Give us this day our Daily Carpism,

It's a factor. I said that. But just one of many. So what else is new.

What Lea said. And let me add that I've been a licensed hand gun owner in the past, and have recently entertained the thought of doing it again. So I guess that puts me out of my right mind, too. *droooooooooooool*

To one of your earlier points, I think you could very easily go down the list of things that the former federal assault weapons ban covered and wonder why any legal gun owner would need any of the things on that list.

Why on earth would a person with a legitimate claim to a firearm need a flash suppressant or a silencer? Why the hell does someone using a pistol for self-defense need anything on that list?

Beats me. Years ago, I owned a .380 semi-auto that held 7 in the clip and one in the chamber. And I had a .38 snubby wheel gun that had a 5-round cylinder. Never felt that I would ever need more (and, natcherly, prayed that I never needed any).

One thing I have heard from firearms experts is that many folks are living in cloud cuckoo land when it comes to using their weapon in close quarters to protect their homes. Normally they're shooting at a gun range, in bright light, with ear protectors on. When it comes to the real thing and you're crouched in the bedroom with your handgun waiting for the guy who just broke in, you're probably going to get 1 good shot off - then you're pretty much deaf and blind.

Given that maybe a flash suppressant & silencer is a handy thing to have.

Thats what I mean by people in the right mind.

People in general will not kill another human being, even in self defense. In the scenario of someone that breaks into your bedroom, you only have a second to pull the trigger and most people can't kill.

Hence there was many cases where gun owners had their own gun used against them.

It takes a certain mind set to point a gun and pull the trigger, knowing your are going to kill someone.

"someone that breaks into your bedroom, you only have a second to pull the trigger and most people can't kill."


I don't think it crosses the mind as "I am now going to kill." It's more like fight or flight ~ and flight isn't an option. You make it sound as though there's deliberation about self-defense. It's not a decision, it's a reaction.

I dunno Lea

I don't own a gun for that reason.
You have to think that owning a gun for self defense at some point, in owning the gun your gonna have to think about using the gun, to kill someone. It has to cross a mind to buy the gun in the first place. It crossed my mind so I never bought one.

There are non lethal means to self defense btw.

Anyway.
I am not against gun ownership

I am against, guns in the wrong hands - like the mother who killed her 2 teens, she was certainly not in the right mind.

I am against, over kill.
Who needs a machine gun or extended clips - not for hunting or self defense? ?

"I am against, over kill.
Who needs a machine gun or extended clips - not for hunting or self defense? ?"


With that, I agree, completely.

Hmmm.. I have no problem popping someone right between the eyes if he has broken into my house and intends my family harm. Having said that.. I don't own a gun.

Remind me to knock first