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#606205 - 11/06/13 07:09 PM Obamacare "victims?"
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Have you seen the retractions by some of those so called "victims" once they actually learn about their options in the ACA? grin
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#606208 - 11/06/13 07:20 PM Re: Obamacare "victims?" [Re: MacBozo]
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NO, not yet, care to post some, Sherlock ? smirk

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#606212 - 11/06/13 07:36 PM Re: Obamacare "victims?" [Re: MacBozo]
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The most "famous" one

A broader debunking

Another


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#606222 - 11/06/13 09:12 PM Re: Obamacare "victims?" [Re: MacBozo]
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The site launch screw-ups are, IMHO, inexcusable — though we're learning that House Repugnicans found ways to choke off dollars that was intended for development.

But what was even a bigger mistake was the messaging around the "keep what you like" promise. Just as any other marketer of medical or pharmaceutical products, Obama and all of his messengers should have stated a clear disclaimer explaining how policies that don't meet the new criteria would be replaced with better products that could cost the same or less depending upon one's subsidy eligibility.

Even though it's an acceptable response to the unfortunate outcry from the misinformed, it would have been more effective stated up front instead of after the sh¡t hit the fan.

The GOP deserves credit (not in a good way) for doing a workmanlike job of fouling the story.
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#606229 - 11/06/13 10:50 PM Re: Obamacare "victims?" [Re: steveg]
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But what was even a bigger mistake was the messaging around the "keep what you like" promise. Just as any other marketer of medical or pharmaceutical products, Obama and all of his messengers should have stated a clear disclaimer explaining how policies that don't meet the new criteria would be replaced with better products that could cost the same or less depending upon one's subsidy eligibility.


It's a strong media talking point pushed by the right that's working against the ACA in a big way. Likewise, it's the media arguing on the side of the insurance corporations, because they can be trusted much more than the President. <bleh>


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57610109/obama-stands-by-promise-that-you-can-keep-your-plan/

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If you had one of these substandard plans before the Affordable Care Act became law, and you liked that plan, you were able to keep it," the president said in Boston


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Now that the new Obamacare insurance marketplaces are opening, at least 2 million people are getting notices in the mail informing them that they can no longer keep their existing plans. Plans are being canceled if they fail to meet the health care law's 10 minimum standards, including maternity care, emergency visits, mental health treatment and even pediatric dental care.

The dropped plans seemingly violate Mr. Obama's 2009 campaign pledge that, "If you have insurance that you like, then you will be able to keep that insurance."

The president said Wednesday that the notices sent to consumers suggest that they're losing their coverage "somehow because of the Affordable Care Act." He argued, however, that consumers only lost coverage if insurers altered those policies at all after the law took effect. In that case, Mr. Obama said, insurers had to "replace them with quality, comprehensive coverage."






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#606230 - 11/06/13 10:56 PM Re: Obamacare "victims?" [Re: garyW]
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How much harm can the disinformation do? If everyone must have insurance by April or whenever, I would think most people are going to at least explore their options before paying a fine. I am trying to be optimistic.

Of course I am on another country's social health insurance. All the more reason I want this little step into universal health care to last.
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#606231 - 11/06/13 10:58 PM Re: Obamacare "victims?" [Re: lanovami]
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How much more harm can the GOP/TP Congress do?

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#606232 - 11/06/13 11:04 PM Re: Obamacare "victims?" [Re: garyW]
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Fake outrage has it's use. I used to actual get angry when students blatantly shirk responsibility, due dates, class room manners... now it's just another day at the office, so I draw on my inner Pub and act (managed) outrage and I usually get results.
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#606233 - 11/06/13 11:11 PM Re: Obamacare "victims?" [Re: lanovami]
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In this situation, ACA fake outrage may likely once again, coming in February, shut down the government and threaten to default on the country's debt.
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#606234 - 11/06/13 11:17 PM Re: Obamacare "victims?" [Re: garyW]
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Hopefully things are better by then. If they are bad enough, maybe many will think a stand against ACA is justified. My instinct is that they would be shooting themselves in the foot to try such a tactic again in most any situation and I don't think they will.
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