#549464 - 01/17/1106:44 PMRe: Makes me want to by another gun
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steveg
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What makes you think we disagree? I'd be just as happy to see guns — every kind of gun — gone. But I don't have to tell you what a cultural upheaval that would be in this country. There are some things that just don't go away easily. This is one of 'em, I'm afraid.
And gun laws? If I can bastardize a familiar phrase: Guns don't break laws. People do.
#549467 - 01/17/1107:09 PMRe: Makes me want to by another gun
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carp
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Originally Posted By: steveg
If you want to plug something, start with beer bottles. Because for every poor schmuck killed by gunfire each year, two are killed by drunk drivers.
It's about as easy to stop one as it is the other. And we all know how willing us 'Mericans are to give our simple pleasures and little indulgences. Forgive me, my friend, but the phrase "tilting at windmills" comes to mind.
Thats a good one, steve, However people who drink beer don't ((intentionally)) drive out and Murder people - like those who buy a Glock 19 with extended clips. I mean like I am going to buy a SUV because I want to run over people, while being drunk
I do agree that the laws need an adjustment. Not aimed at the guns - rather the people who buy them. That needs changing.
People kill people and people with guns do it faster and there should be regulation in every state pertaining to gun control.This is getting out of hand.
#549479 - 01/18/1103:52 AMRe: Makes me want to by another gun
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What's out of hand is the power and money of the lobbies. If this were Arakis, it would be Washington's Spice. The problem with the gun is that control is not the answer, because some people will always find a way around those controls, and those people are the ones most likely to abuse them. The answer is NO guns. Period. Not for the police, not for the military, not for recreation, not for museums... Nada. Zip. Zilch. Non-existimente!
Yeah, right. Problem no. 1 is that guns, sadly, are so tightly woven into the world's culture and history, totally eliminating them would be like removing a day from the week. Good luck with that.
The unhappy truths are that laws will always be broken or circumnavigated, and the repercussions of total elimination — jobs, law enforcement, national security — are vast and deep. And how do you deprive the many because of the abuses of the few. Guns are not like drugs, alcohol and cigarettes, which only have a downside (and they haven't been eliminated either). Like it or not, guns do have an upside which I hinted at above. All this wrist-wringing, as well-intended as it is, is just so much folly.
I completely agree with the anti-gun sentiments here. But I recognize the vexing impracticality of the idealism.
What's out of hand is the underlying problems with society that would make people want to kill in the first place.
You want to stop people killing people? Tackle that, instead of using a band aid like gun control and sweeping the real problems under the carpet because they're difficult to tackle.
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#549628 - 01/21/1101:17 AMRe: Makes me want to by another gun
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Originally Posted By: DLC
I understand we have laws Lea, but where should they restrict/ban and what should they permit? You're spot on the common sense. I'd like there not to be guns except in the hands of law enforcement (militia) and the military, however I Know that's unrealistic in this country.
So given the alternatives, allow all hunting guns and hand guns limited to 5-6 shots and none automatic. If one can't take out an attacker (defense) in 5-6 shots - they have no business with a gun. Require safety training for all owners (just like we do to drive a car). To me that's common sense. I'm also against carrying concealed guns... never can tell who's the "bad guy" and who isn't. I just want us to go back to a "Dodge City" mentality.
I don't see the need to restrict the magazines . Regular folks see the need for larger clips just as law enforcement does. Better protection. Lots of places also restrict laser sight. Why? Don't laser sights allow better accuracy?
Statistics have shown that homicides by concealed permit holders are less than 0.5 %
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#549629 - 01/21/1103:41 AMRe: Makes me want to by another gun
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steveg
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Regular folks see the need for larger clips
Why? How? For what freakin' purpose??? I recognize that some people have a legitimate need for handguns for self-defense. But extended magazines? C'mon, man. Maybe if they have some fantasy about firefights with armies of ninjas or terrorists. But in the real world? Give me a big honkin' break, will you!
Who would need that kind of firepower? Law enforcement — no argument. Military — no brainer. Professional security — maybe. But there's nothing "regular" about John Q. Public schlepping around a Glock with a 30-round clip. YEESH!