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#587882 - 01/06/13 03:24 PM Re: Aurora again [Re: steveg]
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Actually, it makes a lot of difference.

There is a great amount of trafic going on about banning assault looking rifles and large capacity magazines and certain ammo. The reasons used are that these were instrumental in the commitment of these atrocities.

In doing my own analysis, since I have no factual information. Lanza could very well have done much the same damage with out the use of the "machine gun" many have said he used.

So I want to know, what weapon was used, what mags did he use, what ammo did he use for the carnage. I

It's not enough, to just say what "style" of gun he had there on in his car. Because of the lack of information forthcoming, and because initial reports said the Ar-15 was found in the trunk and since this information would not need to be withheld, that I'm beginning to wonder about the conspiracy theories I've been hearing about this.

I'm sure others would agree that facts should not be suppressed. Surely I can't be alone on this. Because, if I am, then this country is in trouble.

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#587886 - 01/06/13 03:57 PM Re: Aurora again [Re: MrB]
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The facts are that innocent people were killed with guns. Guns that had no business being in the hands of this person. Guns — of any f'n description — that were used, not for hunting, nor for target shooting, nor for any reason but to murder. If you're trying to make a point by splitting hairs, you're dodging the issue.

So I ask again, who gives a sh!t what kind of guns were used? And I ask, how or why did this person have access to them? Are you beginning to acknowledge the problem yet?
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#587887 - 01/06/13 05:52 PM Re: Aurora again [Re: steveg]
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Originally Posted By: steveg
So I ask again, who gives a sh!t what kind of guns were used? And I ask, how or why did this person have access to them? Are you beginning to acknowledge the problem yet?
The problem is that there are so many guns out there now how do we get them all back? It is estimated that there are around 300,000,000 guns owned by private citizens. There are more than 129,817 federally licensed firearms dealers in the United States. That train has long left the station, it's the main line of what the country was founded on, but we do need to enforce the laws we have, get rid of the gun show loophole, tighten restrictions on owning guns, limit clip size. I see no problem with private gun ownership if done right.

It's not just gun ownership, we are a violent country. This is compared to the other OECD countries. Although if you look at the graph the number of assault deaths here per 100,000 of population is almost half of what it was at its peak in the late 70s. Thanks to these intertubes we don't miss anything anymore so it seems like we are becoming more violent, also the population has increased by a third or so since then.

Of course, there's this side of the coin.

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#587888 - 01/06/13 06:20 PM Re: Aurora again [Re: Reboot]
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I don't think anyone in their right mind is thinking of getting guns back — except for the occasionally held and rarely productive public gun buy-back program. Nor is anyone suggesting the wholesale disarmament of legal gun owners. The objective is slowing the trend going forward. Deterrence through universal background checks, the banning of high capacity mags and assault weapons and other over-the-top weaponry that no one but the military needs or murders want.

As for the woman who shot the intruder, it could have just as easily gone the other way (and I've posted a/b the time I damn near shot a plain clothes cop because I thought he was a prowler). Sorry, but IMHO, that just doesn't balance the problem.
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#587891 - 01/06/13 08:50 PM Re: Aurora again [Re: steveg]
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Originally Posted By: steveg

As for the woman who shot the intruder, it could have just as easily gone the other way [snip].



You got that right!

Especially if she did not own a gun.

We must all make choices and decisions.

I respect yours, Steve.

I hold fast to my own.

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#587894 - 01/06/13 11:16 PM Re: Aurora again [Re: steveg]
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The intruder did not burst in rapid firing at everything. That's the difference.
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#587920 - 01/07/13 10:25 AM Re: Aurora again [Re: MrB]
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What are they hiding? This is a pertinent question we must find the answer to. I agree with you.

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#587927 - 01/07/13 11:51 AM Re: Aurora again [Re: musicalmarv7]
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Yeah, and I wanna know if the perp was wearing loafers or tie shoes 'cuz that's got a lot to do with the gun problem in this country, too. crazy
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#587996 - 01/08/13 03:31 PM Re: Aurora again [Re: steveg]
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Another perp plugged.
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#587998 - 01/08/13 04:30 PM Re: Aurora again [Re: Reboot]
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Murders down in NYC. They've cracked down on illegal guns. Preliminary evidence shows it works so far. 100 less murders than in 2008.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg gives much of the credit to a combination of police tactics and some of the toughest gun laws in the country.

But the crime rate is up, thanks to Apple. crazy
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