#555162 - 03/26/1112:31 PMRe: So how's Obama working out for you dems?
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newkojak
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I agree mostly.
Some of the issues like Guantanamo ran into a political impossibility when they hit Congress. In Illinois, we even saw Sen. Durbin reverse himself on the issue of sending terrorism suspects to the Thompson Correctional Facility.
Despite that, I think that Eric Holder was a good pick and he is making some progress in undoing the mess of extra-Constitutional nonsense that the Bush Administration tried to pass off as executive power.
Iraq and Afghanistan... I guess we're getting out albeit slowly and not leaving pristine countries behind. I think the situation in Iraq is better now than when Obama became president and Afghanistan is... I don't know enough about it.
Education is the one that I'm most concerned about and I really hate the non-solutions that the administration (and all of the billionaire interest groups) has backed. If they showed results, I would reverse my opinion in a hot minute, but charter schools and the "turnaround" models they push DO NOT WORK. (Sorry for the yelling.) Arnie Duncan showed no results in Chicago and he'll show no results at the national level if he doesn't do a little damage.
Health care was okay... didn't go far enough but they did what they could to get what they did.
Financial reform... what financial reform? Congress sold us out on that one and the President let it happen. I just got a slew of 0% card offers because I took out another student loan for grad school. I didn't get any offers when I was reducing my debt load. That's irresponsible and shows that the banks are still squeezing money out of people who can't afford it.
Otherwise, the guy's been a good executive and that's what we need. I have my problems, but who doesn't?
#555617 - 04/03/1105:37 PMRe: So how's Obama working out for you dems?
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iBookmaster
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In the end, we had 2 choices....Obama or McCain. Obama is doing ok but not as much as we'd all like. Who know what McCain would have done. Of the 2 choices, I think we made the right one. Obama said a few months ago it is still "yes, we can" but not all at once.
Just think if we had voted McCain in. We'd have Palin as our vice president "shakin' things in Washington up"!!!
_________________________ Well, until they make it right, I hope they never sleep at night. They better make some changes and do it soon. -Things Goin' On/Lynyrd Skynyrd
#555619 - 04/03/1106:11 PMRe: So how's Obama working out for you dems?
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newkojak
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That is certainly true. Given the reckless way that McCain ran his campaign, he would have been the third to last person on Earth that I would have wanted on the helm during the economic collapse.
I have never wanted to vote for the least bad guy. I'm not there with Obama right now and I certainly don't regret voting or making calls for the guy. We'll see what happens when the economy picks up. I think that right now the Republicans are able to take shots without proposing any realistic alternatives because they simply don't have to. So long as they can take advantage of people's frustration over the economy, they can simply sit back and continue to prioritize their political goals over policy goals.
I think we will learn a whole lot about all of this this summer.
Like Dave said in his post the GOP Party just bitches constantly and does nothing important to try to establish some kind of plan they have at all. There is no one decent running so far in 2012 I see. Bohener is afraid of his party completely and wants to adhere to the Democrats budget policy which is all right.He is no leader so to speak of in my opinion.Obama is to much leaning to the center and not enough to the left.His personality shows this and his policies also.I am curious to see what will transpire in the fall.
#555642 - 04/04/1106:35 AMRe: So how's Obama working out for you dems?
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iBookmaster
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Originally Posted By: DLC
Where's ANY plan from them except cut, cut, cut ?
That doesn't create jobs or solve problems... just makes them WORSE !!
They think cutting taxes is going to make people spend more. It might but not enough to bring the economy back. They think cutting programs is going to balance the budget. The programs they cut are peanuts compared to what needs to be cut. It's like taking a penny out of a dollar budget and cutting programs only ends up hurting people. Taxing the higher income people is a good start. Warren Buffet said in an interview that he's been begging the government to tax people like him more.
_________________________ Well, until they make it right, I hope they never sleep at night. They better make some changes and do it soon. -Things Goin' On/Lynyrd Skynyrd
#555643 - 04/04/1108:49 AMRe: So how's Obama working out for you dems?
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MacBozo
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Originally Posted By: iBookmaster
Originally Posted By: DLC
Where's ANY plan from them except cut, cut, cut ?
That doesn't create jobs or solve problems... just makes them WORSE !!
They think cutting taxes is going to make people spend more. It might but not enough to bring the economy back. They think cutting programs is going to balance the budget. The programs they cut are peanuts compared to what needs to be cut. It's like taking a penny out of a dollar budget and cutting programs only ends up hurting people. Taxing the higher income people is a good start. Warren Buffet said in an interview that he's been begging the government to tax people like him more.
Giving tax breaks to the wealthiest people has never created a job. It has fattened their bank accounts, though.
The Republicans always claim credit when things go well, even when they had absolutely nothing to do with it. If things are going badly, it's always the Dem's fault no matter what.
President Obama even incorporated policies that the Republicans had proposed and endorsed, but when Obama actually tried to implement them, they were suddenly against them.
#555644 - 04/04/1109:47 AMRe: So how's Obama working out for you dems?
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MacBozo, the last part of what you just said is sickening. It makes politics look so corrupt. It makes me not want to vote for anybody. It's like we vote for the person that is the least corrupt.
_________________________ Well, until they make it right, I hope they never sleep at night. They better make some changes and do it soon. -Things Goin' On/Lynyrd Skynyrd
MacBozo, the last part of what you just said is sickening. It makes politics look so corrupt. It makes me not want to vote for anybody. It's like we vote for the person that is the least corrupt.
BINGO !! . . . give that man a Corona ! (not talking beer or sunspots )