Replacement optical drive for PM G5

Posted by: trey

Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/06/09 11:24 AM

Anyone have experience that one of these might be better than the other?
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/06/09 11:54 AM

I like Pioneer drives. I changed mine out in my old powermac G5 with the Pioneer 111D.

BTW, newegg is a little bit cheaper:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827129043
Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/06/09 12:36 PM

Well, that's good enough for me! I just ordered two. smile

The front thingie comes off to let it fit through the door, right?
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/06/09 01:05 PM

Yup, that's the only modification I had to do, which was really easy.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/06/09 01:22 PM

Originally Posted By: trey
The front thingie comes off to let it fit through the door, right?

I love it when you get all technical! laugh
Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/06/09 01:54 PM

I like to be as specific as possible.
Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/09/09 08:36 AM

OK, how do I get the front panel off without breaking the tray?
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/09/09 08:42 AM

I don't have a tray loading drive to look at. Will the front of the tray slip off allowing the front cover to come off? They are usually secured with locking tabs which can be depressed to release.
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/09/09 08:45 AM

It comes off pretty easy. It slides up. There's a couple of clips near the outer edges. Thumbs on the top of tray, pull up on the bezel with your fingers from underneath the bezel.

Edit - I prefer to file the corners and edges if possible to keep dust out of the drive rather than remove the seal. I never have liked how Apple does that, removing the bezel that has the seal.
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/09/09 08:47 AM

You have to stick a tech tool into the hole to manually pull the tray out first BTW.
Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/09/09 09:08 AM

Originally Posted By: Reboot
You have to stick a tech tool into the hole to manually pull the tray out first BTW.


Luckily I had my tech tool ready:



wink

I got it. At first I thought I saw glue on there, and I was going to be quite upset.

Your filing idea sounds appealing, as this thing it quite ugly compared to the one that came with it. Got a pic?
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/09/09 09:17 AM

Originally Posted By: trey
Your filing idea sounds appealing, as this thing it quite ugly compared to the one that came with it. Got a pic?
No unfortunately. You'll just have to mess with it. Install the drive, pull down on the slide door, and see what parts might be hitting.

I have never done it on a MacPro. I'm going in to do one this week though on a G5 tower, I'll let you know how it goes. If you can't figure it out just run it without the bezel for now.
Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/09/09 09:57 AM

I just burned a DVD, so It works. The second one is for my PowerMac at home, in which the drive is just about completely gone, so I'm totally stoked!
Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/14/09 07:21 AM

Ugh, the one at work is fine, but my PowerMac at home is having conniption fits. Whenever the machine is left alone to go to sleep, it crashes. I get nothing but the beach ball. iTunes Remote can still cause things to be played over the speakers, but I can't connect from another computer. Console has this to say:

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Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/14/09 11:47 AM

First of all: Oops! I didn't mean to post quite that much of the Console output. If any mods want to edit it, that's fine with me. Sorry, I was in a rush.

Things're getting stinkier. Disk Utility won't launch, and when I plug in my iPhone, it won't charge (it syncs with the MacBook, I just charge it at the PowerMac), and my iPod won't update at all, though it dies charge and gives the little "Do Not Disconnect" message.
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/14/09 12:57 PM

I'd say check the jumpers first, but on the other matter the fact that the iPhone won't charge shouldn't have anything to do with the DVD drive.
Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/14/09 01:39 PM

How should the jumpers be set?

And I wouldn't think it would have any effect on the iPhone either, but it's a strange coincidence.
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/14/09 10:29 PM

If it's the only thing on the chain use the first plug and set the jumper to master, first two vertical pins on the right. If it's the second on the chain set it to slave, the pins to the left of master.

If your IDE cable has a little hole in the cable near the logic board, you can use C.Sel, cable select. If you have only one drive make sure it's on the first plug for C.Sel also.
Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/15/09 08:04 AM

Yeah, I got it figured out by looking at the drive I had taken out. The jumper was indeed on the wrong setting. Seems weird, though, that it would have worked fine for several days and then just gone "poof."
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/15/09 09:09 AM

How it worked, and then not? FM man. grin
Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/19/09 01:52 PM

Ok... this is getting annoying. On both systems, the optical drive seems to shut down or something after a time. This means, of course, that no discs can be read, and it won't even eject. The only solution seems to be rebooting the machine. When this happens, System Profiler crashes if you try to view either the IDE or SATA devices. Every other category is fine.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/19/09 01:57 PM

Sounds like the drive, or its interface, is hosed.
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/19/09 02:38 PM

I'm putting one into a G5 tower tomorrow, I'll see if it does the same thing.

What version is the firmware?
Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/19/09 04:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Reboot
What version is the firmware?


Of the PowerMac?

Boot ROM Version: 5.1.8f7

Drive info:

PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-118L:

Model: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-118L
Revision: 1.02
Serial Number: IIQC319148WL
Detachable Drive: No
Protocol: ATAPI
Unit Number: 0
Socket Type: Internal
Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/20/09 06:27 AM

My computer at work:

Boot ROM Version: 5.2.4f1
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/20/09 07:51 AM

The firmware on the drive is 1.02. I'm heading over to install the one I have, I'll see how it goes.

How long does it take for it to get stupid?
Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/20/09 08:56 AM

On my machine at home, it seems to happen within a couple of hours of the drive having been used. It's harder to tell on this one at work, 'cause I use the drive more often.

I should also note that on my machine at home (I can't remember if the one at work does it), when I try to reboot it when this is happening, the machine freezes at the point where only the desktops are visible. I then have to hold the power button for five seconds to get it to shut down.
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/20/09 03:52 PM

Do you have your jumpers on Master or Cable Select, third from the right? I had it on Master since it was the only device on the G5 bus, but when I tried to burn a CD it started kind of, but wouldn't burn. My Console was giving the same message as you posted above. I couldn't Relaunch the Finder, and System Profiler hung after going to Disc Burning, it couldn't be Force Quit either. I tried to Restart but after it quit everything it wouldn't restart. I could launch an app from the dock to get to the Apple Menu and get back to the Force Quit window, but couldn't do anything with the Finder or System Profiler, had to push and hold the power button.

I moved the jumper to Cable Select and it works now and the Console messages are gone. I didn't have time to let it sit, I'll call her Monday and see if it's still working. It's a business and the computer will be on but not in use the whole weekend.

I'm bummed we're having these problems. Pioneer drives have always been bullet proof for me or I wouldn't have recommended one, or bought one. I did a bit of research today and found out that they have changed chipsets from NEC in all previous models, to Mediatek for the 118s. I'm going to get in touch with Pioneer tech support and see if they can offer anything. I couldn't find any firmware update info on their site either, it stopped at the 117 line.

This was on 10.5.8 BTW, what's on your end? I may have to get one for home and see what happens here.
Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/21/09 06:43 AM

I should have mentioned that both machines are on 10.4.11. I just haven't gotten around to going to 10.5 yet. But if that'll help, they'll be there on Monday. smile

Let me know what Pioneer says.
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/21/09 07:19 AM

10.4, this is what you needed http://www.patchburn.de/ I just assumed you were in the 21st century. grin

10.5 won't need it though.
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/24/09 07:31 AM

Okay, the G5 tower on 10.5.8 choked on the drive. She can't reboot or shutdown the machine unless she holds the power button, and this AM when she went to eject a disc it froze the machine. I took over a used DVR-111 for now.

Any luck with yours or same crap. I looked in the Console and even with the jumper change I mentioned in the last post, after being on a while the machine gets the IOATA errors.

I'm kind of ticked, had to get out early today and cancel a call to make this one right.

Stay tuned, I have contacted them this AM.
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/24/09 07:35 AM

Wow, I am sorry that I even recommended Pioneer!
Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/24/09 08:14 AM

Things seem fine after running Patchburn. But I am on 10.4.11. It seems to have installed the correct drivers or whatever.

I'm glad I didn't run off and install 10.5, but I'd like to do so soon, so let me know what solution you come up with. This illustrates why these two mission-critical systems haven't made it to the twenty first century yet. wink
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 11/24/09 09:28 AM

Originally Posted By: John Rougeux
Wow, I am sorry that I even recommended Pioneer!
I always have though, something has changed with the 118s.
Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 12/04/09 06:51 AM

So... did you ever get a resolution on this? Things seemed fine, but my machine at home is now crashing a couple of times a day, and the work one isn't much better.
Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 12/05/09 01:13 PM

Wait, is something missing from here?
Posted by: John Rougeux

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 12/05/09 07:02 PM

yeah, Reboot had responded, but then this happened
Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 12/06/09 07:02 AM

Ah, good. I do have weird dreams sometimes that I have problems separating from reality. But I was worrying about my sanity if I was having dreams about Reboot responding to me on here. That would be a little weird. wink
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 12/06/09 01:38 PM

Originally Posted By: trey
Ah, good. I do have weird dreams sometimes that I have problems separating from reality. But I was worrying about my sanity if I was having dreams about Reboot responding to me on here. That would be a little weird. wink
Yeah, that would make me a little uncomfortable too. smirk

I'm going to put the 118 into mine today and see how it goes.

The customer's machine is running fine with my 111 in it of course.

Pioneer never got back with me, got a case #, I'll call them again this week after trying it in mine.
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 12/06/09 05:48 PM

Okay, got it in the bottom bay of a G4 MDD, 10.5.8. We'll see what happens. Confidence is not high though.
Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 12/08/09 08:11 AM

I hope it doesn't turn out that my complacency is the issue here... well actually I hope it does: The last poster in this thread suggests that zapping the PRAM solves the issue.

I hadn't done that in so long, it stopped being one of the things I'd try. I just zapped PRAM and reset the NV RAM on the machine at work, so let's see what that does. I'll try the one at home tonight.
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 12/08/09 11:44 AM

No problems so far, but I've only burned and ripped a few discs, and I haven't left a disc in when it sleeps yet either.

I am seeing this in Console though;

12/8/09 2:01:55 PM kextd[10] kextd Notice WARNING: /System/Library/Extensions: No such file or directory. A Googling says it's not a good thing to be seeing though.

I'll disconnect the new drive and see what happens sometime today.
Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 12/08/09 12:56 PM

Came to say that zapping the PRAM didn't help.
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 12/12/09 10:22 AM

Well Pioneer got back with me. I'll give you three guesses as to what they said, and the first two don't count. Don't forget, we have Macs. crazy
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 12/12/09 10:37 AM

I've had it in a week, no reboots, I've done ripping, burning, discs have been sitting in it most of the week, no problems. I don't get why the G5 I took it out of had problems, but this MDD doesn't. I have the jumpers on cable select, I have two optical drives in it.
Posted by: MacBozo

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 12/12/09 10:44 AM

Cable select worked fine on my Sawtooth G4, too.
Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 12/13/09 08:29 AM

Im guessing the third suggestion is "d00d, yr skrewed!"

It's god to know that they work in other machines. I'll probably just put these drives in some G4s and/or Windows computers and order something that works. Although --and I hope I'm not cursing myself here -- my G5 at home seems to be accepting the transplant better than the one at work.
Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 12/15/09 11:50 AM

Here's my temporary solution to this problem:



crazy
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 12/15/09 12:28 PM

LOL, that's a sweet set up. laugh

Yeah, Pioneer said "we don't support our drives in Apple computers" even though Apple has been putting them in for years.
Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 12/15/09 01:38 PM

Well, screw Pioneer.

Luckily, the old drive from this machine has no problem READING CDs and DVDs, it just can't burn them anymore. So I stuck it back in, and the other one, as you can see, is piggybacking for now.
Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 02/22/10 07:40 AM

Ok, well, back to this...

Two months on and I'm still using my "temporary" solution at work, which is fine with me. But for my PowerMac at home, I'm ready to stick in a couple of 1TB drives and install 10.5, and I'm still getting errors from the drive. To be sure, they seem to have gone away for awhile, leading me to think things were Ok, but within the past week, I've been getting kernel panics again.

I'm guessing this won't bode well for installing the OS (I'll try anyway), so I'm just going to sell this thing on Craigslist.

I'm just posting to get suggestions for a drive that's known to work with a PowerMac G5. The cheapest one that will burn DVDs.
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 02/22/10 09:11 AM

Sorry, should have got back on this. I'm not sure why that 118 isn't working for you. I put that "troublesome" 118 from above into my MDD and have burned all sorts of stuff with it over the last couple of months.

Remember I took that 118 out of their G5 and put in my 112? Well they started having the same problems with the 112. I was pulling my hair out as it was a drive that was supported and worked in my MDD. I went back in and looked at it. There was a loose IDE cable going from the DVD at the logic board connection, it's easy to come loose when you're installing it with the angle it's at.

If that 118 drive is working via firewire, it should work via IDE too. Check the cable. Do you have another machine to pull the optical drive from and put it into the G5 for testing?

As far as selling the PM, if you're having all those problems with it selling it isn't a good thing to do IMO. If another optical from a working machine doesn't work, then there is a serious problem with the PM and you probably shouldn't sell it. They'll be getting a POS and they'll probably come back on you for it.
Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 02/22/10 09:56 AM

No, I meant I was going to sell the drive. The PowerMac itself (both of them, actually) is fine. smile

The one at work is actually on a USB connection right now, and the original drive is back in and having no real problems, but I'll check the connections anyway.
Posted by: Jim_

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 02/22/10 10:07 AM

Might try OWC's Samsung from your original link then.
Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 03/01/10 11:40 AM

Just to follow up... I hope I don't jinx myself here, but the drive has been fine so far on my PowerMac at home after going up to 10.5. I'm going to install it here at work later this week.
Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 03/01/10 05:44 PM

I jinxed myself. Got home and I was getting the kernel[0]: IOATAController device blocking bus. code. What a pisser.

So, I guess the moral here is that the PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-118L doesn't play nice with the PowerMac G5. For now, I've got an old Lacie FW LightScribe drive that I may remove from the case and put into the PowerMac. Or maybe I'll just get the Samsung. I'll let you know.
Posted by: Acumowchek

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 03/03/10 01:21 PM

What does OWC have to say about it?
I replaced the original Pioneer (110?) with a 116 and have had no problems, but I burn a lot of discs and it might carp out some day. It would be nice to know if it can be replaced.
I'm keeping my G5 until it can no longer run current software, or I die. Whichever comes first.
Posted by: trey

Re: Replacement optical drive for PM G5 - 03/03/10 04:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Acumowchek
What does OWC have to say about it?


Funny you ask. I actually called them yesterday to see what they would say. Of course, they say it works fine in all the systems they tested. I'm guessing, though, that they probably just stuck one in, burned a disc, and gave it a pass.

I wasn't trying to get anything out of them, it's been like several months since I bought the drives. I just wanted to point out that maybe they shouldn't be selling them for PM G5s.

The guy was very nice, and I emailed him a link to this thread so that he could see (or least get the impression wink ) that I'm not a moron. He says he'll "pass this along to our product manager so he can research it further." Fine, but I'm still stuck shelling out $40.00 on a new drive.