It was definitely an tropospheric inversion layer reflecting the refracted light of the setting sun at an angle specific to your line of vision, wich explains why no one else reported seeing anything. If you'd moved just two inches to the southwest, you'd have seen it disappear.<br><br>And, by the way, if you're ever in the US of A, there's a really nice bridge in San Francisco (maybe you've heard of it, it's called the Golden Gate) that I can sell you cheap. <br><br>Great wits are sure to madness near allied.--John Dryden, "Absalom and Achitophel"
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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Meteror day or nite can give that perception <p><hr></blockquote><p>Except I've seen many meteors in my time and they all took no more than 3 or 4 second to disappear. This light was visible for 15 seconds of so, which made it remarkable. Still...<br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Satelites in low orbit at sunsets or sunrise can give off a reflection from the sun that would appear to be UFOs<p><hr></blockquote><p>That's a possibility. Although the sun was setting, something at extreme altitude could quite easily still reflect the sun's rays and the speed/time might well fit that of a satellite.<br><br>The impression I had was thet the object was quite low, but as you rightly point out, the atmosphere can play tricks with our vision. That's a very plausible explanation.<br><br>I'm surprised this thread hasn't encouraged others to share their "UFO" experiences, watcher excepted. Perhaps very few of us ever witness these phenomena.<br><br><br><br>
I have seen those here and the news people will say look just above the horizon you will see the space shutlle or a statelite at a certain time when the sun will be reflecting off the object. Sunsets or sunrise is the most spectacular events. Plus since you are looking at just above the horizon, that longer distance through the atmoshere there is more light bending.<br><br>You being a pilot have you ever flown late at nite with 2 or even buy yourself? Man I tell you the sounds you hear at nite while flying will scare the beeejeeders off you. I guess I am just not used to that nite sounds.<br><br><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by carp on 05/28/02 07:36 PM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>
I saw something I can't describe about ten years ago. If the people you try to explain it to haven't seen one for themselves... well... they think you're wacked in the head. No sense in setting yourself up for that. <br><br>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>you ever flown late at nite with 2 or even buy yourself<p><hr></blockquote><p>Yep. During my commercial training, I had to do some cross-country flights and I can tell you I was puckered up every minute I was up there. Single engined aircraft, no instrument rating, pitch darkness outside of the built up areas. Man, that stuff keeps you "fascinated", as they used to say. I would return from the X-country, bathed in sweat, no matter how cold it was. It's not the sort of flying you do for fun.<br><br>I still don't have my instrument rating, although I had to complete some basic panel instrument flying to get my commercial. The IR rating is not compulsory, especially for helicopters, very few of which are IR rated or have the instruments required.<br><br>Don't get me started on noises at night. Whooooh...<br><br><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by MachOne on 05/28/02 07:52 PM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I'm surprised this thread hasn't encouraged others to share their "UFO" experiences, watcher excepted. Perhaps very few of us ever witness these phenomena.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>I really wish I could share experiences cause that'd mean I'd had some. Of the exraterrestrial variety, I mean. I do believe we're not alone, but for me (so far) it has to be a matter of faith, not experience.<br><br>Great wits are sure to madness near allied.--John Dryden, "Absalom and Achitophel"
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Whilst it is true yes that there are numerous debunk theories that can be put forward that often do explain such phenomena as we are discussing. I beleive that I did do just that; re the moths circling the tower.. but in this case I am saying that from all my extensive knowledge of flying objects, this particular sighting does not actually have any authentification along those lines of thought. <br>I have been watching things that fly since I could turn my eyes to the stars. <br>I have a very practical mind that is well educated in all matters of scientific analysis of events before our eyes.. <br>I have lived in an area of the world where strange phenomena abound for 50 years. I am well used to sorting out the heebie jeebies from reality. I spend many long hours/days and weeks alone in the night or on days of the extreme nature that could easily cause one to rant and rave about hallucinations, I am no stranger to what can occur. <br><br>This particular night I had no sensory deprivation of any kind and I have several witnesses.. I am not alone in seeing this phenomena and witnessings were from more than one direction.<br><br>This particular sighting I described may not be a flying saucer but it is a genuine UFO. I don't give a rats arse whether it was a low flying experimental secret surveillance craft or a giant glow worm.. there just is no scientific evidential reality that can pin it to any of the reader's above mentioned scenarios.. except UFO. <br>It was definitely NOT a satellite. I have been watching those all my life, I saw skylab coming down after all.<br>I have seen millions no.. billions of meteorites.. <br>I have also seen a meteor that you could fit NY city on... (and still have room for Sydney).., pass us by by what appeared to be mere inches and man they travel fast..(if that one had hit, I would not be telling this tale today). Yes this is the sort of speed I observed that night but.. without the bright burning light associated with burning in our atmosphere. The metor I am describing .. left a white line burnt into my retina for minutes afterward...or at least seemed to do so. Nope I have seen planes that look like cigar shaped craft in the early morning light.. You guys have to remember that I can see the horizon curve in every direction I look .. I doubt that there are many observers who can see as much sky as I can. This Light that I saw and is so very similar to Mach One's strange sight but has one difference.. I trailed it in every direction North, South, East, West.. in a four wheel drive over rough terrain and our field/angles of view were constantly altering we trailed it well into the night .. Well after dusk, the sun had been long gone and all was pitch black when it took off and flew away.. yes .. flew away, not any abberation of vision.. no way.<br><br>
1959, Ellsworth Falls, Maine. I'm a kid at a summer camp on the lower shore of Graham Lake (a 22 mile long man-made lake formed when the Union River was dammed in 1925). One night, around 9:30pm one of the councellors calls us out to the baseball field atop a nearby hill. There's a formation of small very bright lights slowly circling overhead, back and forth across the lake near our camp. Within 10 minutes, 3 fighter jets from nearby Dow AFB approach from the south. <br><br>In an instant, the lights overhead are at the other end of the lake — 22 miles away. As the jets near that end of the lake, ZIP! The lights are over us again. We can see the jets swing back in our direction, and as they approach again, POOF! Lights out. The jets circled the lake for another 20 minutes or so and then returned to Dow. <br><br>Nothin' in the paper the next day, and never saw anything like that again. But it made an early believer out of me. And I still get a chill when I think about it.<br><br>
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