UN Resolution 181? That was the 'Jewish State' not Israel.

km

A JEWISH STATE IN THE LAND OF ISRAEL.

Forget it, German. The only state he recognizes is the state of bigotry. Reasoning with this putz is like pissing into the wind.

Quite the wave of unrest rippling through the Gulf region lately. Looks like countries with small minority sects ruling over larger sects are potentially in deep trouble. These conditions could significantly change things for the world outside their borders - the US 5th fleet anchored in Bahrain, for example.

That's right... like the United States of America is in the land of America and England is in the land of Great Britain in all cases defined by designated borders. Israel goes back to a self-declaration of independence of 14 May 1948 not Resolution 181 - which is why it's not a state.

km

What makes a State a State? It certainly doesn't depend exclusively on UN approval, since States existed before that body was even conceived. Regardless, if a state is defined as having designated, internationally recognized borders, Israel has those -- here's even a pdf map from the UN cartographic section showing those borders ...

Historically, States' borders move all the time -- via wars, mutual agreement, sale/bartering, etc. Certainly a perpetually static border cannot be considered a requirement for legitimacy ...

If your argument is that if any part of a State's borders are in contention then it isn't a State at all, several billion people around the world are going to be quite surprised to find themselves (for better or worse) without a country ...

I know, I know but one last think before I am going to enjoy this sunny Sunday.

Mr.K, why the Palestinians don't want to recognize Israel as a Jewish State only the STATE OF ISRAEL

Yes states existed before the UN but the Charter now provides a framework for international relations in that respect. Nothing in the Charter allows for the creation of a state by UDI but it does allow for admission of a state by Resolution of the General Assembly. Resolution 181 describes the borders of the Jewish State and maps which contradict it are of no legal effect.

km

I think the problem lies perhaps with Keymaker's state of mind.

You agree with this Charter but not the European Court of Human Rights. Nice to be able to pick whatever documents suit your needs and call them valid-all else, be damned.

Thanks for the Sunday snicker.