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#587999 - 01/08/13 04:45 PM Re: Aurora again [Re: Reboot]
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This is a little like climate science. One data point doesn't prove much--but cumulatively, there does seem to be a pattern, internationally anyways.
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#588000 - 01/08/13 05:07 PM Re: Aurora again [Re: Reboot]
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Yep.. there's 300+ Million guns out there. Let them stay out there, for the most part. But, if we were to heavily regulate buying guns now... eventually the numbers will fall as guns get lost, broken or even turned in.

Would your opinion be the same if they were grenade launchers?
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#588001 - 01/08/13 05:28 PM Re: Aurora again [Re: NucleusG4]
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Originally Posted By: NucleusG4
Yep.. there's 300+ Million guns out there. Let them stay out there, for the most part. But, if we were to heavily regulate buying guns now... eventually the numbers will fall as guns get lost, broken or even turned in.

Would your opinion be the same if they were grenade launchers?


WHAT!!?? you don't have an RPG at home !! Oh man . . . are you vulnerable !! eek
What kind of "safe house" do you have ?

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#588009 - 01/08/13 10:41 PM Re: Aurora again [Re: Reboot]
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You're comparing a threat by a rational person against another rational person. With the mass shootings, it was an irrational (insane) person who burst in firing at anything that moved. If that robber had simply started shooting before he ever threatened, the outcome would have been quite different.
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#588013 - 01/08/13 11:52 PM Re: Aurora again [Re: NucleusG4]
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Originally Posted By: NucleusG4
Yep.. there's 300+ Million guns out there. Let them stay out there, for the most part. But, if we were to heavily regulate buying guns now... eventually the numbers will fall as guns get lost, broken or even turned in.
I agree. I'm okay with CCW but I'm not against better regulation at all, we need more of it and we need to close the loopholes.
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Would your opinion be the same if they were grenade launchers?
Not sure where that came from or what you're getting at. confused
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#588014 - 01/09/13 12:02 AM Re: Aurora again [Re: MacBozo]
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You're comparing a threat by a rational person against another rational person
I wasn't comparing, you just read that into it I guess, just adding to the thread a different scenario, fair and balanced. Besides, robbing someone using a gun isn't rational IMO.
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If that robber had simply started shooting before he ever threatened, the outcome would have been quite different.
Well of course, but since he didn't someone having a CCW permit sure did change the outcome, it got a perp off the streets.
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#588016 - 01/09/13 12:29 AM Re: Aurora again [Re: Reboot]
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Folks have been throwing these out left and right like they were the same situation as Aurora and Newtown. Even here, they are posting a police officer or sheriff's deputy in the parking lots of schools. An insane person is going to take out the officer first. Someone who has some self-preservation thought is not going to consider it. They are there to provide a false sense of security only. It's ludicrous to suggest that someone armed could have stopped any of the mass shootings. They simply happen too suddenly and too fast.


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#588020 - 01/09/13 12:43 AM Re: Aurora again [Re: MacBozo]
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How about this solution?

We clone Arnold Schwarzenegger and post him at each school !!
Hey sounds logical to me !! 130,000 Kindergarden Cops / Terminators !! wink

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#588033 - 01/09/13 03:21 AM Re: Aurora again [Re: MacBozo]
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Originally Posted By: MacBozo
It's ludicrous to suggest that someone armed could have stopped any of the mass shootings. They simply happen too suddenly and too fast.
Newtown was 10 long minutes of horror that could have possibly been cut short.

The sad part is even having to consider guns in schools, which is how Aurora and Newtown totally differ.


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#588038 - 01/09/13 04:17 AM Re: Aurora again [Re: Reboot]
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Originally Posted By: Jim_
Originally Posted By: MacBozo
It's ludicrous to suggest that someone armed could have stopped any of the mass shootings. They simply happen too suddenly and too fast.
Newtown was 10 long minutes of horror that could have possibly been cut short.

The sad part is even having to consider guns in schools, which is how Aurora and Newtown totally differ.


Well , Columbine had and armed guard which resulted in a shoot out with one of the suspects which drove him into the library and he killed more students in there. From that point the (armed guard) waited for police to arrive. <- the guard was certainly no Rambo.

With that in mind - having 1 armed guard means (absolutely nothing) - a perp can simply walk around any guard (undercover) , more so if that guard is paid security .

Anyway I agree with you;
If ya gonna throw more guns in school , lets do it with more pro-cops - this arming liberal educators with guns is totally stupid. I can see them trying to talk first and shoot 2nd, which is to late.
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