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The Rotten Apple Software thread. #626372 01/06/15 06:59 PM
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Apple has long marketed its products as easy-to-use and bug-free with the "it just works" slogan. Arment notes that the motto was "never completely true," but Apple products are now operating far from that goal.

We've all expressed the same concerns, hope Apple takes note of public opinion.

How much of that close to 200B in cash would it take to have a top notch R&D department that they could use as a selling point.

But what do I know. smirk

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Agreed. The thrill of Yosemite has worn off. Now I'd like something that works, please. whistle

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Eh, IMO a terribly written column with innuendos but no facts.

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Arment, who is the host of the popular Accidental Tech Podcast, said his Mac is "riddled with embarrassing bugs and fundamental regressions."
He said that Mac users used to make fun of Windows for the same bugs.


Hey buddy, how about providing more information than that?

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Eh, IMO a terribly written column with innuendos but no facts.

Hey buddy, how about providing more information than that?
He provided plenty of information. Maybe it's because you're busy that you didn't follow any of the links in his article, or the links within the links. Even without those I wouldn't have posted that if I didn't concur.

On the average over the last 20 years I've worked on more different Macs, PCs, operating systems and digital devices in a week than the average user does in a lifetime. I've seen a trend since Jobs started getting out of the picture.

I still prefer Apple's products, their hardware is very reliable compared to any other. Software related though I've seen a decline in the finished product post Jobs.

What do I know though. smirk

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As long as my non-Apple apps work, I'm okay with it.
It's the Apple apps I gots a problem with.
I'm not buying a new computer just to be able to use Handoff. Or spend hours trying to figure out why AirDrop doesn't work as advertised. Or why preferences change for no reason. None of them are show-stoppers, but it makes me have to remember a fix from months ago… tongue

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You are right Jim, I didn't click the links and I wonder how many others didn't. For me, the article should have everything, not just links for others to follow. Makes for a poorly written article.

In fact, the author even had an update on his blog which included this:
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Instead of what was intended to be constructive criticism of the most influential company in my life, I handed the press more poorly written fuel to hamfistedly stab Apple with my name and reputation behind it. And my name will be on that forever.

Had I known that it would go as far as it did, I never would have written it.


That said, the links he posted included:
iOS 8.0.1 bug, which was fixed 2 days later. That was a QC issue and I agree...shouldn't have been an issue if they tested everything, but considering that this is version 8 and exactly how many "bugs" were there since the beginning? Not that many if I recall correctly. And to fix it in 2 days is pretty quick.


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According to open source software company Red Hat, it affects any device that uses the operating system Linux -- which includes everything from calculators to cars. But it also affects Apple (AAPL, Tech30) Macs and some Windows and IBM machines. Google (GOOG) said no Android machines are susceptible.

This wasn't an Apple only thing and so it was fixed quickly.


3rd link is about Bluetooth and the iPhone 6, not iOS8:
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The problem seems to be confined to the iPhone 6 alone -- not the new iOS 8 software recently pushed out by Apple. Drivers say their updated iPhone 5's and 5S phones work fine, but their iPhone 6's don't.



There was one thing on his blog that I do agree with:
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The problem seems to be quite simple: they’re doing too much, with unrealistic deadlines.

We don’t need major OS releases every year. We don’t need each OS release to have a huge list of new features. We need our computers, phones, and tablets to work well first so we can enjoy new features released at a healthy, gradual, sustainable pace.



I'm not going to click links within links to read about something that he should have summarized in his article. It's just lazy writing to just put links in.

But, none of the above even touched on what I posted above and he put in that blog post:

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Arment, who is the host of the popular Accidental Tech Podcast, said his Mac is "riddled with embarrassing bugs and fundamental regressions."
He said that Mac users used to make fun of Windows for the same bugs.


No links or facts to back that up. Not even screenshots.

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BTW, I'm not saying everything is perfect. I'm just saying that article is a poorly written one.

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Originally Posted By: Acumowchek
As long as my non-Apple apps work, I'm okay with it.
It's the Apple apps I gots a problem with.
I'm not buying a new computer just to be able to use Handoff. Or spend hours trying to figure out why AirDrop doesn't work as advertised. Or why preferences change for no reason. None of them are show-stoppers, but it makes me have to remember a fix from months ago… tongue


Businesses need people to keep purchasing stuff from them. And Handoff is a cool feature that probably requires some hardware (or software that old hardware can't handle/run). I don't blame them making us get new computers for this.

Airdrop has worked great for me. First I have heard of you having problems with it. Post about it in the Software section or somewhere else and let's see if we can figure it out.

As far as Preferences changing....are you talking System Prefs? Only difference that I notice is that they took away the "view all" option when you select a single pref.

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My 2011 iMac doesn't have the required Bluetooth for Handoff.
AirDrop works with local Macs in the vicinity, but with my iPhone? Sometimes it works, most times, not. Following tips on the forums, I've had to do things like change my Apple ID, then change it back, reboot both devices, switch between "everyone", "contacts only" and "off". Occasionally, these workarounds help.
My main preferences beef is, my Epson printer will default back to factory settings every time I turn it on. Yes, that is an Epson problem. Illustrator has had settings problems, and the only way to fix it was trashing the prefs. This didn't happen with Mavericks.

Bottom line? One of these days I've got to do a clean install! grin

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Bugs or user error? That is the question.
Remember the uproar over the change to OS X? wink

I have had no problems with iOS8 and my 6+. I can't vouch for any Mac OS iteration past Lion, though (hardware age).


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Originally Posted By: MacBozo
I have had no problems with iOS8 and my 6+
Have to get around to getting one of those soon. Was waiting for the dust to settle. grin

They seemed to have fixed a lot of the slowness on my 4S with iOS 8.1.2. I'm such a cheap bastige and the battery still goes the day unless I'm a Chatty Cathy so I've been in no hurry.

I do remote in to clients occasionally through the phone so the extra screen space would be nice. Guess I should pull the trigger.

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Originally Posted By: MacBozo
Bugs or user error? That is the question.
Remember the uproar over the change to OS X? wink
True. I whined but I had spent the last 8 years or so learning to service OS 7-9, so I had to retrain myself. I got over it. grin

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I have to admit, though, they did some pretty stupid stuff in the dumbing down of things like iMovie, etc.

I'm still using this one:



I've had the opportunity to try to use later versions, but I found them to be user unfriendly at the least.

I also have this version as a fall back:



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They dumbed down Pages 5 also, they give it as a free upgrade in Mavericks from v.4 but...

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1659747

I've reverted quite few people back to iWork '09.

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Please Jim.. no links. Don't be lazy.. post here what the link says...

wink wink. Just kidding John.

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:P

a forum is one thing, but to write a blog for others to read then it should be more professional IMO.

BTW Jim and Curtis,
I meant to say that I don't think that Apple's products and software are perfect by any means. I have run into glitches too...one that continually bugs me is rotating the iPhone 6 from portrait to landscape and how the screen doesn't move. I end up having to turn it back, tap it on the screen, and then rotate it.

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That hasn't happened on my 6+. Sometimes, it is a little too quick to rotate and I'm looking at things sideways. laugh


Re: The Rotten Apple Software thread. [Re: Reboot] #627180 02/08/15 01:43 AM
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This is now the official Rotten Apple Software thread. All that money and they can't just make it work, like the Jeff Goldblum ads touted.

I signed up here because they offer 50G free as compared to DropBox.

When I go to the web interface I see this.



Safari lacks the HTML5 features MEGA relies on to perform client-side in-browser cryptography. HTML5 file transfers will be emulated through a very limited Flash workaround. Please consider upgrading to a modern browser at your earliest convenience.

So with probably 200B in the bank they still don't have a secure modern browser, serious?

Rotten Apple Software.

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Originally Posted By: MacBozo
Bugs or user error? That is the question.
Remember the uproar over the change to OS X? wink
Not user error, not third-party errors, I'm talking bugs in Apple's software, watering them down, and then not releasing a finished/modern product. Why is it you use an older iMovie.

They probably have 200B in cash. Spend some of that on a world class R&D department they could brag about.

I'll post more here as they come up in my travels. smirk

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And there's the irony. Steve said that Flash was a big bag of hurt. But Safari still doesn't support HTML 5. WTF?

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R&D.
That's what I don't get. Apple spent much less than MS during Steve's return.
"Invest in R&D when the economy is down", or something like that.
Apple is now the richest corp in the world.
The days when I used to get excited for an update are long gone.

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Roger that. That's why I'm still on Snow Leopard on my 2 main machines.
Only upgrading since Safari is forcing me to... and another couple of reasons.
Mavericks on the 3 other Macs.

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But Safari still doesn't support HTML 5. WTF?

Safari does support HTML5, just not every feature of it ...

HTML5test.com scores Safari at 396 out of a possible 555 points, which is second-to-last, beating out only IE in terms of feature support. Not a great showing, but HTML5 *is* supported, at least to an extent ...

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Yeah.. I went back and reread that after I posted.. but thought.. Meh, they'll know what I meant.
Suck ass performance from the company that bashed Flash and thereby implied HTML 5 was the future.

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Originally Posted By: six_of_one
Safari does support HTML5, just not every feature of it ...

HTML5test.com scores Safari at 396 out of a possible 555 points, which is second-to-last, beating out only IE in terms of feature support. Not a great showing, but HTML5 *is* supported, at least to an extent ...
For Apple being the pioneers of wanting to dump Flash, at one point Jobs said that Flash caused something like 80% of the crashes in Safari, it's ironic that they rate that low. Not very impressed with development when companies with much less in resources can make a much better product.

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Originally Posted By: Reboot
Not very impressed with development when companies with much less in resources can make a much better product.

I wonder if some of that has to do with Apple developing so many different pieces of software, in addition to the OS itself. Is it coincidental that the only browser that has worse support is made by the only other company on the list that develops a desktop OS, among other things?

Regardless, "Jack of all trades, master of none," certainly comes to mind regarding Apple software these days. Maybe they should split the software and hardware sides into separate companies? Or, maybe at least the "pro" apps, so that software doesn't go completely down the tubes ...

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Originally Posted By: six_of_one
Regardless, "Jack of all trades, master of none," certainly comes to mind regarding Apple software these days. Maybe they should split the software and hardware sides into separate companies? Or, maybe at least the "pro" apps, so that software doesn't go completely down the tubes ...
Granted a lot of it is probably shielded off shore, but IMO they need to spend some of that $200B they've collected from us, to make this stuff "just work."

Whether it involves separate divisions like you mentioned, or just a better R&D I don't know, but as one that deals with a wide variety of their products on a daily basis, "ain't it time somebody finally does somethin'" is my opinion.

I just feel that we're all kind of being taken for a ride with them not investing more of our dollars back into the product.

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Then again.. if it all just worked... what the hell are you gonna do? LOL.... cool

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Hey, at least they're putting more effort into Politically Correct Emoji. crazy

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Originally Posted By: NucleusG4
Then again.. if it all just worked... what the hell are you gonna do? LOL.... cool
Be careful what you wish for, huh? smirk

I would just have to work on more Windows machines. sick

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Originally Posted By: Acumowchek
Hey, at least they're putting more effort into Politically Correct Emoji. crazy
Now that was good. The comments are right on. If you click on View All at the top of Comments it takes you to the forums page. A lot of posters feel the same, lets just make it work.

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