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#551926 - 02/19/11 03:27 PM A historic crossroad for Israel, too…
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… not only for all the Arab world, specially for Tunisia, Egypt, Bahrain, Yemen. Jordan, Libya, Algeria, and even Morocco, but for non-Arab, non-Sunni Iran, too.


Once again Mr. Avnery shows us part his broad vision for peace and justice in the Middle East the likes of which —as far as i have read—, only he has been able to mould (mold) and then put into words.

It would certainly be beautiful if, in Israel, the Israeli people were lifted by a similar spirit of democracy and justice as the one that seemingly travels these days through the Arab world in search of renewal and in defiance of the old regimes and the old interrelations.

I can dream, right? After all, the Arabs are doing it and it's (hopefully) changing the world for the better.



So here it is, another one of my promoted articles…


February 19, 2011
The Genie is out of the Bottle
By Uri Avnery
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WHEN OUR Zionist fathers decided to set up a safe haven in Palestine, they had the choice between two options:

They could appear in West Asia as European conquerors, who see themselves as a bridgehead of the “white” man and as masters of the “natives”, like the Spanish conquistadores and the Anglo-Saxon colonialists in America. That is what the crusaders did in their time.

The second way was to see themselves as an Asian people returning to their homeland, the heirs to the political and cultural traditions of the Semitic world, ready to take part, with the other peoples of the region, in the war of liberation from European exploitation.

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#551936 - 02/19/11 09:31 PM Re: A historic crossroad for Israel, too… [Re: katlpablo]
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You're more lost than the son of Lindbergh.
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#551937 - 02/19/11 09:43 PM Re: A historic crossroad for Israel, too… [Re: katlpablo]
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Yeah, I mean Israel's slightly different because the people are generally inseparable from the 'government' and because it's not a state... that's right, mainly because you can't have a state by UDI and because no state has moving borders.

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#551942 - 02/19/11 10:44 PM Re: A historic crossroad for Israel, too… [Re: keymaker]
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because it's not a state
Don't forget to pay your dues this month.

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#551944 - 02/19/11 11:03 PM Re: A historic crossroad for Israel, too… [Re: Mactico]
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Originally Posted By: Mactico
You're more lost than the son of Lindbergh.
Wasn't he abducted and killed?
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#551945 - 02/19/11 11:13 PM Re: A historic crossroad for Israel, too… [Re: Mactico]
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You have no vision ! laugh

You're as blind as blind is that alley you walk through ! laugh
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#551947 - 02/19/11 11:40 PM Re: A historic crossroad for Israel, too… [Re: keymaker]
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But…
the Israelis can vote, no?


It should be easier for them to influence their government to put in effect more democratic policies with respect to, for example, the settlements.

Obviously some people cannot recognize that the actual Israel/Palestine interrelationship doesn't lead to anything good.

I search and hope that a newer kind of Jewish Israeli people exist.
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#551948 - 02/19/11 11:46 PM Re: A historic crossroad for Israel, too… [Re: katlpablo]
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Well German is correct - laugh

Israel is not a conquering power, are not invading armies and certainly not a colonial nation.

Anyway.
It was the UN that gave Israel the right to be a State - Israelis agreed - Palestinians did not <- hence the problems.


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#551953 - 02/20/11 01:05 AM Re: A historic crossroad for Israel, too… [Re: carp]
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Originally Posted By: carp
Well German is correct - laugh
What German? I don't get it: ally // alley ???

Originally Posted By: carp
Israel is not a conquering power, are not invading armies and certainly not a colonial nation.
What is it? An occupying nation? A category in itself?

Originally Posted By: carp
Anyway.
It was the UN that gave Israel the right to be a State - Israelis agreed - Palestinians did not <- hence the problems.
You keep repeating this "analysis" every time the Palestinian/Israeli conflict comes up. Just so you know, there are some people here that simply don't agree with that simplification.

You have had that interminable "analytic" discussion 17 to 1001 times in this forum already…

Apart from that, you say the UN that "gave Israel the right". The UN may have upheld the Israeli people's right to a state.

Meanwhile, i'll fall in line with macbeemer's sig;
"The Bill of Rights doesn't grant us our rights, it merely enumerates them."
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#551956 - 02/20/11 01:28 AM Re: A historic crossroad for Israel, too… [Re: carp]
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"It was the UN that gave Israel the right to be a State"

That and global guilt over one country's sins, born out of the entire world turning a blind eye for as long as it could get away with looking away. So it goes. The nature of the human beast never ceases to amaze. The desire to erase a nation's sins by assuming some kind of new blown superiority amazes, too. And I'm not talking Israel ~ Which wouldn't exist without the aforesaid stuff. History ~ It's a bitch, huh?
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