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Originally Posted By: VarmintBlubber
Sarge: you don't think the Chinese know they have to modernize a whole slate of things? You don't think they very much want to project and coordinate their military resources from thousands of miles away? I think they do and I expect they're working feverishly on it. The Chinese leadership wants this stuff badly and if their economic and industrial might continues to permit favourable conditions, you can expect it to happen.
Oh, of course. I'm simply referring to how it seems the Chinese are very good at copying stuff looks wise, but not functionality wise. Like I said, any industrialized nation can build a jet, it's not really that hard. The Chinese have made cars that look like Mercedes and BMW's too, but they aren't reliable and don't perform anywhere near the real thing.
More of interest to me however are their pilots. Even if this plane does turn out to be at least somewhat decent, the U.S. has a pretty good track record of going up against foes in the air that had both superior numbers and equipment, but couldn't match the skills of our men flying the machines.
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Excellent point, Sarge. Something which can be rectified in a generation's time, should the Chinese leaders ever suss that it's an issue. It's certainly not a problem which can be fixed overnight, but then again neither is building up a large blue water navy virtually from scratch.
Excellent point, Sarge. Something which can be rectified in a generation's time, should the Chinese leaders ever suss that it's an issue.
The Chinese would just be another generation behind, and continue to be behind until they stop copying other countries ideal and technologies and come up with their own. Gheee only now they have their own Space Program. Like 40 years to late or say 8 generations behind.
What we are seeing is an emerging China, with a fast growing economy - Now they have the will and of course money to invest into a new Blue Water Navy - space programs . Yada yada.
The Big Question is; WHY ? They can always hitch a ride on the Space Shuttle or the Copy of the Russian one. We are not at war with China and they know we will never be at war <- so why a Blue Navy? But they have the money to buy all of that , so why not, I suppose.
IMO China is just trashing money at things that is not needed - after all they got there without it.
Why? Why not? Your shuttle program is pretty much toast - done, finito, dead in the water. You're in debt up to your eyeballs and money's thin on the ground. You're an empire in decline and China is one on the rise. They can only squeeze so much out of American tech and resources. As for military capabilities, they don't want you to 'protect' them because they know very well that protection comes with a heavy price. They want to call their own shots, much as you yourself, and your nation historically, prefers to call its own shots. That's natural enough. To do that, they need muscle - not yours, not anyone else's, either - their own. Their own weapons systems, naval vessels, fighter planes, bombers - the works.
They want to be the big kid on the block. Just like your own country has long been. Seems to me they want to replace you on said block. Isn't that obvious by now?
Anyway, Carp: it's kind of funny for you to piously slag China on money they supposedly don't need to spend... how about all that flesh, blood and mountains of dough for Gulf War II, to get all those weapons of mass distraction? Doesn't that count for wasted resources? No? Or is it a question of it being OK, just as long as it's your side that does it?
Back to the Shuttle. Isn't it clear that, since the Soviet shuttle (basically a crude version of the American design) was long ago scuttled thanks to the fall of that particular empire, and since the American shuttle program is all but EOL, doesn't it make far more sense to look into what private corporations are doing in modern times? Seems that the hottest stuff is the private game anyway. American interests still have a big piece of that. Wouldn't the Chinese want to copy that rather than the rickety shuttle program? The shuttle was excellent tech in its time, no question - but it's done and NASA has no real replacement. The money's not there and the political willpower is gone. Space stuff isn't cool now in America. It's just not politically feasible - not with the feds, it ain't. Once upon a time, anything was possible. Nowadays however, dreams die in the rubble of endless, grinding budget allocation wars.
As it stands, and given American problems with debt and political paralysis, the race to put humans on Mars is going to get really interesting. I think we're going to see some serious Chinese efforts there. Consider how getting to the moon was a major coup for America - it was simply huge - it still is. Well, I'm guessing the Chinese want Mars. I don't know that anyone else right now can commit the resources to get there. I don't know that any other country wants that pride of place more than China. I think they're the only nation dreaming of stuff that big right now.
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Reminds me of those old Soviet Lada's which looked distinctly not dissimilar to those old Italian Fiats... but then again, meanwhile, they managed to pioneer space exploration and had everyone scrambling around trying to catch up...
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