Wow, talk about disappointment

Posted by: Trog

Wow, talk about disappointment - 10/26/02 02:05 AM

Sorry this is so long, but I haven't been this disappointed in an Apple computer in a long while...<br><br>So, a thread or two down I mentioned wanting to make a DVD from QT movies. Simple with Apple's hardware of today right? Yes, if you own a superdrive. If you've purchased a nice $3,000 Powerbook you are pretty much out of luck without spending another, oh, $1500 or so. And even then...<br><br>Here's what I've been doing:<br><br>A lab next to mine just purchased a LaCie DVD-RW drive for their Dell that uses either firewire or USB 2.0. That sounded great, I could finally make DVDs to play on my powerbook or home DVD player. Cool.<br><br>Problem#1: You cannot use Apple's iDVD software without a certified Apple superdrive. Period. At first I thought that there must be some logical hardware-to-software reason for this, but it turns out that a few third-party manufacturers (Formac, among others) tried to make extensions to allow iDVD to work with their external burners. Apple threatened them and made them stop.<br><br>So, if you want to author DVDs with a powerbook you will need to purchase professional software, such as DVD Studio Pro, for about $1,000. Nice, huh. Well, being at a large institution I found someone with DVD studio pro so that I could try this out and see if it is something I wanted to invest in. I made the DVD on their powermac, using Apple media and Apple software. <br><br>Problem #2: I put the DVD into my powerbook and it won't even mount. It works fine on the mac that made it, a home DVD player and (oh boy) even the PC in the room next door. I can also hook the LaCie DVD burner to the powerbook and it mounts fine with that drive. But the powerbook drive works great for CDs, CD-R, CD-RW and DVD-ROM (Commercially prepared) so it is specific to DVD-R.<br><br>I did a search at Apple's discussion forums and came up with this thread with 27 replies of people with exactly the same problem with their G4 powerbooks starting back in April!! Apparently Apple is aware of the problem and has little or no plans to do anything about it. I don't know which bothers me more, the fact that Apple 1) either forces you to buy a desktop mac with a superdrive or else makes you pay up to $1,000 for DVD Studio pro or similar commercial application, or 2) that although the Powerbook G4 is pretty much the most expensive, high profile piece of hardware they make/sell, it doesn't even fit into their digital lifestyle routine. Seriously, you could buy an entire superdrive iMac for what it would cost to be able to burn DVDs with a brand new Powerbook!<br><br>I'll probably cool off a bit tomorrow but all I can say right now is, thank god I didn't rush out and buy a burner and $1,000 software of my own. <br><br>How about this for a switch ad: burn your DVDs on your mac.... but they will only mount on your PC <br><br>
Posted by: OSXaddict

Re: Wow, talk about disappointment - 10/26/02 08:19 AM

iDVD works fine on my G4/500 that I put my superdrive into. I bought the internal superdrive at a 3rd party. <br><br>I read about it not working on external ones..sorry to hear that.<br><br>
Posted by: DaddyMac

Re: Wow, talk about disappointment - 10/26/02 09:29 AM

Me too- I installed a Pioneer A04 drive into a dual 500 G4, and I've made iDVD discs that play on my machine, commercial players, Windows machine DVD players- you name it!<br><br><br>[color:red]Hold on...it's time for a</font color=red><br>
Posted by: OSXaddict

Re: Wow, talk about disappointment - 10/26/02 09:32 AM

wow. So we have almost identical machines except for yours is dual and I think you have the gigabit?<br><br>I also put an ATI Radeon 8500 card in mine..64MB.<br><br>
Posted by: MacGizmo

Re: Wow, talk about disappointment - 10/26/02 11:13 AM

My dualie can beat up his dualie!! <br><br>
Posted by: OSXaddict

Re: Wow, talk about disappointment - 10/26/02 12:05 PM

Yeah well..you have an awesome duallie...<br><br>just color me jealous! <br><br>
Posted by: MacGizmo

Re: Wow, talk about disappointment - 10/26/02 01:19 PM

observe and listen grasshopper.... you too can have an asskickin dualie!!! <br><br>
Posted by: OSXaddict

Re: Wow, talk about disappointment - 10/26/02 01:44 PM

observe and listen? You gonna tell me how to rob a bank or something? LOL<br><br>
Posted by: MacGizmo

Re: Wow, talk about disappointment - 10/26/02 03:35 PM

Unfortunately for you and others... the "iApps" are made to entice you to buy Apple's premium products. Is it fair? Probably not, but perfectly within their rights, and quite frankly - all companies do it.<br><br>There are a VERY FEW 3rd party drives that actually do work with iDVD, but it takes some research to find out which ones - and even then, they probably won't work with the next update.<br><br>
Posted by: Trog

Re: Wow, talk about disappointment - 10/26/02 05:15 PM

Ok, my anger has subsided a bit. The fact that iDVD2 is a free download makes it easier to swallow that they want it to be used with their hardware. But, it still screws powerbook users. Its an incredibly expensive machine that is supposed to be a mobile movie maker. But when it comes to DVD technology it is less useful than an eMac. That's not right. Since they cannot (understandably) squeeze the superdrive into a TiBook there should be something else that can be done to compensate that doesn't cost $1500.<br><br>Plus, it should be able to play any DVD media that a stupid PC can.<br>Oh, I better stop, I'm getting mad again...<br><br>
Posted by: MacGizmo

Re: Wow, talk about disappointment - 10/26/02 05:23 PM

Well.... I'm sorry, but Steve Jobs asked me if a free set of "iSteakKnives" would make you feel better.... of course, they only cut Apple-branded meat!<br><br>
Posted by: OSXaddict

Re: Wow, talk about disappointment - 10/26/02 06:12 PM

Well, next time do a little research. <br><br>Obviously it sounds like you should have purchased a PowerMac instead. <br><br>
Posted by: Trog

Re: Wow, talk about disappointment - 10/26/02 11:42 PM

Oooh. Great! I'll take 'em! But they won't work on this delicious cut of Steve Ballmer I have? <br><br>
Posted by: MacGizmo

Re: Wow, talk about disappointment - 10/26/02 11:55 PM

Sorry Trog... the iKnives won't cut through Monkey-Meat!<br><br>[color:red] Kiss My Banana!</font color=red>
Posted by: Trog

Re: Wow, talk about disappointment - 10/27/02 07:47 AM

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> Well, next time do a little research.<br>Obviously it sounds like you should have purchased a PowerMac instead.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Nah, I just need a Powermac too. I've already asked 'Gizmo's wife and she's going to buy it for me<br><br>
Posted by: OSXaddict

Re: Wow, talk about disappointment - 10/27/02 07:50 AM

There you go! <br><br>
Posted by: hayesk

Re: Wow, talk about disappointment - 10/27/02 08:17 AM

The sale of Apple's superdrives funds the development of iDVD - that's why they don't want it to work on third-party drives. However, someone really needs to make an iDVD equivalent. They're sure to make lots of OEM sales to third-party DVD drive manufacturers.<br><br><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by hayesk on 10/27/02 11:18 AM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>
Posted by: MacGizmo

Re: Wow, talk about disappointment - 10/27/02 08:24 AM

I'm guessing that it is just way too much work for a 3rd party to just give away. It would have to be a company the size of Apple, Adobe or MS - and you know they aren't going to give anything away.<br><br>[color:red] Kiss My Banana!</font color=red>
Posted by: Trog

Re: Wow, talk about disappointment - 10/27/02 09:14 AM

Apparently iDVD2 has a one hour time limit and it puts an Apple logo on the DVD tracks? At least that's what I've heard. Not sure I like that anyway. Why would they impose a time limit? Who is it hurting to have consumers making home movies that are more than an hour long?<br><br>
Posted by: hayesk

Re: Wow, talk about disappointment - 10/27/02 05:02 PM

iDVD 1.x had a 60-minute limit. I believe iDVD 2 is a 90 minute limit. I've never heard of the Apple logo on the tracks.<br><br>
Posted by: hayesk

Re: Wow, talk about disappointment - 11/01/02 06:34 PM

Formac today announced DVD editing software for their drives. You may want to check to see if you can get it for other drives. Good luck.<br><br>
Posted by: Trog

Re: Wow, talk about disappointment - 11/01/02 10:13 PM

Thanks hayesk,<br><br>I did see that. I have one of formac's firewire CDRW drives and it has been really good from day one. However, I'm seriously considering getting a desktop mac (maybe Apple's strategy is paying off ) anyway. Maybe I'll see if anything new comes out at MWSF; I can't be buying anything for myself until after Christmas anyway.<br><br>By the way, iDVD2 does put an Apple logo on at least the menus, but probably not the tracks; look here<br><br>
Posted by: Anonymous

Ti Superdrive - What a difference a few days make - 11/07/02 01:07 PM

NM<br><br>
Posted by: Trog

Re: Ti Superdrive - What a difference a few days m - 11/07/02 02:23 PM

Nah, I've had this PBG4 for a year... but the new ones are definitely mouthwatering!<br><br>