Yep I agree - I think he's guilty of 2nd Degree M, but they won't convict him of that and settle for manslaughter. I'd be shocked (and grossly disappointed) if he got completely off. Furthermore the Stand you ground could have easily worked for Martin as Zimmerman, after all WHO had the gun ? Travon had what? candy and a drink ! WOOOO , sooo threatening !!
#598267 - 07/12/1312:44 PMRe: Pre verdict Zimmerman case
[Re: garyW]
yoyo52 Nothing comes of nothing.
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I know the stand your ground idiocy wasn't part of the defense in the trial--but I have a question that has puzzled me all along. Wouldn't one say that Trayvon himself had the right to stand his ground, so that if he felt threatened by the creepy guy following him, he had every right to defend himself as violently as he thought necessary? If he had had a gun, wouldn't the stand your ground law have allowed him to blow Zimmerman away because Zimmerman was threatening him?
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I think that's the biggest flaw with the "Stand your Ground" law when it applies anywhere- anyplace ... if it were limited to your home, there'd be no question who had the right !! In this case, EITHER could use it !! DUH !!! Stupid legislators !!
#598272 - 07/12/1301:40 PMRe: Pre verdict Zimmerman case
[Re: yoyo52]
garyW
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Originally Posted By: yoyo52
I know the stand your ground idiocy wasn't part of the defense in the trial--but I have a question that has puzzled me all along. Wouldn't one say that Trayvon himself had the right to stand his ground, so that if he felt threatened by the creepy guy following him, he had every right to defend himself as violently as he thought necessary? If he had had a gun, wouldn't the stand your ground law have allowed him to blow Zimmerman away because Zimmerman was threatening him?
Why? Because he's a young black male.
The Defense's final statement told us that regardless of GZ's concealed gun, Trayvon brandished a bigger, a deadlier weapon. The sidewalk. <dramatic chunk of concrete in tow>.
#598278 - 07/12/1302:54 PMRe: Pre verdict Zimmerman case
[Re: Leslie]
yoyo52 Nothing comes of nothing.
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I haven't followed the court shenanigans at all, but from what I read in the newspaper, I have to agree with Leslie. Enough shadows of doubts to make it not guilty.
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