my link is now fixed...i clicked on edit and it was correctly displayed so i hit enter without changing anything and it works. weird. oh well.<br><br>anyway, i am quite confused...first, it's chimera, then netscape, and now mozilla. i realize they are all related, but am now starting to believe that 2 or more of these are the same...what's the deal? mozilla is ready, but chimera is not or are these two the same? netscape is obviously a different beast (right?). oh, it's all so confusing. netscape is commercial, but free and the other two are open source...errr....um???<br><br>p.s. as for my link...i don't think they test on macs at all...i'll bet they don't care. i work at this university and know that they use PCs over in the website development department. i try and keep them aware of us. ;-)<br><br>[color:blue] -sean</font color=blue>
#5919 - 04/28/0204:47 AMRe: New Chimera and new OW out
Mozilla, Netscape 6 and Chimera use Mozilla's Gecko rendering engine. So, websites look the same on those 3, except very rare fsckups with their own browser code, etc.<br><br>Someone has already written the essay I was gonna write.<br><br>That someone is Tim Berners-Lee--Inventor of the Internet.<br><br>http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Semantic.html<br><br>http://www.scientificamerican.com/2001/0501issue/0501berners-lee.html<br><br>Lame a$$ Scientific American made their article pay (costs $5). Talk about free information over the Internet. But, I guess that's because it was one of the most read article, ever.<br><br>--<br>I am dangerous. I am Dyslexic of Borg. Fusistance is retile. Your a$$ will be laminated.
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>they use PCs over in the website development department<p><hr></blockquote><p>In my experience, that's the norm. Virtually all serious web development, in this neck of the woods at least, is carried out on PeeSees. The reasons why are obvious. What I don't understand is why there appears to be little or no Mac compatibility testing done on a lot of quite hi traffic type sites.<br><br>Just because you develop on a PeeSee, doesn't excuse you from the task of ensuring a positive experience for those who don't use PeeSees for web surfing for whatever reason.<br><br>Madness.<br><br>
#5922 - 04/28/0209:00 AMRe: New Chimera and new OW out
Right, get them to test on Macs too and as many browsers as possible. I do website testing as part of my work as a QA Engineeer and I also test all code changes on Macs as well as PCs. No reason stuff like this should work on a Mac too. We do treat Macs differently where I work, in that some things are no meant to work on Macs, but then we make provisions in the ASP code to detect Macs and Netscape browsers. <br><br>I hand coded my geocites page and mouseovers work there fine in Mozilla as well as in Netscape 4.7x. <br><br>http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Bit/1947<br><br>Chimera is simply a project that was started not that long ago, thus it is not as far along as Mozilla. But, it shows great promise and the Cocoa, Aqua widgets and Quartz are part of that effort. Nice, but still kind of crashy for me.<br><br>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>What I don't understand is why there appears to be little or no Mac compatibility testing done on a lot of quite hi traffic type sites.<p><hr></blockquote><p>I can tell you the main reason that sites aren't tested on Macintoshes is due to the fact that those site designers are probably busy as hell, and the boss is screaming to get this done, or get that done... QA isn't a prioirity, so bam, its done and they move on to something new...<br><br>The main reason sites don't give a [censored] after a bad Mac experience is pointed out to them? Because their high traffic site sees relatively few Mac Users... its a cost vs. gain calculation in the decision makers head... why? because their traffic is only about 4% Macintosh users... does 4% really matter? that's the decision maker's question to himself.<br><br>So, a designer works on it as much as he can in his spare time to make things right... and he never gets around to fixing everything for every browser/OS combo... and there are a lot of them out there...<br><br>So, he decides to guarantee support for all browsers at their latest release version... and then people won't upgrade to Netscape 6.2 when you ask them too...<br><br>Its a vicious circle.<br><br><br>"Ambition is so powerful a passion in the human breast, that however high we reach, we are never satisfied."<br>-- Niccolo Machiavelli<br>
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