WHERE are all the "good guys with guns" to prevent this mass carnage ??
WTF are they ? We have > 300 MILLION guns in the USA , yet 1 can't stop the carnage... And it not just today - it goes on day after day after day and very, very rarely is a "Good gun" there to stop it !!
If a good guy is there to prevent a mass shooting, then there's no "news". If a good guy is there to stop a mass shooting then there are already a number of wounded/dead before the stoppage happens - but these incidents tend to make at least local news. But while there are 300 million guns in the USA, there is no guarantee that there is 1 within 100yds of any crime involving a firearm, in the possession of a good guy who is prepared to intervene.
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#591675 - 03/14/1310:57 AMRe: OK NRA ... riddle me this?
[Re: DLC]
steveg
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That's not entirely true. Stick an otoscope into the ear of Wayne LaPierre and you will see literally thousands of heavily-armed good guys blowing the heads off of bad guys like a scene out of Walking Dead! That's once you clear the bats and spiders out of your line of site, of course.
If a good guy is there to prevent a mass shooting, then there's no "news". If a good guy is there to stop a mass shooting then there are already a number of wounded/dead before the stoppage happens - but these incidents tend to make at least local news. But while there are 300 million guns in the USA, there is no guarantee that there is 1 within 100yds of any crime involving a firearm, in the possession of a good guy who is prepared to intervene.
So... by this reasoning... we should arm more people with guns? What's left.. our children? Oh.. I see... we should all carry them with us and not leave them at home. If the guys running the car wash would have had some guns strapped then this would have turned out ok. === Actually.. your statement above completely renders the "good guy" argument as baloney. "But while there are 300 million guns in the USA, there is no guarantee that there is 1 within 100yds of any crime involving a firearm, in the possession of a good guy who is prepared to intervene."
#591686 - 03/14/1304:06 PMRe: OK NRA ... riddle me this?
[Re: steveg]
yoyo52 Nothing comes of nothing.
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Didn't they try that every-man-armed approach back in the Wild West? Worked real well then, from what I hear. And then there's Switzerland, where every man is armed. Oh, sorry, that's because in Switzerland every man has been required to join the Swiss armed forces, after which every Swiss man belongs to a well-regulated militia. Heck--maybe we should try that! Conscript every American at age 18, force them all into the armed forces, then force them all to be in a National Guard type of militia. That would be so very constitutionally freedom-inspiring!
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If a good guy is there to prevent a mass shooting, then there's no "news". If a good guy is there to stop a mass shooting then there are already a number of wounded/dead before the stoppage happens - but these incidents tend to make at least local news. But while there are 300 million guns in the USA, there is no guarantee that there is 1 within 100yds of any crime involving a firearm, in the possession of a good guy who is prepared to intervene.
So... by this reasoning... we should arm more people with guns? What's left.. our children? Oh.. I see... we should all carry them with us and not leave them at home. If the guys running the car wash would have had some guns strapped then this would have turned out ok. === Actually.. your statement above completely renders the "good guy" argument as baloney. "But while there are 300 million guns in the USA, there is no guarantee that there is 1 within 100yds of any crime involving a firearm, in the possession of a good guy who is prepared to intervene."
Kind of my point, a bad guy shooter makes headline news because he successfully killed/injured at least one person. If he's apprehended by a cop, or is confronted by a good guy, then he doesn't get to shoot his target and it's local news at best. Once a bad guy shooter gets started, there is a victim count which rises until an intervention occurs and/or the shooter takes the easy way out. It's not so much a question of where the good guy was when the shooting started, but how quickly they reacted and how many more they prevented from being victims.
_________________________ I used to think it was terrible that life was unfair. Then I thought what if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen came because we really deserved them? Now I take comfort in the general unfairness and hostility of the universe.
#591703 - 03/14/1311:01 PMRe: OK NRA ... riddle me this?
[Re: Llewelyn]
MacBozo Nut Dood
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It is not a valid argument. If a "bad guy" bursts in shooting with a semi-automatic weapon, is the "good guy" going to request that he stop shooting until the "good guy" can get his weapon?
No, hence the OP statement that nobody was available to prevent 4 folks from being shot at barber shop-car wash is, in my opinion, a bad premise to support the argument that since 4 people were shot we shouldn't allow good guys to be armed, as they're not effective enough to prevent every shooting - at least that was my take on the OP, maybe I misunderstood.
_________________________ I used to think it was terrible that life was unfair. Then I thought what if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen came because we really deserved them? Now I take comfort in the general unfairness and hostility of the universe.
#591713 - 03/15/1301:45 AMRe: OK NRA ... riddle me this?
[Re: Llewelyn]
MacBozo Nut Dood
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Loc: Pinellas Park, Florida
I don't know of anyone who just sits around with their weapon fully loaded, ready to fire 24/7 just in case a bad guy shows up. The police don't even do that.
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