I see your points (Yo-yo, JC), especially about creating jobs.<br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>everyone is passing a twenty dollar bill to the person to their right.<p><hr></blockquote><p>ahh, but that's just it. I'd be perfectly happy if everyone were passing twenties to cover healthcare, education and mass transit that I may never even use, thats the way the "system" should work. But with legislative bills like this... the individuals using the system most are now allowed to pass only tens and fives... depending on how many children you can produce. <br><br>
Loc: New Hampshire
healthcare? WHAT? you wanna live forever? what happened to the good old days when people died of causes.<br><br>healthcare is for greedy people that want to live longer than their neighbors. talk about keeping up with the jones' <br><br>
Loc: New Hampshire
"Heck what's 400 billion among friends!"<br><br>hey, I'll pay extra for your kids, but I expect them to pick up the tab for the 400 billion <br><br>(ok, I better stop with the sacarstic humor before people start taking me serious)<br><br>
Loc: Alexandria, VA
.... eeeew!<br><br>Serously, I have to agree with Trog ...<br><br>Not to offend, but as a single person (i.e no marriage tax deduction) with no children (i.e. no per children deduction) who doesn't own a home (i.e. don't get to write off housing expenses), why should I have to pay for what are essentially other's lifestyle decisions?<br><br>And don't get me started - aside from cases of rape and incest, children ARE a concious decision - aside from those two cases there are no "accidental" children ...<br><br>Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about how much money I make, just how much of it goes to the government so they can give it to other people simply because of the decisions those people have made ...<br><br>And I don't mean to sound callous, but a coworker of mine who earns the same as I do has four kids and a house - those were all decisions made by him and his family ... can anybody explain why I get to pay him money for that?<br><br>***matt<br><br>"Nothing says 'obey me!' like a bloody head on a fencepost ..."
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>And I don't mean to sound callous, but a coworker of mine who earns the same as I do has four kids and a house - those were all decisions made by him and his family ... can anybody explain why I get to pay him money for that?<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>Because, "It Takes a Village". <br><br>Or more kids, more potential house buyers and more insurance sales. It's a conspiracy by the real estate, banking and insurance industries and their powerful lobbies.<br><br><br>drjohn<br>[i]My photographs[i]
_________________________ Old farts, the hidden caulk of civilization. Jim Atkinson
Let me put it to you this way without even knowing all the tax laws, I am not a CPA.<br><br>Look at it this way.<br>Public schools are passing onto the parents more and more of the cost for education.<br><br>Parents now have to pay for books, excursions and even paper - school lunch is now 40 bucks a month, thats 2 bucks compared to my days at 25 cents per lunch meal, all done by a school type credit card.<br><br>Anyway the education for public is all screwed up - the schools are passing more and more cost onto the parents ----- the Educators are free but all learning materials are not. Poor parents are hard hit<br><br>Then with this year round school system is even more of a FART> Educators have more time off and so does the kids<br><br>Child care enters the picture.<br>Summer fun for the kids is a whooooping 800 big ones --- or Mom or Dad stays home from work witch = cost more lost money.<br><br>This plan does not help the POOR -- the cut off tax bracket is above those that really need it. In short the working Poor that make less then 20K a year and being a single parent --- don't see a dime.<br><br>
Those are good points, Carp, schools charge some things to the parents directly...and more so now than in the past. Perhaps the reason for that is that tax dollars are going less into education and more into something else, therefore someone has to pick up the bill (parents).<br><br>So, the best way to fix this problem with funding schools would be to shunt more tax money to education and less to *your least favorite program*.<br><br>But, what you said still doesn't justify the orginal issue, I think. I have no problem contributing tax dollars to educate other people's children, but why should I pay more than them? Ask yourself this question. Should you be required to pay more local taxes because you don't use the local library??<br><br>If parents are being asked to pay more and more for their child's education that has to do with how the government is spending the tax dollars, not how they are collecting it.<br><br>
Tax dollars for edu<br><br>Is not for the Feds to decide. Here<br>The Feds give some dollars for education as a "incentive" for states to reach a goal in education. Test results<br><br>That money then goes into a general fund at the state level and is never given to the schools. Its then spent somewhere else like road work. The Feds never fund a public shool directly - its all state.<br><br>Should you be required to pay more local taxes because you don't use the local library??<br><br>What??? Are you saying that librays should charge a cover charge when you walk in?? A library is at the state level and never have been a Fed one.<br><br>As for the local tax thingy for edu<br><br>I don't mind paying the tax<br>So long as I can see the dividends.<br><br>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>What??? Are you saying that librays should charge a cover charge when you walk in?? A library is at the state level and never have been a Fed one.<p><hr></blockquote><p>No. You missed my point, it was strictly an analogy, not about which heirarchy of government that pays for it.<br><br>No, I definitely do not think you should be charged a fee when you walk-in to use a library, so why should you pay a fee for not walking in? I'm being charged a fee (indirectly) for not having kids. Shouldn't we all be charged the same, and then be allowed to choose what we want to do? (like Six_of_one's post)<br><br>
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