Okay I got it,

Not sure where I get that definition (above) from - I could swear from Wiki a few years ago ?

I heard someone say that if access to guns is meant to protect us, then we ought to be the safest country in the world. Alas, it ain't so.



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The anti gunners don't come out to say they want to take guns away , but they keep referring to other countries who they say have great gun laws. An these countries basically have done that.

Also I don't make personal posts here as It doesent serve a positive purpose , but do you think are my true colors that I've been showing. Just what do you think are my colors? I think I'm pretty open here.

Dave

I think everyone understands sarcasm.

Dave

Wonder why Mexico was excluded?

Indeed. Well enough to recognize when it's dipped in cynicism.

[quote=MrB]The anti gunners don't come out to say they want to take guns away , but they keep referring to other countries who they say have great gun laws. An these countries basically have done that.

Also I don't make personal posts here as It doesent serve a positive purpose , but do you think are my true colors that I've been showing. Just what do you think are my colors? I think I'm pretty open here.

Dave


I didn't mean to suggest that you have been hiding anything... it was just an expression.
But your responses seem a bit on the extreme side.
I don't think you see anyone in here advocating for a complete gun ban... so why such a severe, and silly, reaction.

What other countries? Britain?
Australia.
I have been referencing Australia for a while. Australia didn't ban guns.. just certain ones and limited others. We don't have to do exactly what they did... but enacting stricter control on guns will be a positive measure for our society.

From Wiki:

Current Australian firearm laws

State laws govern the possession and use of firearms in Australia. These laws were largely aligned under the 1996 National Agreement on Firearms. Anyone wishing to possess or use a firearm must have a Firearms Licence and, with some exceptions, be over the age of 18. Owners must have secure storage for their firearms.

Before someone can buy a firearm, he or she must obtain a Permit To Acquire. The first permit has a mandatory 28-day delay before it is first issued. In some states (e.g., Queensland, Victoria, and New South Wales), this is waived for second and subsequent firearms of the same class. For each firearm a "Genuine Reason" must be given, relating to pest control, hunting, target shooting, or collecting. Self-defense is not accepted as a reason for issuing a license, even though it may be legal under certain circumstances to use a legally held firearm for self-defense.[2]

Each firearm in Australia must be registered to the owner by serial number. Some states allow an owner to store or borrow another person's registered firearm of the same category.

[edit]Firearms categories
Firearms in Australia are grouped into Categories determined by the National Firearm Agreement with different levels of control. The categories are:

Category A: Rimfire rifles (not semi-automatic), shotguns (not pump-action or semi-automatic), air rifles, and paintball markers. A "Genuine Reason" must be provided for a Category A firearm.
Category B: Centrefire rifles (not semi-automatic), muzzleloading firearms made after 1 January 1901. Apart from a "Genuine Reason", a "Genuine Need" must be demonstrated, including why a Category A firearm would not be suitable.
Category C: Semi-automatic rimfire rifles holding 10 or fewer rounds and pump-action or semi-automatic shotguns holding 5 or fewer rounds. Category C firearms are strongly restricted: only primary producers, occupational shooters, collectors and some clay target shooters can own functional Category C firearms.
Category D: Semi-automatic centrefire rifles, pump-action or semi-automatic shotguns holding more than 5 rounds. Functional Category D firearms are restricted to government agencies and a few occupational shooters. Collectors may own deactivated Category D firearms.
Category H: Handguns including air pistols and deactivated handguns. (Albeit both SA and WA do not require deactivated handguns to be regarded as handguns after the deactivation process has taken place. This situation was the catalyst in QLD for the deactivation and diversion of thousands of handguns to the black-market – the loophole shut since 2001) This class is available to target shooters. To be eligible for a Category H firearm, a target shooter must serve a probationary period of six months using club handguns, and a minimum number of matches yearly to retain each category of handgun.
These categories – A,B,C,D and H were those determined by the NFA. The others listed here are determined by the states that have implement them at their own discretion.

Target shooters are limited to handguns of .38 or 9mm calibre or less and magazines may hold a maximum of 10 rounds. Participants in certain "approved" pistol competitions may acquire handguns up to .45", currently Single Action Shooting and Metallic Silhouette. IPSC shooting is approved for 9mm/.38/.357 handguns that meet the IPSC rules, but larger calibres are not approved for IPSC handgun shooting contests. Category H barrels must be at least 100mm (3.94") long for revolvers, and 120mm (4.72") for semi-automatic pistols unless the pistols are clearly ISSF target pistols: magazines are restricted to 10 rounds. Handguns held as part of a collection were exempted from these limits.
Category R/E: Restricted weapons: machine guns, rocket launchers, assault rifles, flame-throwers, anti-tank guns, Howitzers, artillery, etc. can be owned by collectors in some states provided that these weapons have been rendered permanently inoperable. They are subject to the same storage and licensing requirements as fully functioning firearms.
Certain Antique firearms can in some states be legally held without licences. In other states they are subject to the same requirements as modern firearms.

All single-shot muzzleloading firearms manufactured before 1 January 1901 are considered antique firearms. Four states require licences for antique percussion revolvers and cartridge repeating firearms, but in Queensland and Victoria a person may possess such a firearm without a licence, so long as the firearm is registered (percussion revolvers require a license in Victoria).

Australia has very tight restrictions on items which are far less controlled in comparable societies such as the UK. Air pistols, elsewhere unrestricted, are as difficult to get as centrefire and rimfire handguns, and low-powered airguns are as difficult as cartridge arms to license. Airsoft guns are banned in all states and non-firing replicas banned in most. Suppressors (or 'silencers') which are legal in the UK and New Zealand, are extremely restricted in Australia to a few government bodies.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/17/opinio...p&_r=1&

John Howard/Former PM of Australia... and how he went about it.

Again... this is not a blueprint.
But it does show favorable reason.

The chart is for "developed" countries, and I think Mexico isn't on that list.

Will be passing this on. I am curious of the reactions of a few gun rights people when I send this link to them. None probably - it's only the weaker arguments they are willing to tackle.

Thought I just had. By many measurements gun control advocates could be called pro-life and gun rights advocates could be called pro-choice. Herm..