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#587660 - 01/01/13 10:41 PM Re: The Fiscal Deal- Good or Bad? [Re: garyW]
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They will be acting out of survival! All politics is local.

Well, in order for those House members to feel threatened, their constituents would have to first a) feel the pain associated with the tax hikes, and more importantly b) snap out of their psychosis that everything bad that happens to them is all Obama's fault. I'm quite sure those House members would have no problem living with a) as long as they can successfully keep feeding b)'s gaping maw of ignorance, at which they've thus far been very, very successful ...

And unfortunately, I think the President's bully pulpit doesn't really get through much to the folks that elected the Loony Right fringe in the first place ...

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#587661 - 01/01/13 10:55 PM Re: The Fiscal Deal- Good or Bad? [Re: six_of_one]
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Nancy Pelosi just tweeted that if the Senate bill (w/o House ammendments) is brought to a vote right now she has enough dem & rep votes to pass it.

Does Boner have the balls to do that? The Speaker needs the minority leader to whip moderate republican votes! laugh Oh, the irony.




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#587663 - 01/01/13 11:02 PM Re: The Fiscal Deal- Good or Bad? [Re: six_of_one]
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Rep. James Clyburn, (D- S.C.):

"Well, I say that then we wait for the new Congress to come in on Thursday. We'll have better numbers, more members on our side," said Clyburn. "Then we offer a new bill that they will like even less. They didn't like the 450 (thousand dollar in household income) floor on the tax increase? Let's see how much they like it when we push it back down to 250 (thousand)!"


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#587664 - 01/01/13 11:03 PM Re: The Fiscal Deal- Good or Bad? [Re: garyW]
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Does Boner have the balls to do that?

Yeah, just saw that tweet -- a lifeline to the Speaker? Would an up-or-down "yes" vote bolster the more "moderate" part of the majority, potentially saving Boehner's job? Would such a vote be enough to cow the TP faction and put Cantor back in his place? Would it also mean more behind-the-scenes cooperation between Pelosi and the Speaker?

And what about ... Naomi???

As depressing as all of this is, it's also really good political theater ;-)

[popcorn]




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#587665 - 01/01/13 11:05 PM Re: The Fiscal Deal- Good or Bad? [Re: garyW]
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Today is one of those days why I love politics.

frustrating as it is, the game is it. smile
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#587666 - 01/01/13 11:14 PM Re: The Fiscal Deal- Good or Bad? [Re: garyW]
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On a broader note, as long as it's under Repugnican control, I suggest we refer to the lower chamber as the House of Reprehensitives. Members won't have to alter their title abbreviation, and — at least for a certain group — it's ever so much more descriptive than "Representative".

I'm just sayin'... grin
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#587667 - 01/01/13 11:18 PM Re: The Fiscal Deal- Good or Bad? [Re: steveg]
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So if this bill passes, what leverage do the democrats have when it comes to the debt ceiling? The republicans will turn that little impending discussion into an all-out assault on spending, and the democrats will have nothing at all for defending domestic spending.
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#587668 - 01/01/13 11:22 PM Re: The Fiscal Deal- Good or Bad? [Re: yoyo52]
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I don't think it matters what kind of bill might pass. The Repugnicans are drooling over another debt ceiling game of chicken.
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#587671 - 01/01/13 11:37 PM Re: The Fiscal Deal- Good or Bad? [Re: steveg]
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Asshat Sen. LindseyJohnGrahamMcCain said that they'll bring that fight to the Senate, dammit!
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#587678 - 01/02/13 01:13 AM Re: The Fiscal Deal- Good or Bad? [Re: six_of_one]
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The House will vote tonight on the "clean" Senate bill.

In other words, Eric Cantor's powerplay results in Eric Cantor deemed powerless. Where's FoxNews and Hannity, O'Reilly, & Gretchen to save the Teaparty tonight??!! Damn, it's late New Year's Day and everyone's watching football!
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