#557744 - 05/13/1101:13 PMRe: Laugh a minute...
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six_of_one
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My interpretation is that the mission's real objective was to kill Bin Laden and that they succeeded.
Do you think this mission failed? Do you think this mission was to capture and bring him in alive?
Why couldn't the objective be exactly what the US claims it was: kill bin Laden or capture him if he surrendered? That he's dead isn't really proof of anything other than one of those two possibilities actually happened. It certainly doesn't prove they never intended to capture him if he tried to surrender.
#557746 - 05/13/1101:46 PMRe: Laugh a minute...
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now it's a borders and immigration
What? I thought it always was borders and immigration. Let's be honest, it doesn't much help a murder suspect's credibility when he himself is a trespasser.
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who are these "suspects" you speak of?
President Obama as Commander-in-Chief and obviously those soldiers he decorated for the killing.
#557751 - 05/13/1102:35 PMRe: Laugh a minute...
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What? I thought it always was borders and immigration.
So our last seven or eight posts in this thread discussing Eric Holder's grasp (or not) of law as it applies to self defense -- all that time you were really talking about a lack of proper travel documentation? That's ... interesting =P
#557752 - 05/13/1103:11 PMRe: Laugh a minute...
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So our last seven or eight posts in this thread discussing Eric Holder's grasp (or not) of law as it applies to self defense -- all that time you were really talking about a lack of proper travel documentation?
No I've been clear from the start that there's more than one issue... for example in the 'Obama bin Laden' thread I observed that:
"... the whole episode was illegal from start to finish... for one thing Americans need a visa to enter Pakistan - one can't just go into a foreign country and embark upon a great big killing spree".
Lawful occupiers enjoy a presumption that they act in self defence against trespassory assailants so the two issues are related in that sense.
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What murder suspect?
President Obama as Commander-in-Chief and obviously those soldiers he decorated for the killing.
#557754 - 05/13/1103:29 PMRe: Laugh a minute...
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No I've been clear from the start that there's more than one issue...
Ah. Might be kind of nice not to jump from one issue to another willy-nilly, though, just to cut back on the whiplash ;-)
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President Obama as Commander-in-Chief and obviously those soldiers he decorated for the killing.
Given it hasn't been established there was a crime committed to begin with, I'm not sure I'd spin them a "suspects" that way. But I can see why you'd want to.
#557755 - 05/13/1103:51 PMRe: Laugh a minute...
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I'd say that the contradictory accounts we've heard about how an unarmed person came to be shot dead by illegal immigrants followed by concealment of the evidence automatically raises a prima facie case to go to court - if there's not one here we might as well shut down the courts altogether and let everyone off.
#557756 - 05/13/1104:05 PMRe: Laugh a minute...
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automatically raises a prima facie case to go to court
I think I'd want an investigation to determine if an actual crime had been committed before arresting people and hauling them before a court. But that's just me.
As for not having visas (are we sure they didn't?), I'm pretty sure the SEALs if found guilty of that would have no trouble with being deported back to the US ... Oh ... wait ...
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