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#609294 - 12/28/13 01:44 AM Curiosity and old Chicago cats
Lea Offline
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Registered: 08/18/06
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Loc: Texas


I remember the passion behind electing Obama. I also remember clearly my serious reservations. Sure, I'll go there. I figured he'd get elected ~ not because he was remotely qualified. He wasn't. White liberal guilt . . . whatever. We went there, discussed that.

So, have any of y'all changed your opinion about his abilities? Any second thoughts about your votes?

My answers really do disappoint me. I wanted it to work in spite of my cynicism ~

No.

And No. I would have stayed home rather than vote for McCain or Mitt. I cannot tell you how disappointed I was both times, but I did my duty.

He can't run again, but if he could? I would stay home even with Cruz on the ticket. That's how convinced I am that Obama is total presidential fail. OK, so either of my dogs could lick Cruz's ass and still run this country. I'm safe wink

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#609295 - 12/28/13 01:59 AM Re: Curiosity and old Chicago cats [Re: Lea]
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Registered: 04/21/02
Posts: 17704
Loc: Pinellas Park, Florida
With a controlling faction in Congress committed to making Obama "fail" at every turn, no one could have been very successful in that office.

Domestic policy has been stymied continually by a do nothing Congress.

Foreign policy, however, has been rock solid and much improved over GW's shoot first and we'll sort out the bodies later.

Obama's first mistake was assuming that the opposition would actually work with him.

So, I lay pretty much all of the blame on Congress.

Oh, and name me anyone who was/is qualified to be the President of the USA before they actually hold the office.
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#609296 - 12/28/13 02:17 AM Re: Curiosity and old Chicago cats [Re: MacBozo]
Acumowchek Offline
Is this thing on?

Registered: 12/30/07
Posts: 4208
Loc: Petaluma, CA
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…name me anyone who was/is qualified to be the President of the USA before they actually hold the office.


Well said.

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#609297 - 12/28/13 02:52 AM Re: Curiosity and old Chicago cats [Re: Lea]
MrB Offline
I invented modding!

Registered: 08/28/03
Posts: 9722
Loc: SE Kansas
My take on his presidency . I vowed to myself to stay away from this but will just give my sense of it. I voted for him the first time but not the second. I wanted him to do well. I still think he was a great choice to be the first African-American to be president. Well educated, well spoken. Easy to lock at . No skeletons in the closet. Nothing for him to apologize for.

But he had some people wanting him to fail. The republicans and some politically powerful democrats ( one of the most was a woman who he appointed to a high office)

In the whole of it I just have the feeling that he is a good guy who got in over his head in becoming president

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#609298 - 12/28/13 03:19 AM Re: Curiosity and old Chicago cats [Re: Lea]
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Nothing comes of nothing.

Registered: 05/25/01
Posts: 30520
Loc: PA, USA
I'm disappointed in Obama. I expected that, if nothing else, he'd be able to communicate effectively--and given the Congressional realities, that's about all he could do. But no, he has not communicated well. I think he has failed to lead, and I mean that he has not taken the time to talk to the people, to use the bully pulpit. I agree with much of what Michael says--but still would have expected a more proactive approach to governance.

I think the whole medical insurance thing is a case in point, and I've said so in other threads. The Reps did all that they could to force a change that is almost as bad as what it replaced. And then they did everything they could to prevent that bad model from succeeding. But I think it was Obama's responsibility to argue for something that would have been simpler and would have worked more efficiently and effectively. Even if it had not passed, making the argument would have been a good thing for the country. But no, Obama chose to give in to the fear-mongering of the Reps, who branded him a socialist. What the heck--they branded him a socialist anyway!

So disappointed, absolutely. Better than having had a Pres. McCain or Pres. Romney? Selfishly, yes. Politically, no. The Reps would have owned the economic mess. It would have meant even more suffering for people (that's the selfish part), but politically speaking the Reps might never have come back from that experience.
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#609299 - 12/28/13 03:22 AM Re: Curiosity and old Chicago cats [Re: Lea]
yoyo52 Offline
Nothing comes of nothing.

Registered: 05/25/01
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Loc: PA, USA
Oh, and I also think that Obama is far too moderate. I expected a leftward leaning dude, and we got at best a middle of the roader. Clinton and the New Democrats have a lot to answer for, IMHO.
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#609300 - 12/28/13 03:55 AM Re: Curiosity and old Chicago cats [Re: Lea]
Acumowchek Offline
Is this thing on?

Registered: 12/30/07
Posts: 4208
Loc: Petaluma, CA
I've become tired of wishing that one of our "leaders" will do anything for the love of the common person.

Too late tomorrow…

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#609301 - 12/28/13 04:20 AM Re: Curiosity and old Chicago cats [Re: Lea]
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I invented modding!

Registered: 11/04/02
Posts: 20167
Loc: Lindale, TX (Tyler)
No regrets on the vote...

{ NOT directed and any individual}
The Dem's coulda put up a dog and I'd voted the same. McLame and Romney... no way. You buy into the whole GOP + the TP with them... if you elect either!!! mad I'd take a poor progressive over more Bush conservatism any DAMM DAY !! The GOTP has been wrong on every issue... they wanted austerity like Europe - thank God we didn't give it totally to them... we're coming back NOW because we didn't listen to their BULLSHEITE !! ... anyone follow Krugman ?
What we need is infrastructure investment - NOW !!!

BO- the man- yes - I AM disappointed... last year, he should come out swinging and pushing them as hard as JFK would have..."don't give them 1 nm !!" PUSH - using the bully pulpit like never before... never let anyone doubt what the GOTP would do given the chance. "You" think 1 million losing unemployment Jan 1st is bad... it's a picnic to what they'd do ! "You" think it's bad now - it'd be 10X worse with any of the GOP running the show. They'd Fsck over what's left of the middle class and the poor like they were a 15 yr old virgin ! Just listen to the madness over at Fox, and Rush, and Hannity, and Beck and about 50% for the elected GOP including our own rabid skunks Ghomert, & Cruz. Yes I'm not thrilled, but I'm not scared shiiteless either by some of the madness I see ! I prey it's never released... it'll make you want GW back !! eek

BO is afraid to "get angry" because he knows the TP and Fox will hit on "the angry blackman" -- OK I can see that, but he can get much more SERIOUS and STERN wo showing anger ! GET SERIOUS , Mr President ! and really start 'fighting" for your beliefs.. get on the OFFENSIVE game !!
.. the GOP plays lousy defense !! smirk

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#609303 - 12/28/13 04:39 AM Re: Curiosity and old Chicago cats [Re: Lea]
Lea Offline
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Registered: 08/18/06
Posts: 10539
Loc: Texas


Whoa! Surprised at the responses. I especially appreciate the respect and such.

Gentlemen? We'll live to debate another day.

Scary, huh?

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#609304 - 12/28/13 04:53 AM Re: Curiosity and old Chicago cats [Re: Lea]
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Nothing comes of nothing.

Registered: 05/25/01
Posts: 30520
Loc: PA, USA
Originally Posted By: Lea

Gentlemen? We'll live to debate another day.



Hope you're right cause the alternative ain't worth a bucket of spit. Or is that being VP? I get so mixed up.
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