Where are you following the announcement?

Posted by: John Rougeux

Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 09:27 AM

Just wondering who's watching and where.

I'll be checking these:
http://www.macdailynews.com/100127_special_event.html

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/live-from-the-apple-tablet-latest-creation-event/
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 09:46 AM

Thanks for the links!

I'll be watching those, too =)
Posted by: KateSorensen

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 09:47 AM


Me and JimD will be here at The Loop! smile



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Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 09:48 AM

there are also these sites:

http://live.gizmodo.com/

http://twitter.com/macrumors
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 10:01 AM

Me too! grin
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 10:06 AM

So far the engadget feed has the other beat hands-down ... almost like being there =)
Posted by: Antonio

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 10:09 AM

Live streaming
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 10:21 AM

Thanks. I like the audio!

iPad eh? He basically went into the main event.
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 10:24 AM

I"m listening to the audio while checking Engadget, who is keeping up!
Posted by: Antonio

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 10:24 AM

There's no Flash.
Inexcusable. Even on the iPhone, but especially bad for a tablet computer.
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 10:25 AM

It's running the iPhone OS, so I would expect something to change soon.
Posted by: Antonio

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 10:25 AM

Originally Posted By: John Rougeux
I"m listening to the audio while checking Engadget, who is keeping up!


Doing the same.
About to take a break, tho...
Posted by: Antonio

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 10:26 AM

The YouTube HD fullscreen is a nice addition.
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 10:27 AM

Apple Store is still up, so this means it won't be for sale for awhile.
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 10:28 AM

Yeah, this is a great combo =)
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 10:29 AM

IPS display? never heard of that...
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 10:30 AM

10:29AM "It's powered by our own silicon. The 1GHz Apple A4 chip. It screams."
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 10:30 AM

16-64GB flash storage
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 10:32 AM

10:30AM "What is the battery life like? We've been able to achieve 10 hours of battery life.
Posted by: Antonio

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 10:51 AM

Originally Posted By: John Rougeux
10:29AM "It's powered by our own silicon. The 1GHz Apple A4 chip. It screams."


Not a surprise- they purchased a RISC manufacturer last year.
Posted by: Antonio

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 10:54 AM

Ah, we now have streaming video...
Same link.
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 10:56 AM

yep =)

Although looking at the stills is almost better while listening to the video ....
Posted by: KateSorensen

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 10:58 AM

Originally Posted By: Antonio


That is so easy to do on ustream! No kidding. I'm all set up for it and do it on my iMac and iPhone.

This guy is sneaking this broadcast probably using his iPhone as a web cam. I use mine when at the coffee store. If he raised it higher he'd probably get kicked out of the event! smile

Check it out guys: ustream!! I posted about it here with the hummingbird. Works with the cheapest of cameras. I can take movies with my iPhone 3G too.


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Posted by: Antonio

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 10:58 AM

BTW, The Prisoner was a FANTASTIC show.
Posted by: KateSorensen

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 11:00 AM

Originally Posted By: Antonio
Originally Posted By: John Rougeux
10:29AM "It's powered by our own silicon. The 1GHz Apple A4 chip. It screams."


Not a surprise- they purchased a RISC manufacturer last year.


You can watch it on your iPhone too using ustream [viewer] which the app store has! I have ustream [broadcaster] also.


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Posted by: six_of_one

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 11:09 AM

I notice the Apple online store is still up ...
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 11:19 AM

$499
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 11:20 AM

Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 11:21 AM

Base Wi-Fi model. Impressive! I want one!
Posted by: MicMeister

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 11:24 AM

Crap-tastic...seriously. Only thing I'm impressed with it is the design, makes for a fancy surfboard, sure, but that's all.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 11:28 AM

Crap-tastic? I suppose you'd like 3 or 4 machines to do what this one does in one machine - with both Wi-Fi and 3G connectivity? It makes the Kindle and other one trick ponies look like stone tablets.
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 11:30 AM

Something that's bothering me is that they're obviously showing two different units: one looks almost square, the other looks 16x9 ...
Posted by: carp

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 11:31 AM

Humm
To me seems a 100 to much across the board - maybe if it was a phone / camera that would be something great for enterprises can do video confercing
Posted by: MicMeister

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 11:32 AM

What I mean is, I really don't see much professional use for it. Basically it's like a 10" iPod Touch. Sure, it's lighter than a laptop, but this gadget is a toy nonetheless.
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 11:36 AM

Perhaps it's shown in landscape and portrait that makes it look different?
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 11:36 AM

Give it to the next generation for the camera. But I agree...come on, they should have put an iSight in there!
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 11:37 AM

What gave you the idea that this was a professional/business productivity machine? It's a consumer device with multiple capabilities at a great price point. Personally, I don't need an iPhone - a Touch would have been nice, but this thing does so much more. I can turn my attention from a MacBook to this.
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 11:37 AM

I'm leaning towards agreeing with you....a giant iPod.
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 11:38 AM

I would look at this seriously, but I would rather spend a little more and get a laptop where I can actually use it to work with.
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 11:40 AM

I was thinking that, too -- and maybe some of the angles of the shots are kind of funky, too. It just seemed odd at times =)
Posted by: Antonio

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 11:40 AM

For the pricepoint, I'd still rather get an iLiad ebook reader.
For everything else, I carry my laptop with me about everywhere, because I need to do actual work on that device. Having an iPad in addition to my MacBook Pro seems pointless.
Posted by: carp

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 11:40 AM

Right , iSight and a speaker phone at least .

The first thing I thought is for work . I constantly have conference calls to the architects and engineers to solve problems . If the iPad was able I could take it out in the field take photos and have the conference call at the same time <-- Now that would be something .
Posted by: padmavyuha

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 11:42 AM

I'm very relieved that they've brought out some cool hardware that I don't want, for a change! It makes me feel more in control of my life smile.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 11:43 AM

For those of us without a MacBook, this is compelling. There will be more productivity apps coming, because this thing is going to sell like hotcakes.
Posted by: FSM

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 11:46 AM

price is nice, but there's just something about an actual OS where you can install Word, Dreamweaver, etc. that makes a giant Touch seem lacking. if i was looking for something for sitting on the couch and browsing online then this might be appealing to me. actually, i'd love to have one anyway . . . i just don't like the closed structure of the OS. i was really hoping for OS X.
Posted by: MicMeister

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 11:52 AM

Originally Posted By: MacBozo
What gave you the idea that this was a professional/business productivity machine? It's a consumer device with multiple capabilities at a great price point. Personally, I don't need an iPhone - a Touch would have been nice, but this thing does so much more. I can turn my attention from a MacBook to this.


Nothing gave me that idea. Just that no USB, no FW, NO multitasking...makes it rather limited even for consumer use, regardless of the Wi-Fi capability. One DJ friend of mine already stated in Facebook, that even with USB and/or FW capability, it might make for a great controller for DJ/VJ work, but as it is, it is like a giant iPod and that's it.
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 11:53 AM

I don't have a macbook either. But because (like FSM just said) it's closed, you can't store stuff like Photos to work on them like iPhoto or whatever and work on them.

Perhaps I might get one for my wife eventually to replace her iPod Touch, which has been acting up lately.
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 12:01 PM

oh yeah, that's another thing I forgot. You can't connect anything external to it, so you are limited to the space. Sure, you can sync up to iTunes...but for me what would have been nice would have the ability to connect my Compact Flash Card Reader to it and have a slideshow of pictures that I just took. (like you can do with a laptop)
Posted by: KateSorensen

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 12:07 PM

Even if Kindle went with a color screen -- this iPad makes my Kindle obsolete.

Well, not for me. I enjoy reading books on the Kindle. Doesn't matter if they're black and white. I have my iPhone to do most of the stuff you COULD do on an iPad, but really, I do not use it for a lot of other stuff than a telephone.

For me the iPhone is handy to look at some weather. Google Earth is ample enough for me to find a street or business when I am driving.

Voice Memo is handy for a quick note to remind me of something to do later.

Camera for quickie pictures.

My Kindle does not require a $14.99 or $29.99 charge to read the books I download. I don't need more storage memory for tons of books, as I archive them on Amazon/Kindle [wherever]

Games? Na! I don't even play Solitaire on my iPhone.

So, unlike with each new introduction of an updated iMac, I am not suffering any Apple Envy! At this time, the iPad does not sound like I need one. [However, {if I live long enough} who is to tell what the future iPads may acquire and entice me.] smile


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Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 12:13 PM

It's not designed to be a photo editor, nor is it designed to replace a desktop or laptop. It's a supplement/compliment.
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 12:19 PM

It's a giant iPod.

I don't know. I guess I just need to hold one and check it out. But who knows when they will have it at the Apple Store? It's not even in the online store yet.
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 12:22 PM

Well, let's think about this for a second:

It has to have the ability to get stuff on and off the drive, since at least there has to be a way of getting iWork documents on and off the machine, and those files will probably be too large to e-mail (or something). The 30-pin connector may act as that conduit -- they already have a USB power adapter; I can see where that could xfer data as well ...

Also, John, there does appear to be an SD card reader available already =)

I guess it remains to be seen how easy any of that will actually be ;-)
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 12:29 PM

I expect the update to iTunes to support the transfer of files.

I just now see what you are talking about:

iPad Camera Connection Kit
The Camera Connection Kit gives you two ways to import photos and videos from a digital camera. The Camera Connector lets you import your photos and videos to iPad using the camera’s USB cable. Or you can use the SD Card Reader to import photos and videos directly from the camera’s SD card.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 12:34 PM

And there is Bluetooth connectivity.
Posted by: carp

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 12:45 PM

iPad is now at the Apple online store with a video , not the keynote however

Anyway

There looks like there is 3 USB ports on the bottom and 3 more on one side . These are what look like (knock outs) for future USB already built into the frame but not installed yet .

So Apple will be adding features at the next refresh cycle .
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 12:48 PM

Those 3 "ports" on the bottom are speakers. and the side ones are these:



There are no USB ports on this device.
Posted by: carp

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 12:51 PM

Yep

Head Line News had their tech reviewer at the event - He got some hands on with it and basically said - Its a giant faster iTouch with some nice refinements - thats about it .
Posted by: carp

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 12:52 PM

Not yet but the die cutouts are there - check out the video

I'll try and see if I can get a photo on one of the sides ?
Posted by: carp

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 12:54 PM

Heres a shot of the bottom

Off to the right side looks like 3 slots for USB ? ? looks like it to me

Click the video
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 12:56 PM

And in the demo, they showed USB connectivity for syncing with your Mac, so there must be at least one USB port.
Posted by: carp

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 12:59 PM

Okay I took a screen grab




Those 3 off to the right looks like future USB ports ? I could be wrong . What you think
Posted by: carp

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 01:00 PM

Took a screen grab




Off to the right looks like future cutouts for USB . Maybe I am wrong ? ?
Posted by: carp

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 01:01 PM

WoW how did that post get du[plicated ? ?
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 01:03 PM

Those are the speaker grille I think =)

I believe the USB connectivity is/will be via the 30-pin connector
Posted by: carp

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 01:05 PM

I dunno

There 3 more like that at the top left corner . So yes could be speaker grill but why six in total ?
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 01:06 PM

Speaker. Scroll about 2/3 of the way down.
Posted by: carp

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 01:08 PM

Got it

Missed that page went direct to the video - Thanks

So must be like big Six said - via the 30 pin .
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 01:10 PM

From Apple's site:



I think the other things at the top left are buttons ...
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 01:10 PM

Originally Posted By: carp
I dunno

There 3 more like that at the top left corner . So yes could be speaker grill but why six in total ?


http://www.apple.com/ipad/gallery/
Posted by: Antonio

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 01:11 PM

Originally Posted By: MacBozo
It's not designed to be a photo editor, nor is it designed to replace a desktop or laptop. It's a supplement/compliment.


Which is why I disagree with your previous statement about it selling like hotcakes. I think it'll be somewhere between the Cube and an AppleTV. And for those without MacBooks, you can buy one for around $160 more than the top end model and have a machine that can do everything the iPad can do and LOTS more.

iPod Touch + Viagra = iPad
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 01:13 PM

I wonder what the black strip is at the top of the 3G model.
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 01:15 PM

3G antenna, perhaps?
Posted by: carp

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 01:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Reboot
Originally Posted By: carp
I dunno

There 3 more like that at the top left corner . So yes could be speaker grill but why six in total ?


http://www.apple.com/ipad/gallery/


Humm maybe the video was spinning to fast laugh could have swore I seen 3 at the top left laugh
Posted by: carp

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 01:38 PM

I tend to agree , I don't think it is gonna sell that well like the iPhone did just out from the gate .

I think maybe at the 2nd maybe 3rd refresh then sales will pick up .

IMO

Needs - Con

1 - front and back camera
2 - needs to be able to make conference calls or at lease via iChat video or even Vonage that type of service
3 - Ahh what protects the screen , most netBooks are clam shell ?
4 - No heavy lifting apps - but thats not what Apples intention was to begin with
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 01:43 PM

It isn't intended to be a phone. A built-in iSight would be nice, though. No heavy lifting apps? Not yet, but the iWork apps aren't that light weight. There will be more productivity apps developed.
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 01:47 PM

Quote:
No heavy lifting apps? Not yet, but the iWork apps aren't that light weight. There will be more productivity apps developed.


If they get Office apps/compatibility on this thing, that alone will make it the "productivity" tool of choice for a lot of people ...
Posted by: carp

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 01:52 PM

Originally Posted By: MacBozo
It isn't intended to be a phone. A built-in iSight would be nice, though. No heavy lifting apps? Not yet, but the iWork apps aren't that light weight. There will be more productivity apps developed.


You could always go cloud base apps like Google - Just not sure if thats a pain to translate to say your main app on a desktop ?

Yes no phone and that , I believe Apple would provide that after customer request . Maybe 3rd refresh ? I don't think if Apple did do a phone thingy , I don't think it would have cut into iPhone sales ? ?
Posted by: carp

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 02:08 PM

Originally Posted By: six_of_one
Quote:
No heavy lifting apps? Not yet, but the iWork apps aren't that light weight. There will be more productivity apps developed.


If they get Office apps/compatibility on this thing, that alone will make it the "productivity" tool of choice for a lot of people ...


Yep
Heres the usual thing I did at work

We used a (Palm Pilot) that had custom written software .
I go out and click off all the tasked that was done .
I go out and click off task that needs correction .
I go back to my office and launch the custom program on my desk top
I go back to the (palm) and launch that program

I then click to (sync) and pray like h3ll .
I then click through the desktop program to make sure it all synced without errors

Now if this iPad could do all that in the (field) - would save me a few hours everyday
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 02:17 PM

If it syncs via wi-fi or 3G to your Mac at home/office, then it's a winner.
Posted by: carp

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 02:21 PM

No that was Palm and Dell -via- Palm cradle

Would have been nice to just click send while out in the field and be done with it - as opposed to have to go back and REPEAT the whole dang thing in the office .
Posted by: zwei

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 03:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Antonio
There's no Flash.
Inexcusable. Even on the iPhone, but especially bad for a tablet computer.

I don't see Apple budging on this at all …and that would make me perfectly happy. Apple doesn't want anything on their iProducts that it has no control over.
Posted by: carp

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 04:42 PM

Originally Posted By: zwei
Originally Posted By: Antonio
There's no Flash.
Inexcusable. Even on the iPhone, but especially bad for a tablet computer.

I don't see Apple budging on this at all …and that would make me perfectly happy. Apple doesn't want anything on their iProducts that it has no control over.


Your right

Just not sure why Apple seems to stiff arm FLASH ? ?

I am wondering on that license agreements - I mean you add them all up could mean a 2,000 product ? ? instead of a 499 one ?
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 04:44 PM

Originally Posted By: zwei
Originally Posted By: Antonio
There's no Flash.
Inexcusable. Even on the iPhone, but especially bad for a tablet computer.

I don't see Apple budging on this at all …and that would make me perfectly happy. Apple doesn't want anything on their iProducts that it has no control over.
Probably a security risk too? Or just control freaks. Or maybe they're anticipating this and don't see the need to waste the time developing Flash for the tablet OS. Just my speculation.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 04:46 PM

Yep, Flash will probably become irrelevant.
Posted by: carp

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 04:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Reboot
Originally Posted By: zwei
Originally Posted By: Antonio
There's no Flash.
Inexcusable. Even on the iPhone, but especially bad for a tablet computer.

I don't see Apple budging on this at all …and that would make me perfectly happy. Apple doesn't want anything on their iProducts that it has no control over.
Probably a security risk too? Or just control freaks. Or maybe they're anticipating this and don't see the need to waste the time developing Flash for the tablet OS. Just my speculation.


Ahh - ohhh - ahh

Just seems like when Apple trys these new data thingys - They lose

Maybe now since Apple does have a greater user base - just maybe but a long shot .
If MicroSoft don't get on board just call it a dead duck . Like all the others .
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 04:58 PM

Umm, HTML5 support is already available in FF 3.5 and 3.6. It's going to be an international standard for web browsing - it's not an Apple technology.
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 05:04 PM

Originally Posted By: carp
Ahh - ohhh - ahh

Just seems like when Apple trys these new data thingys - They lose.
You obviously didn't read the link if you think it's an Apple technology.

Why do I post these links. No one reads them. crazy laugh

Gotcha. wink
Posted by: carp

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 05:06 PM

Ohh I have read them

Wheres FW going these days ? more like USB 2.0
Well thats an Intel thingy not so much MS
Posted by: Ben Dover

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 05:12 PM

I hope sure hope so. Lotsa load and resource hogs are dinosaurs, or else HD Flash needs to offload to a GPU (doesn't play with where mobile, much less architecture, is heading), or the mobile CPUs have to get way way way more buffed as they suck less power getting there (doesn't play with keeping pace with power or price/commoditization) - Flash is like those gazillion road pizza desert jackrabbits whose gummy carcasses want to fishtail your highspeed ride off the highway - Flash is over with and should die and get out of the way.

Ed
Posted by: carp

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 05:24 PM

Yep

Its now Silver Lite , which is MS
Flash is a dead dog , so is Apples QT
Posted by: Ben Dover

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 05:35 PM

Down the line I think Apple has a game-changer, because they can smile I think the universe wants this to get over, because a lot of universes need it. Publishing certainly does - Newsday (which cost 650M to buy, certainly needs it, for they got a lousy 35 frigging subscribers over the past three months when they put up a pay wall smile . Google of course wins with anything that increases TCP/IP traffic. A lot of people win.

85% of print is erroneous and 99% of the internet is erroneous, and the internet is abyssmal because it's cheap or free to publish garbage, and everybody and their dog is enthusiastic to verify to the world how stupid they are smile . So, the iPad is a narcissist's wet dream, with a lot better killer interface to a CMF/CMS/scraper/blogger (or just 'comment' your stupidity) whatever front end, than a puny smartphone or a clutzy netbook whose friggin lid ya gotta flip up to spin up a head-crashable HDD from sleep (although most goons probably aren't aware of the headcrash susceptibility, but the wait time is a PITA).

So, whether you upload junk to download, or just download junk, the iPad seems a narcissist's wet dream.

The only thing that sucks, but I think the light of day will be seen, and Flash will die.

Ed

I don't really know about this thing, but I'd want real apps. Everything else I can do on the cloud (for mobile stuff), except for I'd like an outliner. Apple really hasn't gotten with the cloud, and really this is the ticket for them to get into the game that is going to be the big show. They really need cloud apps and maybe (not necessarily, with storage space) have it locally cache for offlining/whatever). Apps, they need killer apps, and not these toy jackoff things like on the iPhone - Lack of apps is what killed tablets all this time - They need apps, and they know how to do online apps. And it's in line with their money grubbing. It's about apps - Linux rules servers, but it'll never grab the desktop because it's not a real profitable business case to develop commercial apps for a constantly moving target - Apps is part of the iPhone success - It's about apps - It's always been about software.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 05:44 PM

I wonder if the embedded video in the NY Times demo are HTML5.
Posted by: DLC

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 06:22 PM

I watched it on Reuters.com and they had interesting comments throughout.

they were disappointed in several things, and raved about others.

mixed bag, but the bottom line mostly positive.

Posted by: zwei

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 06:38 PM

Flash not only drains batteries and likely causes more crashes than any other plugin, but as Reboot pointed out, it's a security risk as well. Since Apple doesn't have the source code they would need to rely on Adobe for patches. Not good.

Seeing youtube already starting to support HTML5 video is beautiful. I think Vimeo is doing the same thing. Keep up the good fight Apple!
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/27/10 06:57 PM

Originally Posted By: carp
Ohh I have read them

Wheres FW going these days ? more like USB 2.0
If you read it I don't get why you use that as a comparison. Apple has nothing to do with HTML5, not like FW was their baby. Comparing HTML5 to FW is Apples to Oranges. smirk

I'm just speculating that Jobs sees the future of the internet, and it doesn't appear to be Flash etc, it's more towards standardized media content rather than the potpourri there is now. That's why Apple and Google are a couple of the major promoters, they have nothing to do with the technology development though on this. It's not just a passing fad, it's the way to standardized web content. It would be nice not to have to install this or install that to have online media work correctly.
Posted by: padmavyuha

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/28/10 12:56 AM

This isn't exactly off-topic (since we were led to expect it in this keynote) but... where's the promised iPhone OSv4 announcement??
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/28/10 06:00 AM

How can a rumor be a promise?

You were led to expect this in the keynote by rumors, not by Apple.
Posted by: padmavyuha

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/28/10 09:47 AM

Sure, but I haven't fulfilled my 'whining mac fanboi' quota for this quarter, so I felt obliged to comment on the lack of hearing something in the keynote that's actually relevant to me personally, y'dig? wink
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/28/10 12:09 PM

Well it's an ipady, of course it relevant to you. grin
Posted by: padmavyuha

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/28/10 12:13 PM

Yeah, yeah, I've been rising above that one. See, if they *had* called it the iPadme, they'd have got the strong woman/Star Wars geek market sewn up - though they might have found themselves in copyright battles with Lucasfilms - or with Lotus for that matter.
Posted by: carp

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/28/10 12:15 PM

I was not comparing FW to HTML5 at all - not even close

I was pointing out that Apple adopts these ports , that seems no one else really wants to adopt . Hence FW seems to be fading away and I am seeing less and less of QT web content as well .
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/28/10 12:20 PM

I'm waiting for Apple to change the mac pro's name to iPro
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/28/10 12:41 PM

Originally Posted By: carp
I was not comparing FW to HTML5 at all - not even close

I was pointing out that Apple adopts these ports , that seems no one else really wants to adopt . Hence FW seems to be fading away and I am seeing less and less of QT web content as well .
Sigh. I'll try it another way. Firewire was Apple's invention, HTML5 wasn't. I don't see what FW has to do with this at all. FW is a physical port on a computer, a method of I/O. It is still used on video cameras with different names such as IEEE 1394 and iLink.

HTML5 is a programming language being developed by a lot of people, and not started by Apple, also it's not a hardware technology, plus they are smart enough to know it's the upcoming thing in internet and not just a fad,

You're comparing Apple's to Oranges, plus FW has been adopted industry wide, especially in video, so you're wrong about that. Every video processing customer I have uses FW heavily. It is used as the output on low and high end video equipment, so it's a technology that was adopted industry-wide.

I still don't see what FW has to do with HTML5 at all, but you'll never admit you're wrong so I'm done with this.
Posted by: carp

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/28/10 01:45 PM

I see where the confusion is coming - no arguments here

Your responding to this
Quote:
Ahh - ohhh - ahh

Just seems like when Apple trys these new data thingys - They lose

Maybe now since Apple does have a greater user base - just maybe but a long shot .
If MicroSoft don't get on board just call it a dead duck . Like all the others .


1 - I never said Apple created it
2 - If MS does not get on board , its a dead duck .

I am going with MS strong arming its own tech for the benefit of their 95% of user base , in this case Silver lite over HTML5

As for FW Apple dropped it off the MacBook line , still there with the Pros , iMac and Mini - Seems to me more are going with USB 2.0 and the eventual 3.0 when ever that comes out - Hence It think its going to fade away .

Dell oddly makes no mention of ports of any kind , maybe I did not find it ? Interesting
HP has FW ports on their high end laptops which they call IEEE 1934 , HDMI . The lower end laptops they use the term additional ports <-- sounds to me optional only because the FW is lopped in with the number of USB ports not punched out into a different line item .

Anyway - just my opinion
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/28/10 02:01 PM

The only way M$ can screw up HTML5 is to bastardize it like they did with JAVA - and eventually lost.
Posted by: carp

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/28/10 02:12 PM

Originally Posted By: MacBozo
The only way M$ can screw up HTML5 is to bastardize it like they did with JAVA - and eventually lost.


Yep
And I won't be surprised either if that happened
Posted by: Antonio

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/28/10 04:09 PM

Originally Posted By: MacBozo
Yep, Flash will probably become irrelevant.


Sorry I'm replying to this after what... 7 pages or so?

The chances of Flash and actionscript becoming irrelevant are nil and zero. There's a lot of primetime animation done in Flash. So long as it's being done as much as it is on the TV, you'll see it on the web, too. It needs to be on the iPad.
Posted by: yoyo52

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/28/10 04:17 PM

Is that an Irish joke, Reboot? wink
Posted by: zwei

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/28/10 04:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Antonio
Originally Posted By: MacBozo
Yep, Flash will probably become irrelevant.


Sorry I'm replying to this after what... 7 pages or so?

The chances of Flash and actionscript becoming irrelevant are nil and zero. There's a lot of primetime animation done in Flash. So long as it's being done as much as it is on the TV, you'll see it on the web, too. It needs to be on the iPad.

Flash has it's place …but not in video distribution (where the majority of Flash on the web is used)

Just a note …Adobe has created their own Flash to iPhone conversion kit. They have the power to take all those wonderful games and export them out as apps for the iPhone. THAT is going to be the way these Games, etc. get on the iPhone …I really don't think you'll see Flash as a Safari plugin.
Posted by: Antonio

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/28/10 09:32 PM

Originally Posted By: zwei
Originally Posted By: Antonio
Originally Posted By: MacBozo
Yep, Flash will probably become irrelevant.


Sorry I'm replying to this after what... 7 pages or so?

The chances of Flash and actionscript becoming irrelevant are nil and zero. There's a lot of primetime animation done in Flash. So long as it's being done as much as it is on the TV, you'll see it on the web, too. It needs to be on the iPad.

Flash has it's place …but not in video distribution (where the majority of Flash on the web is used)

Just a note …Adobe has created their own Flash to iPhone conversion kit. They have the power to take all those wonderful games and export them out as apps for the iPhone. THAT is going to be the way these Games, etc. get on the iPhone …I really don't think you'll see Flash as a Safari plugin.


Flash has a VERY solid place in web video. The view you're touting is pretty much the same as what people used to say about javascript (and coincidentally, actionscript, the scripting language of Flash, is part of the same ECMAScripting standard as javascript), and is generally perpetuated by people who abuse it (again, same as javascript). To state that it has no place in web video is gross absolutism and just plain incorrect.

Again, the iPad needs Flash. And it isn't about Flash. It isn't about security. It isn't about resource usage. It's about Apple. Apple won't add it, because they want consumers to buy content through them, and support their formats. Developers will port Flash content and games only because they're forced to. This will result in a lot of content being available in Flash that isn't available for Apple devices, and puts an unfair strain on those developers.
Posted by: zwei

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/28/10 09:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Antonio
Originally Posted By: zwei
Flash has it's place …but not in video distribution (where the majority of Flash on the web is used)

Just a note …Adobe has created their own Flash to iPhone conversion kit. They have the power to take all those wonderful games and export them out as apps for the iPhone. THAT is going to be the way these Games, etc. get on the iPhone …I really don't think you'll see Flash as a Safari plugin.


Flash has a VERY solid place in web video. The view you're touting is pretty much the same as what people used to say about javascript (and coincidentally, actionscript, the scripting language of Flash, is part of the same ECMAScripting standard as javascript), and is generally perpetuated by people who abuse it (again, same as javascript). To state that it has no place in web video is gross absolutism and just plain wrong.

Why do you think we need to wrap video in Flash? (other than DRM?) It's unbelievably inefficient on the Mac side. I can't watch hulu anywhere close to fullscreen on my C2D iMac because it chokes …that's pathetic (actually I watch hulu fullscreen on my iMac by leaving the hulu window native size and then zooming in via OS X's screen magnification crazy) I'll take the Netflix/silverlight experience any day over Flash …it really is that bad.

…and it's a security risk on top of everything else.

HUGE props to google and vimeo for moving towards HTML5.
Posted by: zwei

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/28/10 10:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Antonio
Again, the iPad needs Flash. And it isn't about Flash. It isn't about security. It isn't about resource usage. It's about Apple. Apple won't add it, because they want consumers to buy content through them, and support their formats. Developers will port Flash content and games only because they're forced to. This will result in a lot of content being available in Flash that isn't available for Apple devices, and puts an unfair strain on those developers.

If you think it's mostly about making money from the app store, I think you are mistaken. It's about having full control over their product's stability, security, and overall user experience. The app store is just one of the many reasons they don't want it on their products.
Posted by: Antonio

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 08:58 AM

I don't understand how you're having issues with Hulu in fullscreen on your iMac, when it performs just fine on my 2+ years-old MacBook Pro, and the security issues are WAY overblown. Again, most of the reasoning you've listed is rooted more in heresay, and less in truth.
Posted by: zwei

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 10:19 AM

Originally Posted By: Antonio
I don't understand how you're having issues with Hulu in fullscreen on your iMac, when it performs just fine on my 2+ years-old MacBook Pro, and the security issues are WAY overblown. Again, most of the reasoning you've listed is rooted more in heresay, and less in truth.

My iMac is 3 years old now …it's a 2.16ghz C2D. It is the 24" model with a resolution of 1920x1200. What are the specs for you MBP and are you running Snow Leopard?

Flash being proprietary is not heresay. Apple doesn't want anything on the iPhone/iPod that they can't fix or optimize themselves.
Posted by: Antonio

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 10:31 AM

2.2Ghz, 4Gb of RAM, and, yes, Snow Leopard. I can't recall having any issues on Leopard, either.

The fact that Flash is owned by Adobe has nothing to do with what we've been discussing, so I couldn't care less if it were heresay or not. That said, I'm sure, if they wanted to, they could work something out with Adobe. It wouldn't be the first time, and Adobe would probably be all for it. Of course, it's probably not going to happen (Apple, wanting control? Well, duh), but Apple has surprised me before. Hell, Apple already releases its own implementation of Java for OS X, and despite it always being a bit behind Sun's, it's pretty damn good (better, in some ways) imho.

Look, if you're happy with the iPad the way it is, fine. More power to you. It's a big industry with lots of choices, so everyone will eventually find theirs. Just don't try to convince the rest of us with reasons lacking logic, or sweeping statements about a platform or language suddenly becoming irrelevant, because we know better and aren't buying it.
Posted by: zwei

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 10:48 AM

What is your screen res?

Hey, I'm not happy that a lot of web pages are going to have big blue plugin icons littered throughout either …I just realize that the sooner HTML5 video is commonplace the better for all of us. The pain is worth the gain. (at least to me)

My reasons aren't lacking logic. I'm looking at this from Apple's point of view, not from the perspective of someone who loves Flash games.
Posted by: Antonio

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 10:56 AM

Originally Posted By: zwei
What is your screen res?

Hey, I'm not happy that a lot of web pages are going to have big blue plugin icons littered throughout either …I just realize that the sooner HTML5 video is commonplace the better for all of us. The pain is worth the gain. (at least to me)

My reasons aren't lacking logic. I'm looking at this from Apple's point of view, not from the perspective of someone who loves Flash games.


Who said I love Flash games? I own and play two. I will say, however, there's more interactive content on the web than just games, for which Flash is well-suited. I'm looking at this from the perspective of a web developer- not necessarily a Flash developer (though actionscript is on my list of things to learn this year), but one who understands Flash's place on the web, and is responding to a pretty blunt statement you made. As for your stance on Apple, we know this already. While I don't expect Apple will change it in the near future, I think it's flawed. I'll add that I also think HTML 5 video is a good thing, but it's not going to be a catch-all, anymore than any other offering, and HTML 5 is still a few years off. As such, those parts of it which may already be working are still going to be adopted slowly.
Posted by: zwei

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 11:31 AM

I said above that Flash has it's place on the Web. One instance I can think of is mint.com. They've got some really nice stuff there. They've also got a dedicated iPhone app so iPhone users aren't left out in the cold.

The only areas where I think Flash should die is Video (at least non-DRM video) and advertisements. Unfortunately for Flash that's the majority of what it's used for.

If Flash for Mac didn't suck so bad, I really think we wouldn't be having this conversation. The fact that it uses up so much CPU and crashes so often makes me hate it, period. I'm biased. If Adobe fixed it, I really could see myself changing my mind about the whole thing.

PC users looking to buy an iPad are much less likely to understand why Flash isn't on the thing because it's always run perfectly fine for them. Mac and Linux users have a better chance of seeing the big picture.
Posted by: MicMeister

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 12:41 PM

Actually, in my experience, Flash for Mac sucks eggs and balls on Safari and it is dog slow...not so much on Firefox, Opera seems to play nice, too. Flash is a resource hog nevertheless. Won't take long ever for the fan on my macbook to start making noise, but haven't had a crash so far.

OTOH, as a web designer, I dislike the overuse of Flash in general, although I do like its capabilities. Just that too many times I see things done in Flash when the same functionality could be perfectly achieved with just XHTML+CSS, maybe some Javascript on the side.
Posted by: Antonio

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 12:47 PM

Originally Posted By: MicMeister
Actually, in my experience, Flash for Mac sucks eggs and balls on Safari and it is dog slow...not so much on Firefox, Opera seems to play nice, too. Flash is a resource hog nevertheless. Won't take long ever for the fan on my macbook to start making noise, but haven't had a crash so far.

OTOH, as a web designer, I dislike the overuse of Flash in general, although I do like its capabilities. Just that too many times I see things done in Flash when the same functionality could be perfectly achieved with just XHTML+CSS, maybe some Javascript on the side.


I think that sums it up pretty well, especially in relation to what I've mentioned- its abuse. There seem to be a collection of developers who do nothing but Flash, so they use it everywhere it shouldn't be used, because they're either lazy or unskilled in other areas. As far as being a resource hog, well, so are javascript and AJAX, when used for many of the same applications. I do think it could be improved if Apple did something with it, as they did with Java.
Posted by: zwei

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 12:59 PM

I will try Flash within Firefox and see if I can get it to go fullscreen without stuttering.
Posted by: Antonio

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 01:24 PM

BTW, Firefox is a resource hog, too.
I use it, however, for its extendability.
Posted by: zwei

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 01:29 PM

Just saw this on daringfireball …never even thought about this.

"And as for Flash games, isn’t it utterly obvious that existing Flash games, which work via keyboard and mouse, wouldn’t work at all on devices which lack both keyboard and mouse?"
Posted by: Antonio

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 01:59 PM

Meh. Not all of them work via keyboard, especially through a web browser- and I think common reasoning leaves the mouse to touchscreen input. Actually, either could be replaced with touchscreen input. But, again, games are only part of the equation.
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 02:48 PM

Originally Posted By: zwei
I can't watch hulu anywhere close to fullscreen on my C2D iMac because it chokes …that's pathetic (actually I watch hulu fullscreen on my iMac by leaving the hulu window native size and then zooming in via OS X's screen magnification crazy) I'll take the Netflix/silverlight experience any day over Flash …it really is that bad.


Wonder if something else is going on? I'm running hulu on my iMac (bought Jan. 2009) full screen with no problems. Which video card do you have? I have the 512MB nVidia



No stutters here. Granted, it's not like HDTV, but good enough for me.


Click for full size
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 02:54 PM

No trouble with Hulu on my MacMini 2.0 GHz, GMA950, 2 GB RAM at full screen.
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 03:13 PM

No problem with Hulu here on my 2009 Quad Mac Pro with 6 gigs o' ram and a Radeon 4870.

Boo-yah!
grin



Sorry.. had to throw that out there.....
Posted by: Antonio

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 03:14 PM

Originally Posted By: NucleusG4
No problem with Hulu here on my 2009 Quad Mac Pro with 6 gigs o' ram and a Radeon 4870.

Boo-yah!
grin



Sorry.. had to throw that out there.....


Shaddup!
wink
Posted by: zwei

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 03:24 PM

John, your machine is not only faster in clock speed, but it's got a newer chip architecture as well. (assuming it's a 24" iMac). I bought my iMac in Oct of '06 smile The video card is an nVidia 7600GT. (although I don't think it's using any of the GPU)

How big of a screen is attached to that Mini? (pixels) …I'm at 1920 x 1200

Firefox stutters as well.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 03:28 PM

19" wide screen @ 1440x900 native. My wife's Mini (1.66 GHz, 1 GB RAM) Drives our 32" 1080p TV via the DVI/HDMI cable without problem, too. cool
Posted by: Antonio

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 03:28 PM

BTW, I'm at native screen res (1440x900), and have a GeForce 8600M GT with 128mb of VRAM. Connected to my 24" external monitor at 1900x1200, I don't experience any issues, either.
Posted by: FSM

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 04:00 PM

i can't even watch a youtube video on my Macbook without it stuttering during just about every video i watch.


Click for full size - Uploaded with plasq's Skitch

that being said, my wife and i build educational software for students with disabilities. all of our software is built using Flash, so i hope it's not going away. we embed a lot of video, but there is much interactivity in the software as well. i assume some Flash based video will shift to HTML 5, but i suspect Flash is here to stay for quite a while and it's certainly crummy it's not on the iPad. the processor on the iPad should be capable and they should be able to give the machine the right amount of RAM to keep it happy.

i just don't think the iPad can be used to replace a laptop or computer. i think people who try are going to be sorely disappointed.
Posted by: Antonio

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 04:04 PM

Well, they sort of teased netbooks in the presentation, but it doesn't replace them- it's not even in the same market. Flash is going to go through an evolution similar to JavaScript and AJAX... well, it already is, in many ways.

I'd be interested to know why you're unable to get decent YouTube viewing on your machine...
Posted by: zwei

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 04:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Antonio
BTW, I'm at native screen res (1440x900), and have a GeForce 8600M GT with 128mb of VRAM. Connected to my 24" external monitor at 1900x1200, I don't experience any issues, either.

This is as big as I can get it before I start noticing the stutter. (the window is 1600x950 pixels)
Notice my CPU pegged in the menubar.

Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 04:04 PM

Originally Posted By: FSM
i just don't think the iPad can be used to replace a laptop or computer. i think people who try are going to be sorely disappointed.
That is not the market that it is designed to compete in. It's a complimentary device to a full fledged computer. For those of us who want to wander around the house and surf wirelessly at a great price, it fits the bill.
Posted by: zwei

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 04:19 PM

for a CPU comparison… (note that the video on hulu is only 480p at best)

h.264 at full 1080p (60-70% CPU)



h.264 at 720p (scaled to fullscreen) (50% CPU)


Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 04:44 PM

Zwei, why aren't you using Hulu's app to watch TV?

http://www.hulu.com/labs/hulu-desktop

See if that helps.
Posted by: scottyb

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 04:56 PM

I'm curious, what does Activity Monitor say is using all that CPU?
Posted by: zwei

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 05:52 PM

Originally Posted By: scottyb
I'm curious, what does Activity Monitor say is using all that CPU?

Webkit Plugin
Posted by: zwei

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 05:53 PM

Originally Posted By: John Rougeux
Zwei, why aren't you using Hulu's app to watch TV?

http://www.hulu.com/labs/hulu-desktop

See if that helps.

It seems to be a little better …anyone know if it is compatible with the new beta version of Flash? I may download that to see if it helps.
Posted by: scottyb

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 06:26 PM

Strange, when I watch Hulu like that, my WebKitPluginAgent is at 0.0% CPU. The Flash Player (Safari Internet plug-in) is the obvious hog, running @ 133% shocked
Posted by: FSM

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/29/10 06:28 PM

Originally Posted By: MacBozo
Originally Posted By: FSM
i just don't think the iPad can be used to replace a laptop or computer. i think people who try are going to be sorely disappointed.
That is not the market that it is designed to compete in. It's a complimentary device to a full fledged computer. For those of us who want to wander around the house and surf wirelessly at a great price, it fits the bill.
perhaps you know that, but there are other people who wanted to replace an old iBook or Macbook who think this can be that replacement. when it was announced i was giving a presentation to faculty at my U and there was an IT person there. she saw me looking up the Apple announcement after the session and came up to see what it was. we sat and read the Engadget updates and she said her girlfriend was waiting to see what was announced because she needed to replace her old laptop. perhaps they'll figure this out, but i think there will be a lot of people hoping to take the cheap way out and then finding out later that they can't do some of the things they'd hoped they could do (e.g., i suspect that even photo editing will be crummy on the iPad).
Posted by: Ben Dover

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/30/10 09:16 AM

You would think they'd offload to the GPU, or else multiple industries might start seeing/framing this as Flash loses them money, since it costs nettop HTPC and netbook sales (a dual core Atom with Ion should be fine, but it isn't), thereby directly bringing down quantity of downloads, therefore shakes down to bringing down bandwidth usage, i.e., Flash brings down three industries, hardware, content brokers and bandwidth providers, it costs them money through lost/unrealized opportunities. With these guys, it's about business, and Flash aint lookin too good for business. Course, they might not see/frame it that way, but that's just a matter of perception, and perceptions can change overnight.

Ed
Posted by: zwei

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/30/10 09:39 AM

Originally Posted By: FSM
Originally Posted By: MacBozo
Originally Posted By: FSM
i just don't think the iPad can be used to replace a laptop or computer. i think people who try are going to be sorely disappointed.
That is not the market that it is designed to compete in. It's a complimentary device to a full fledged computer. For those of us who want to wander around the house and surf wirelessly at a great price, it fits the bill.
perhaps you know that, but there are other people who wanted to replace an old iBook or Macbook who think this can be that replacement. when it was announced i was giving a presentation to faculty at my U and there was an IT person there. she saw me looking up the Apple announcement after the session and came up to see what it was. we sat and read the Engadget updates and she said her girlfriend was waiting to see what was announced because she needed to replace her old laptop. perhaps they'll figure this out, but i think there will be a lot of people hoping to take the cheap way out and then finding out later that they can't do some of the things they'd hoped they could do (e.g., i suspect that even photo editing will be crummy on the iPad).

actually, in my case, it likely will be replacing an old iBook G4. That machine is used for email and web only …but it's used every day. This will become the everyday couch computer for us.
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/30/10 10:59 AM

Really odd Zach. Michael's Mini specs are less than yours overall. The machine specs are close, bus speed the same, but his graphics card is even less than yours. His is integrated 64M, yours is the 128M 7300 Nvidia which is dedicated I think? You have a 7200 RPM HD too. All around you have a faster machine.

I'm sure you tried but do you close all other browser windows and applications and it's still jumpy?

Sean, same for you, you shouldn't be having a problem.

Posted by: zwei

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/30/10 11:45 AM

Originally Posted By: Reboot
Really odd Zach. Michael's Mini specs are less than yours overall. The machine specs are close, bus speed the same, but his graphics card is even less than yours. His is integrated 64M, yours is the 128M 7300 Nvidia which is dedicated I think? You have a 7200 RPM HD too. All around you have a faster machine.

I'm sure you tried but do you close all other browser windows and applications and it's still jumpy?

Sean, same for you, you shouldn't be having a problem.


The GPU doesn't have much to do with it as far as I know. I'm pretty sure it's 100% CPU related. Also, he said the 19" monitor he was using had a res of 1440x900 …the screenshot I posted above where I first started noticing jitter was at a res of ~1600x950. So if I was using a lower res it should do as good or better than Michael's mini.
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/30/10 12:04 PM

Originally Posted By: zwei
Also, he said the 19" monitor he was using had a res of 1440x900 …the screenshot I posted above where I first started noticing jitter was at a res of ~1600x950. So if I was using a lower res it should do as good or better than Michael's mini.
Ahh, gotcha. I see now.
Posted by: zwei

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/30/10 12:18 PM

For now, I'm content just zooming into the image until it fills the screen. The picture doesn't look any worse to me that way, and my CPU meter only shows ~50% usage.

I also updated to the brand new 10.1 beta and things are still choppy. I'm pretty much destined to be pissed at flash wink

Only other option is to boot into Windows where Adobe actually gives a damn.

Nah …I'd rather hate the Mac version instead. laugh
Posted by: carp

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/30/10 12:59 PM

Quote:
Only other option is to boot into Windows where Adobe actually gives a damn.


Oddly in the early days Adobe at one time was Mac only , so was Quark . I guess they thought the Mac was dead and since been giving the stiff arm laugh
Posted by: zwei

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/30/10 01:11 PM

Originally Posted By: carp
Quote:
Only other option is to boot into Windows where Adobe actually gives a damn.


Oddly in the early days Adobe at one time was Mac only , so was Quark . I guess they thought the Mac was dead and since been giving the stiff arm laugh

Don't get me started on how horrible Acrobat Pro is on the Mac side...
Posted by: Antonio

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/30/10 06:34 PM

Originally Posted By: John Rougeux
Zwei, why aren't you using Hulu's app to watch TV?

http://www.hulu.com/labs/hulu-desktop

See if that helps.


Hey! Thanks! I didn't even know that existed...
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/30/10 06:53 PM

Welcome
Posted by: zwei

Re: Where are you following the announcement? - 01/30/10 07:23 PM

Oh, to answer you question of why I wasn't using the app. I've got a PC program called PlayOn that allows me to stream hulu to my PS3. That's how I usually watch it.