WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern

Posted by: John Rougeux

WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 03:41 AM

So, who's going to follow this today?
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 07:11 AM

I'll be checking on it.
Posted by: zwei

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 07:22 AM

Will be watching at MacrumorsLive.

I hear Steve Jobs will be opening the show by doing a summersault pass across the stage.
Posted by: Mike

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 08:13 AM

I don't believe Steve will appear at all.
Schiller will be there for the keynote.
Posted by: FSM

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 08:16 AM

Jobs was supposed to be back around June. i bet he'll be part of the surprise of the day.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 08:18 AM

laugh That should give the stock a jolt!

I hope that Snow Leopard is not rushed out the door just to be ahead of W7.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 08:20 AM

They'll roll him out on a gurney with a kool-aid drip. laugh
Posted by: MacBozo

One more thing - 06/08/09 08:22 AM

He'll get up and proclaim himself completely healed.
Posted by: FSM

Re: One more thing - 06/08/09 08:39 AM

i guess i am following on the engadget site. they aren't as rah-rah as a Mac site . . . not that there is anything wrong with rah-rah. ;~)
Posted by: MicMeister

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 08:57 AM

I'll be following it and I'm very interested to see if the unibody MacBook gets an upgrade, as I'm waiting for one to be shipped, which I ordered last week. With my luck, they'll bump it up a bit.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 09:55 AM

Where's yoyo with his OMG thread? wink
Posted by: FSM

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 10:16 AM

my wife is due a new laptop at work. i told her to wait. she likes the size of the Macbook, but wanted a Pro . . . today the 13" Pro was released. too cool.

EDIT: oh, she just informed me she likes the 15". well, it was updated too.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 10:19 AM

The entire notebook line is pdated.
Posted by: MicMeister

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 10:20 AM

OK, I'm phoning the store I ordered the MB from, first thing tomorrow morning and change my order to the 13" MBP, if it hasn't shipped yet. Heck, I'll do it anyways.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 10:26 AM

Snow Leopard: Finder written in Cocoa. That should speed up the Finder, finally.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 10:32 AM

MacNN's feed is pretty slick this year.
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 10:36 AM

• Apple press release states: Snow Leopard will be available in September for US$29 From MacDailyNews
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 10:38 AM

A $29upgrade!? Say, "Good night" M$! laugh
Posted by: MacGizmo

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 10:49 AM

Yep. $29 for single, $49 for family - available in September
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 10:52 AM

I wonder if it will be a downloadable update...

At $29, it will probably sell faster than they can burn DVDs. laugh
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 10:54 AM

I doubt it
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 10:55 AM

Which? Download or selling?
Posted by: zwei

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 10:57 AM

I am wondering how they will be doing the update. If you don't have Leopard already, it will still be $129 …are we going to finally get to use one of those coupons they send out? I really don't think they will be doing an "Upgrade Disc" and a "Retail Disc" scenario.

You may be right about it being a downloadable update!
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 11:02 AM

Downloadable.

Well, wait. I take that back. Didn't Apple just do an agreement with North Carolina about some server thing going on there?

The only reason I doubt it is that you might have to install off of a DVD/CD?
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 11:03 AM

I just hope the servers are up to the demand if it is a dl.

I was just thinking a dl since the TTPro dmg could be used to burn a boot DVD.
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 11:16 AM

iPhone 3.0 -- the "Find My Phone" and remote data wipe features are pretty dang cool =)
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 11:17 AM

Wow..expensive:

download a package of new cars and racetracks for $99
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 11:20 AM

That is cool! The live monitoring of health stats is cool, too.
Posted by: Biggerfoot

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 11:29 AM

Wow...Snow Leopard for $29...am I reading that correctly?
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 11:31 AM

Yes, you read that correctly.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 11:31 AM

That is correct - for users who already have Leopard installed.
Posted by: zwei

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 11:32 AM

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/06/snow-leopard-hitting-shelves-in-september-for-29.ars

apparently if you buy a new Mac today through Sept you can upgrade to SL for $9.95!
Posted by: NucleusG4

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 11:49 AM

Snow Leopard: Finder written in Cocoa. That should speed up the Finder, finally.

OMG!
OMG!
OMG!
OMG!
OMG!
OMG!
OMG!

I just saw that..


Finally.. that was my 1 thing I was dyiiing for them to do..



Posted by: MicMeister

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 11:53 AM

I'm still hyped up about the 13" MB to 13" MBP move, and bringing back the FW.
Posted by: starmillway

I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 11:55 AM


I said I wouldn't get one no matter what new goodies it had!

But. . . what about a trade in/trade up program?

What to do. . . what to do . . .!

iPhone 3GS smile

Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 11:57 AM

No kidding...between iPhone OS3 and the new iPhone..wow! VERY tempting to get.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 11:58 AM

Between the iPhone OS 3 and the iPhone 3GS, what won't the iPhone do? Holy S!
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 12:00 PM

$199 for 16GB, $299 for 32GB.
Posted by: starmillway

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 12:02 PM

What to do with the working good older version of iPhone once you get a new one? They MUST have a recycling project in mind!

Mustn't they? wink

edit: my current phone now available for $99, so who will give me $45 for it, [plus shipping] Ha!

Okay, okay, . . . free shipping.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 12:05 PM

I need to get a full-time job so that I can afford an iPhone and its care and feeding. laugh
Posted by: starmillway

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 12:06 PM


And that's just the start of our show here at WWDC."
3:04

Recapping the keynote now: new MacBook Pros, Snow Leopard, iPhone OS 3.0, iPhone 3GS.
-------

So bring on Steve! smile

3:05 And that's it! Keynote ends. (Photos still coming in)


Booooooo


Steve, Steve, Steve, . . .


--

MacNN had neat coverage!

Posted by: MacBozo

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 12:06 PM

I was right. No appearance by SJ.
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 12:06 PM

Gonna have to wait to next week, I guess ;-)
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 12:08 PM

Does AT&T really have the band width? It's going to be tested.
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 12:08 PM

Yeah, that really would have capped-off the presentation ... but oh well, we'll just have to settle for everything else ;-)
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 12:09 PM

Apple Store is back up with all the new goodies.
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 12:13 PM

Page up at the Apple Store for online ordering ;-)

Kinda chunky atm, though ... must be getting hit pretty hard =D
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 12:13 PM

Which iPhone do you have, Kate?
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 12:14 PM

I gotta figure out a way to budget in an iPhone! heh
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 12:17 PM

I could afford an iPhone, but the monthly rate plan would burn me.
Posted by: starmillway

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 12:18 PM


I'm guessing 2nd edition 8GB.

I love it. But, . . .

It is kind of slow at times and I'm sure I can find 50 other reasons to get a newer one. smile

Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 12:18 PM

Same here. If the data plan was per family instead of per phone, maybe. Because I know if I got one, my wife would want one! heh
Posted by: FSM

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 12:26 PM

i have the current 8GB 3G iPhone as well. i am going to try out OS 3.0 first . . . but i could easily drop $99 to get the 8GB 3GS version instead. i have barely filled up 1/2 of my 8GB iPhone so far and i have no reason to go for a larger HD in one. hmmmm. hmmm.
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 12:27 PM

Hmmmm ... not a great start =P

I can understand the clunkyness of the ordering pages right now because they must be getting slammed, but this is the pricing page I get:



I'm an existing customer and have upgraded every time so far ... I *really* hope these aren't the prices they're offering to upgrade -- $299 for the 8GB??!!

Yikes!

=/

[update]



The small print:

"2) Requires new two-year AT&T wireless service contract, sold separately to qualified customers; credit check required; must be 18 or older. For non-qualified customers, including existing AT&T customers who want to upgrade from another phone or replace an iPhone 3G, the price with a new two-year agreement is $499 (8GB), $599 (16GB), or $699 (32GB)."

AT&T shoots itself in the foot. Frakking your existing customers in the butt = lost sale and lost new 2-year contract. Good job, dicks.

[/update]
Posted by: carp

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 12:27 PM

Any mention about multitasking ? thats the one BIG feature the Pre has and reviewers love to poke Apples eye with that
Posted by: carp

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 12:33 PM

No kidding WoW , must be a mistake ?

Not only that to upgrade they want a new 2 year commitment , plus charge you a 18.00 fee , plus 299.00 <-- thats not an upgrade its a rip off
Posted by: Mike

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 12:35 PM

'Multitasking' wasn't mentioned.
Posted by: Mike

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 12:37 PM

Originally Posted By: MacBozo
laugh That should give the stock a jolt!


No Steve, no jolt!
Stocks are down.
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 12:38 PM

The 8GB is NOT a 3Gs model.
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 12:39 PM

That isn't new as far as I can recall.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 12:44 PM

My two year contract period has ended, so my pricing is $100 less to upgrade.
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 12:50 PM

Yes, it is new at least as far as existing customers are concerned -- last time around we got the upgrade pricing, not the "pay full price and you still need to commit to a new contract" plan ...

Hopefully, they'll change their minds (which they did last time, as I recall ...)

Anyways, tried to talk to a live person at the Apple Store, but the welcome-bot kept saying "I'll connect you to the next representative" and then hung up. I hate those automated systems.
Posted by: carp

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 12:56 PM

Six

I have Apple Pro Care , try calling the store again when the auto bot comes on hit #5 should send you direct to a live person ?
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 01:04 PM

Heh -- thanks for the info ... I gave it a try and got:

"No, you don't have to press any buttons, just talk to me like a real person" ...

I actually considered for a second giving it a piece of my mind, just like I would with a real person ;-)

Anyways, tried hitting "0" twice and got the same "I'll connect you" disconnect deal ...

I'm off to the Apple Store to see if they can shed any light on this =)
Posted by: carp

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 01:20 PM

LOL - interesting

I used it last friday to make a live Genius reservation worked well - 24 iMac DVD went south
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 01:23 PM

Back from the Apple Store ...

Apparently, if you're an existing customer and upgraded last year to the 3G, you "used up" your incentive pricing ... so the sweet deal really is: Full boat on the hardware and a new two-year commitment ...

No thanks =P

I guess instead of re-upping folks for another two years + the $200-$300 cash, they rather have ... nothing + a contract that runs out in another 7 months.

Hell of a business model, guys =P
Posted by: starmillway

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 01:28 PM



Quote:
Apparently, if you're an existing customer and upgraded last year to the 3G, you "used up" your incentive pricing ... so the sweet deal really is: Full boat on the hardware and a new two-year commitment ...

No thanks =P


No thanks !!

Posted by: MacBozo

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 01:29 PM

Yeah, they do suck on their pricing. Get the OS 3.0 for now (it's free for the existing iPhones) and then check upgrade pricing in 7 months. They might have a better deal by then.
Posted by: FSM

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 01:29 PM

oh, 8GB is not 3GS . . . well, with what 6of1 posted, i doubt i upgrade hardware then -- just OS.
Posted by: carp

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 01:46 PM

Hummm

I guess that since At&T subsidizes the phone they don't wanna subsidize twice per every customer ? could cost them some bucks

Still some finance head could have come up with something thats reasonable ?
Posted by: six_of_one

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 02:22 PM

Well, the explanations I've been reading are, essentially:

If you bought the first iPhone, you paid full price for the hardware + a two-year contract, so AT&T wasn't "losing" anything when they offered the 3G at a subsidized price + two years (which was actually *more* expensive for the customer than the original deal) ...

This time around, since apparently they didn't make enough off your original purchase + 1 year of contract + raising rates for the second term + what you *did* pay for the new hardware + 1+ year of contract, they prefer to have you run out your existing contract ...

Otherwise, they want you to pay $200 to cover the remaining subsidy for the 3G, then essentially subsidizing the new phone + a new two-year contract ...

What they don't appear to offer is full-price for the new phone w/o the requirement for a new contract. That way their subsidy would still be paid-off under the existing contract and they'd (presumably) make some cash off the new equipment sale. They'd certainly not be any worse-off than letting existing contracts simply expire, and they'd gain good-will, at least, of existing customers instead of pissing them off ...

This is why I hate tying phones to plans. I would much rather pay full-price for the equipment and be able to buy service a la carte ... but then the service providers would actually have to focus on service and not hardware deals ...
Posted by: carp

Re: I want the new iPhone! - 06/08/09 02:51 PM

I agree its NOT compelling to run out and upgrade , they almost sound like At&T is discouraging you to do so ? IMO

I just watch that iPhone 3G' S Guided Tour - fwiw it is not that great compared to the cost of upgrading <-- fantastic for first time buyers

I hope the new Compass is good for Poly , I will wait for his review
Posted by: DLC

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 04:11 PM

I have a 2 yr old MB and am considering the MBP $1099 education. I calculate I can upgrade for about $230 !! (assuming I can get $800 for my old book - with all the software on it and 1 year left on AppleCare).

That includes taking the free iPod and Printer and reselling them.
That gives me a faster Laptop and a new 3 yr AppleCare.coverage...
I'll also save $30 on upgrading Snow Leopard and $30 extending my Mobile Me account 12 months.

IF it all works out .. final cost should be around $170 + Tax.
Posted by: MacGizmo

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 05:11 PM

I'm just guessing, but I highly suspect that Snow Leopard will ship as an upgrade disc and a separate full install disc. I don't see any other way to distinguish if you're upgrading or using a full install AFTER you've already purchased the install DVD.

The sucky thing about that is, if you ever need to do a clean install, you would have to install Leopard first, then update to Snow Leopard - just like those stupid "drop-in discs" the Apple Stores were doing a while back for people who purchased a new Mac the day of and a few days after Leopard was released.

Even a downloadable update would be the same setup (check for previous install). I just don't see any other way of doing it. Got any ideas?
Posted by: Swatcat

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 05:16 PM

Call it a Service Pack and give it to us for free wink
Posted by: DLC

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 06:36 PM

That could be.... maybe I'll spring for it anyway for my wife's iMac. wink
Posted by: zwei

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 07:40 PM

The Snow Leopard Install disk might just ask for you to put in a Leopard disk to verify. I can't imagine they would make you install Leopard and then turn around and reinstall SL on top of it.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 10:54 PM

Why would it do that? NeoOffice patches check for a supported version of Neo before it will install the patch. All it has to do is check for your current installed system version (or look at your receipts).
Posted by: MicMeister

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/08/09 11:30 PM

Dang! I just called the store I ordered my MacBook from and found out it had been shipped yesterday...and since I ordered for my small business, it is pretty much a done deal by law now as it is paid for and shipped.

Oh well, basically it would be just an SD card reader (no biggie) and a FW800 (somewhat of a biggie) upgrade on that setup. And yeah, the option to go to 8 gigs of max ram instead of four.

Still, I gotta say 'ARGH'.
Posted by: DLC

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/09/09 03:56 AM

Do they have a restocking fee ?

If not, just return it unopened and redo the whole process. smirk
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/09/09 04:29 AM

Wasn't the last time Apple released an "upgrade" it in fact was the full version?

Quote:
Apple released 10.1 as a free upgrade CD for 10.0 users, in addition to the US$129 boxed version for people running only Mac OS 9. It was discovered that the upgrade CDs were actually full install CDs that could be used with Mac OS 9 systems by removing a specific file; Apple later re-released the CDs in an actual stripped-down format that did not facilitate installation on such systems
Posted by: MicMeister

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/09/09 04:40 AM

Nah, I guess I'm quite cool with this setup now for a while. Quite happy with this thing too. I can live w/o the FW800 as I don't have any FW peripherals. I'm also bound by slightly different terms and legslation now since I ordered this via my small business (to get the tax write-offs and such), so I am not a private person customer, but a business customer.

Besides, I couldn't resist opening it already. wink
Posted by: polymerase

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/09/09 08:29 AM

I purchased as a business customer a tower which upgraded ten days later. I called and locked in on a return before the 14 calendar day refund ran out. Opened incurs a 10% restocking fee. Mine was opened but they waived the restock fee since they could not deliver for a few weeks.
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/09/09 11:03 AM

Perhaps it is different in Finland than the US?
Posted by: DLC

Re: WWDC keynote 10am Pacific/1pm Eastern - 06/09/09 11:13 AM

Well enjoy !!


any new toy is a thrill . . .


esp if you can "write it off" !! grin

and what a patriot... your answer to busting the recession !! wink