to draw on the politicized atmosphere of that time, but then this 9/11 commission came along and presented the perfect timing for them. again, clarke turned the finished book in last year.<br><br>as for condi saying that she doesn't remember talking about the terrorists organization that had declared war on the US and using an airline as a bomb...those warnings were present...she is the national security advisor to the president. doesn't it concern you that she cannot remember something as grave as that?<br><br>----<br>"even if we get bin Laden or Zawahiri now, it is 2 years 2 late. Al Qaeda is a very different org now. It has had time to adapt. The administration should have finished this job." Leverett, former Bush Nat値 Security Cncl staff specialist.
Posted by: alAnonymous

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 11:32 AM

Give her a break. She was too busy playing Minesweeper or something.<br><br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>[color:blue]NOTE: This Avatar Has Been Changed To Protect The Innocent</font color=blue>
Posted by: DaddyMac

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 11:35 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>did you get a different impression or are you going off of what the vice president said to rush limbaugh the day after clarke's testimony? everyone associated with clarke has only had good things to say about the man (sans the party who currently has the most to lose...though, condi only said good things today -- under oath).<br><br>as for the timing of clarke's book. you do know that he finished the book last year don't you? the white-house sat on it for 3 months before they cleared it and then clarke's publisher had the power to release it whenever the *publisher* deemed it to be the best time. obviously, they chose that timing when they did for a reason; not clarke. my guess is that they were going to wait until closer to the election to draw on the politicized atmosphere of that time, but then this 9/11 commission came along and presented the perfect timing for them. again, clarke turned the finished book in last year.<p><hr></blockquote><p>I'm going by my own judgment based on the fact that I heard a portion of Clarke's testimony, and that I heard from another source that he had a book that had recently or was about to come out. Obviously some pundits would tie the two together, but I had my doubts before I heard anyone in the Bush administration talk bad about him.<br><br>And the fact that he was disputing his own earlier statements under oath just smells afoul to me. He had to be twisting the facts at *some* point- just not sure at which point it was. My guess is that he probably had a falling out with the Bush admin., so now he decides to take the high road. <br><br>Just saying I question his motivation for speaking out when he did.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>as for condi saying that she doesn't remember talking about the terrorists organization that had declared war on the US and using an airline as a bomb...those warnings were present...she is the national security advisor to the president. doesn't it concern you that she cannot remember something as grave as that?<br><p><hr></blockquote><p>Where did you pick that up from? I don't recall anyone contradicting her testimony when she said there were *no* warnings about planes as weapons...<br><br>Like I said, I only heard what I heard (from 9-9:45), and I didn't hear any commentary or read any articles to further influence my opinion..<br><br>[color:red]You slap my back, I'll slap yours!</font color=red>
Posted by: AfterTenSoftware

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 11:42 AM

Right it was really comforting that Clark apoligized for over 200 years of government failure. That made it all better. Of course in the age of Oprah I guess that all anyone really wants now days.<br><br>Bottom line was (if you listened to all the testomony today) that that the US was not in a domestic terriorist state of mind before 9/11.<br>There were no credible current threat reports that at that time in our nations history warrented any different reaction than what we did.<br><br>Dean Davis
Posted by: sean

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 12:14 PM

why aren't the majority of 9/11 families criticizing clarke for his apology? MSNBC had a bunch of 9/11 widows on today and one woman said that she voted for dubya and was his biggest fan, but since 9/11 he has been her biggest adversary in that he's fought everything these widows have tried to have happen with regard to the 9/11 commission. i thought that spoke volumes. anyway, they all said they appreciated the apology from clarke because they really needed to hear someone admit that the gov't wasn't doing all it could do to prevent 9/11. he didn't claim that they could have stopped 9/11, in fact, he pretty much said the opposite, but he did say that we didn't have the right priorities in place prior to 9/11. <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>There were no credible current threat reports that at that time in our nations history warrented any different reaction than what we did.<br><p><hr></blockquote><p>while this is true for the public in general, the gov't was taking things seriously enough to have a summer of spikes in terror alerts behind the scenes that are now pretty well documented. in fact, one memo even stated that osama wanted to attack on american soil. let's hope they declassify this memo. unfortunately, channels of communications broke down pretty badly during these crises. the final report is going to point fingers at everyone from the reagan admin all the way to the current admin and the various intelligence agencies as well. there will be a lot of fixes recommended. i can't wait. <br><br>----<br>"even if we get bin Laden or Zawahiri now, it is 2 years 2 late. Al Qaeda is a very different org now. It has had time to adapt. The administration should have finished this job." Leverett, former Bush Nat値 Security Cncl staff specialist.
Posted by: AfterTenSoftware

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 12:35 PM

They will declassify the memo and you'll find out it says absolutly nothing.<br><br>To paraphase but not taking anything out of context...<br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p><br>BEN-VENISTE: Isn't it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6th PDB warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB?<br><br>RICE: I believe the title was, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."<br><br>RICE: It did not warn of attacks inside the United States. It was historical information based on old reporting. There was no new threat information. And it did not, in fact, warn of any coming attacks inside the United States.<br><br>BEN-VENISTE: Well, did you not -- you have indicated here that this was some historical document. And I am asking you whether it is not the case that you learned in the PDB memo of August 6th that the FBI was saying that it had information suggesting that preparations -- not historically, but ongoing, along with these numerous full field investigations against Al Qaida cells, that preparations were being made consistent with hijackings within the United States?<br><br>RICE: The fact is that this August 6th PDB was in response to the president's questions about whether or not something might happen or something might be planned by Al Qaida inside the United States. He asked because all of the threat reporting or the threat reporting that was actionable was about the threats abroad, not about the United States.<br><br>This particular PDB had a long section on what bin Laden had wanted to do -- speculative, much of it -- in '97, '98; that he had, in fact, liked the results of the 1993 bombing.<br>It had a number of discussions of -- it had a discussion of whether or not they might use hijacking to try and free a prisoner who was being held in the United States -- Ressam. It reported that the FBI had full field investigations under way.<br><br>And we checked on the issue of whether or not there was something going on with surveillance of buildings, and we were told, I believe, that the issue was the courthouse in which this might take place.<br><br>Commissioner, this was not a warning. This was a historic memo -- historical memo prepared by the agency because the president was asking questions about what we knew<br><br>BEN-VENISTE: Now, was the president, in words or substance, alarmed or in any way motivated to take any action, such as meeting with the director of the FBI, meeting with the attorney general, as a result of receiving the information contained in the PDB?<br><br>RICE: I want to repeat that when this document was presented, it was presented as, yes, there were some frightening things -- and by the way, I was not at Crawford, but the president and I were in contact and I might have even been, though I can't remember, with him by video link during that time.<br><br>The president was told this is historical information. I'm told he was told this is historical information and there was nothing actionable in this. The president knew that the FBI was pursuing this issue. The president knew that the director of central intelligence was pursuing this issue. And there was no new threat information in this document to pursue.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Dean Davis
Posted by: DaddyMac

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 12:36 PM

I'm paraphrasing, but what Dr. Rice said in her opening statement is something I happen to wholeheartedly agree with:<br><br>As a nation we are very reactive when it comes to national defense and security. Look how long it took us to jump into WW1末 approx. 2 years AFTER the Germans sunk the Lusitania. Then we only involved ourselves in WW2 after Pearl Harbor was attacked- and if you believe what you read about the events leading up it, you'll discover we didn't do much then either about the signs of an impending attack by the Japanese...<br><br>And I'm sure if there were message boards like these back in 1941, there'd be a lot of folks who would be railing President Roosevelt for not doing more to save the lives of all those poor boys sitting in the hull of the U.S.S. Arizona to this day.<br><br>And now as we look back on 9-11, we find that we acted no differently than we did in every other situation similar to that one. Each occurrence, though, has caused our government to rethink the way we conduct our national security. <br><br>The 9-11 attack was unprecedented...I ask you, just how were we supposed to envision something of this magnitude? Every bit of evidence shows that any time planes were used in terrorist attacks in the past, it was some sort of hostage scenario where only people in danger were the ones on the plane itself.<br><br><br><br>[color:red]You slap my back, I'll slap yours!</font color=red>
Posted by: Boothby4

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 01:00 PM

I think the media is playing up the Aug 6 PDB more than anyone. Both Republican and Democrat members all calling for it's declassification. To me that means there's no smoking gun there, but the media thought they were going to see blood today, and when none appeared they had to hype something, so this brief became it.<br><br>
Posted by: sean

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 01:24 PM

and, here is John Podesta's response (Podesta served as chief of staff to President Bill Clinton). and, yes he is partisan, but the point he makes is that the said memo should be declassified because he sees the importance of the memo much differently than you do dean.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice's testimony before the 9/11 Commission today established new and important facts.<br><br>Two and a half years after 9/11, the American public learned that President Bush received a memo on August 6, 2001, entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States." It contained explicit warnings that Osama bin Laden was planning to attack the United States including what the FBI called suspicious activities "consistent with preparations for hijacking."<br><br>Yet, there was no domestic follow-up by the Bush Administration. No high level meetings. No sense of urgency.<br><br>Dr. Rice's claim today that the FBI sent warnings to field offices was directly disputed by Commissioners who said they had conducted thousands of interviews and reviewed thousands of documents.<br><br>Their conclusion: no one at the FBI can recall such orders.<br><br>In order to help clarify what the President knew and what he did in response, the White House needs to immediately declassify the August 6 briefing as requested today by all 10 members of the bipartisan Commission.<br><br>Dr. Rice claimed the Administration was waiting for more "actionable" intelligence before doing anything and that there was "no silver bullet that could have prevented the 9/11 attacks."<br><br>But given what we learned today, the Administration has no excuse for not loading the gun.<p><hr></blockquote><p>i highlighted part to show that perhaps condi was mistaken on some things today as her story differed from the thousands and thousands of other interviews that contrasted her story. <br><br>----<br>"even if we get bin Laden or Zawahiri now, it is 2 years 2 late. Al Qaeda is a very different org now. It has had time to adapt. The administration should have finished this job." Leverett, former Bush Nat値 Security Cncl staff specialist.
Posted by: DaddyMac

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 01:27 PM

Two and a half years after 9/11, the American public learned that President Bush received a memo on August 6, 2001, entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States." It contained explicit warnings that Osama bin Laden was planning to attack the United States including what the FBI called suspicious activities "consistent with preparations for hijacking."<br><br>And Rice seems to differ on the contents of this memo, based on today's testimony. Guess we're just gonna have to wait n' see what the memo DOES say...<br><br>But given what we learned today, the Administration has no excuse for not loading the gun.<br><br>Ok, thanks Captain Hindsight...<br><br>[color:red]You slap my back, I'll slap yours!</font color=red>
Posted by: djstefan

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 01:33 PM

What's shocking is that after a "legit" ellection, people still expected a "legit" war with "legit" reasons. <br>Memo or not, Bush and Co. knew all along about the sept. 11 attacks. But then again, the buildings had cracks in them from the basement explosions from before, so they had to be taken down. This way, he killed 2 ducks at once while getting a permit to keep on free shooting afterwards.<br><br>_________________________________________<br>You expect me to sign here or somethin?
Posted by: DaddyMac

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 01:35 PM

But then again, the buildings had cracks in them from the basement explosions from before, so they had to be taken down. This way, he killed 2 ducks at once while getting a permit to keep on free shooting afterwards<br><br><br><br>OMFG...I can't even begin to describe my abject horror and downright dumbfounded-ness that you actually subscribe to that theory...<br><br><br>[color:red]You slap my back, I'll slap yours!</font color=red>
Posted by: AfterTenSoftware

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 01:52 PM

This must be the part of the statement to which you refer...<br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>RICE: In this context, I want to address in some detail one of the briefing items that we did receive, since its content has been frequently mischaracterized.<br><br>On August 6, 2001, the president's intelligence briefing included a response to questions that he had earlier raised about any Al Qaida intentions to strike our homeland.<br><br>The briefing team reviewed past intelligence reporting, mostly dating from the 1990s, regarding possible Al Qaida plans to attack inside the United States. It referred to uncorroborated reporting that, from 1998, that a terrorist might attempt to hijack a U.S. aircraft in an attempt to blackmail the government into releasing U.S.-held terrorists who had participated in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.<br><br>This briefing item was not prompted by any specific threat information. And it did not raise the possibility that terrorists might use airplanes as missiles.<br><br>Despite the fact that the vast majority of the threat information we received was focused overseas, I was concerned about possible threats inside the United States.<br><br>And on July 5th, Chief of Staff Andy Card and I met with Dick Clarke, and I asked Dick to make sure that domestic agencies were aware of the heightened threat period and were taking appropriate steps to respond, even though we did not have specific threats to the homeland.<br><br>Later that same day, Clarke convened a special meeting of his CSG, as well as representatives from the FAA, the INS, Customs and the Coast Guard. At that meeting, these agencies were asked to take additional measures to increase security and surveillance.<br><br>Throughout the period of heightened threat information, we worked hard on multiple fronts to detect, protect against and disrupt any terrorist plans or operations that might lead to an attack.<br><br>RICE: For instance, the Department of Defense issued at least five urgent warnings to U.S. military forces that Al Qaida might be planning a near-term attack and placed our military forces in certain regions on heightened alert.<br><br>The State Department issued at least four urgent security advisers and public worldwide cautions on terrorist threats, enhanced security measures at certain embassies, and warned the Taliban that they would be held responsible for any Al Qaida attack on U.S. interests.<br><br>The FBI issued at least three nationwide warnings to federal, state and law enforcement agencies and specifically stated that, although the vast majority of the information indicated overseas targets, attacks against the homeland could not be ruled out.<br><br>The FBI tasked all 56 of its U.S. field offices to increase surveillance of known suspects of terrorists and to reach out to known informants who might have information on terrorist activities.<br><br>The FAA issued at least five civil aviation security information circulars to all U.S. airlines and airport security personnel, including specific warnings about the possibility of hijacking.<br><br>The CIA worked around the clock to disrupt threats worldwide. Agency officials launched a wide-ranging disruption effort against Al Qaida in more than 20 countries.<p><hr></blockquote><p>This will be interesting as this was from the prepared opening statement and each of those facts are easily checked. I would like to see where a comissioner directly refutes the truth of a direct statement like "The FBI tasked all 56 of its U.S. field offices to increase surveillance of known suspects of terrorists and to reach out to known informants who might have information on terrorist activities.".<br><br>Dean Davis
Posted by: sean

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 01:58 PM

i don't know dean. the commission releases little reports all along the way and the reports have yet to reveal that commission was told this from any representative in the FBI. perhaps condi's speechwriter is the same guy who made the stuff up about uranium in africa going to iraq??? <br><br>----<br>"even if we get bin Laden or Zawahiri now, it is 2 years 2 late. Al Qaeda is a very different org now. It has had time to adapt. The administration should have finished this job." Leverett, former Bush Nat値 Security Cncl staff specialist.
Posted by: djstefan

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 01:59 PM

Well, as you said, it is just a theory. But then again, those buildings had radars on them and missile launchers in the case of such an incident. Airplanes crashing into them was done from the first design and they were prepared every second of the day for such a catastrophy. How come the buildings seemed to be sleeping? And Bush senior and Binladen senior were in a meeting when this happened while Bush Jr. didn't seem surprised at all.<br><br>Just a theory, but all theories are based on facts. <br>To start a war, in a "free" country you need a reason. To continue a war, all you need is power.<br><br>Theories and bed-time stories are what the news make us eat and also what we know. Who knows where the real facts are? All we have is our theories.<br><br>_________________________________________<br>You expect me to sign here or somethin?
Posted by: sean

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 02:06 PM

I want to know why the second tower wasn't emptied right away. I didn't know we had all of these terror warnings that summer until recently and just figured that we really didn't know it was terrorism, but now it's becoming clear that we did know right away. many people in the second tower could have been saved. <br><br>----<br>"even if we get bin Laden or Zawahiri now, it is 2 years 2 late. Al Qaeda is a very different org now. It has had time to adapt. The administration should have finished this job." Leverett, former Bush Nat値 Security Cncl staff specialist.
Posted by: alAnonymous

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 02:15 PM

Sorry...but I have to say you're wrong. We'd been preparing for this stuff since 1994.This is the USDoD website, publishing Co... back to 1994. <br><br>Complete with reports on exercises preparing for countering domestic terrorism...analysis anticipating the acts as "when, not if".<br><br>If you want to save yourself the surfing through the library:<br><br>1997 CPCBD Congressional Annual Page ES-6 "The Domestic Preparedness Initiative"<br><br>Check out 1997. It's a real page turner. You'll find documentation on exercises/drills conducted in the House of Representatives back parking lot so they couldn't ignore the magnitude of the issue's importance.<br><br>Which they did.<br><br>If a terrorist chemical/biological attack breaks out in your neck of the woods this summer or in the future now you can at least take comfort knowing that your government HAS been informed, and warned, since 1994.<br><br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>[color:blue]NOTE: This Avatar Has Been Changed To Protect The Innocent</font color=blue>
Posted by: djstefan

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 02:29 PM

I have no idea. All I know is that those towers had some of the most high tech army arsenals in them and knew everything that was going on in the sky and on the ground. Also, since "terrorism" did it, why didn't they wait till people went to work and kill as many as possible. Specially since Islamic terrorists have a certain hate for Jewish people as well, if they would have just waited a couple more hours, the buildings would have been filled with jewish stock traders, some of the best ones too. <br>From the stories that we are basing our current war on of what happened on 911, there are lots of bits and pieces that just do not add up. Also, how did the US get to invade Iraq from the destruction of the towers by Afganistan's terrorists? <br>How come no other terrorist attacks were made since 911 on US grounds? It's not that hard? I could make a home made bomb on my own in a matter of days. It's not that hard and noone would know. How come ALL these terrorists, since there are soo many of them, are keeping soo quiet? Something is not right. <br>To me this whole war looks like a well controlled war from the same people that control what we see, know and belive. <br>Look on the $$ bill at that gorgeous glowing pyramid and you will see who are the real terrorists of this world. They are all part of that small eye watching over us.<br><br>Many people could have been saved and many remain to be, I would say there are 2/3s of this planet that will need saving. And still, we are just as blind as the minute the 1st tower was hit.<br><br>_________________________________________<br>You expect me to sign here or somethin?
Posted by: Morom

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 02:50 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I have no idea. All I know is that those towers had some of the most high tech army arsenals in them and knew everything that was going on in the sky and on the ground.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Ummm...proof? Can I get a link or something to this, or is it "top secret" information that only you had access to?<br><br>----<br>Stupidity is like nuclear power. It can be used for good or evil.... and you don't want to get any on you.
Posted by: alAnonymous

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 02:54 PM

Yeah...I was already struggling but he lost me at that point.<br><br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>[color:blue]NOTE: This Avatar Has Been Changed To Protect The Innocent</font color=blue>
Posted by: djstefan

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 03:01 PM

Only I have access to that! <br><br>It was on TV, one of the architects who worked on the buildings was explaining that. But then again, why would the US put such an arsenal on billion $ buildings which represent the whole US economy every trading day? They had designed the buildings with the idea that a plane could crash accidentally in them or by terrorist attacks. You really think terrorists were the only ones that looked at the buildings and thaught that such thing was possible? When you build in 3 dimmensions such art pieces with such an importance, ground and sattelite tracking devices are a #1 priority along with a good defense system. (And I am not talking about the 24$/month ADT system)<br><br>_________________________________________<br>You expect me to sign here or somethin?
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 03:43 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Ummm...proof? Can I get a link or something to this, or is it "top secret" information that only you had access to?<p><hr></blockquote><p>Well .. It could only handle so much. It managed to shoot down the initial wave of invisible planes, but was taken out when the hidden bombs went off in the basement. <br><br>***********<br><br>[color:blue]as long as you're ordering double entendres, make mine a large, throbbing one</font color=blue>
Posted by: Morom

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 03:57 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>It was on TV, one of the architects who worked on the buildings was explaining that.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Dare I be opening a can of worms here, but aren't you the one that lectures everyone on how the TV (media) lies and distorts the truth about everything, and yet you claim your unfallable source is the TV?<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>They had designed the buildings with the idea that a plane could crash accidentally in them or by terrorist attacks.<p><hr></blockquote><p>I would like to see the documentation/blueprints on who and how exactly they designed the buildings to specifically be hit by planes? Or maybe you have seen them? Do the blueprints have little pictures of planes showing how they would "accidently" fly into the building(s)? <br><br>----<br>Stupidity is like nuclear power. It can be used for good or evil.... and you don't want to get any on you.
Posted by: Morom

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 03:58 PM

Don't forget the army of stealth ninja's who planted the bombs...<br><br>----<br>Stupidity is like nuclear power. It can be used for good or evil.... and you don't want to get any on you.
Posted by: djstefan

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 04:00 PM

You left me with no answeres! Not because your comments were really relevant, but because it's 5pm! <br><br>_________________________________________<br>You expect me to sign here or somethin?
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 05:13 PM

Matt is just a "tow the party line" kind of guy, what else could he say?<br><br>
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 05:15 PM

Let me check my video tapes and tape recordings. I'll get back to you on this. Honest. <br><br>
Posted by: MattMac112

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 05:27 PM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Matt is just a "tow the party line" kind of guy, what else could he say?<p><hr></blockquote><p>Liberals Democrats love to castigate Republicans for "toeing the party line" all while toeing the Demcoratic party line themselves. On one hand, it's to be condemned, yet on the other hand it's a trait they proudly admire among thesleves. It's that type of jabberwocky which they can never explain. <br><br>***********<br><br>[color:blue]as long as you're ordering double entendres, make mine a large, throbbing one</font color=blue>
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: She Doesn't Remember - 04/08/04 05:32 PM

Grammar cop time out.<br><br>It's "toe the line," which is what sailors in the British navy back in days of yore had to do when they were called to order--line up so that their toes were all on a particular seam line.<br><br>Back to the game.<br><br>