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#598566 - 07/16/13 06:15 AM Re: Pre verdict Zimmerman case [Re: MrB]
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On an interview last night, the lead Prosecuter said he believes that George had his gun out the whole time . Man I wish he had presented evidence of this. I believe the jurors might have considered that.

But he didnt. Why not. Why does he believe this then?

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#598570 - 07/16/13 08:30 AM Re: Pre verdict Zimmerman case [Re: MrB]
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***Trayvon hits George at least two times. George is on ground with Trayvon on top of him.. ILLEGAL

Actually, no. Since, as you admit yourself, nobody knows anything prior to this, the circumstances -- even if Trayvon struck George sometime during the encounter, or Trayvon being on top of George (disputed) sometime during the encounter -- are in doubt. Trayvon could have as easily been defending himself as the reverse. Disputed legality.

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evidence shows Trayvon had hit George then George pled self defense in his shooting of Trayvon.

Evidence shows Trayvon may have struck George. George claims this was the reason he shot Trayvon. There is no evidence as to cause and effect -- George could have easily pulled his gun, thereby giving Trayvon reason to hit George and fight for his life. Or not. That's the problem: there's no way to prove things one way or the other, thus the not guilty verdict.

I submit that under Florida law, it's entirely possible neither of the participants did anything illegal. Which is the tragedy ... and the real threat that these kind of laws, that depend on entirely subjective and emotional perceptions, represent.

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#598571 - 07/16/13 08:36 AM Re: Pre verdict Zimmerman case [Re: MrB]
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Originally Posted By: MrB
On an interview last night, the lead Prosecuter said he believes that George had his gun out the whole time . Man I wish he had presented evidence of this. I believe the jurors might have considered that.

But he didnt. Why not. Why does he believe this then?

Dave

Probably because he had enough evidence to convince him, but not enough to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury.

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#598573 - 07/16/13 10:35 AM Re: Pre verdict Zimmerman case [Re: MrB]
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Still waiting. And I don't need to know a/b your ass crack. TMI.
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#598574 - 07/16/13 10:41 AM Re: Pre verdict Zimmerman case [Re: MrB]
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We are feeling empathy for T. Martin yet what about OJ Simpson who brutally killed these people and got acquitted on all charges against him. The Whites did not burn up cars and destroy property like we saw now in Oakland and other parts of the states.Zimmerman defended himself which he is the right thing to do if his life was confronted by T. Martin who was no angel by the way and was smoking pot that night also.

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#598578 - 07/16/13 11:22 AM Re: Pre verdict Zimmerman case [Re: six_of_one]
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I guess I should have said that evidence shows that George was hit at least two times as he had a bloody nose and a bruise near his eyebrow. Somebody hit him. Trayvon was the only other person seen there by any witness.

But George did plead self defense because of these blows. And the witnesses only saw one other there.

The jury used this sequence to base their decision . The defense didnt prove it was self defense, that the State didnt prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn't self defense. To their point of view.

But we all know this.

He certainly was convicted in the media though.

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#598579 - 07/16/13 11:28 AM Re: Pre verdict Zimmerman case [Re: MrB]
Celandine Offline
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Registered: 01/18/04
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Loc: SopranoLand

What can I say?

Blessed are the pure of heart...
...that's never witnessed prejudice first hand.

But when
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Trayvon says over phone that some Crazy ass Cracker is following him.

it may not be
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.. illegal. He can say any thing he wants and it's not illegal.

but to anyone "knowing the code", that means he's
in fear of some unidentified white guy the word,
"cracker" being code for "red-neck" which is
synonymous with the type of person that might
historically lynch or otherwise murder black men,
generally vulnerable boys... which is code for,
HE'S IN FEAR FOR HIS LIFE

which in your break-down, might not be "illegal"
but to many people, it's the justification for him
to take evasive action, run (not illegal) attempt
to hide (duck between buildings) (not illegal)
and when the "Crazy Ass Cracker" persisted in
pursuit, (legal?) take the only other option left
open in regard to "the flight or fight" response.

And here's where we enter Fuzzy Territory...

Justice Served?

Guess we'll never know.
Seems like a lot of details never found their way
into the courtroom, possibly by the machinations of
a slick lawyer who knew how to play the system.


In any case, something has to change the narrative...
...otherwise the wound will continue to fester until
the infection becomes life-threatening...
...and not just to people of color. frown

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#598580 - 07/16/13 11:38 AM Re: Pre verdict Zimmerman case [Re: Celandine]
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http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/07...defend-himself/
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#598581 - 07/16/13 11:38 AM Re: Pre verdict Zimmerman case [Re: musicalmarv7]
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From watching some talking heads, there are several that want to compare ths to other trials, Casey Anthony and OJ Simpson but also to Emmit Till from the Fifties. Other than those being murder trials each is separate.

The Michael Dunn shooting of Jordan Davis is current but has different circumstances.

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#598584 - 07/16/13 11:51 AM Re: Pre verdict Zimmerman case [Re: NucleusG4]
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Registered: 01/18/04
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Originally Posted By: NucleusG4
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/07...defend-himself/


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JUROR: That’s how we read the law. That’s how we got to the point of everybody being not guilty.


Well, that sounds fair...
...Trayvon was innocent too. crazy
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