I don't see much difference between the two, Michael. I know you believe your statement to be true, and it is.

And I believe this to be true ~ The Democrats are the ones who stick blindly to their party "ideals" even when those ideals are bad for the country. All they seem to want is the power and glory. FSCK everything (everyone) else!

Republicans don't believe their "ideals" are bad for the country, they really believe their "ideals" will make the country stronger. And Democrats don't believe their "ideals" are bad for the country, they really believe that their "ideals" will make the country stronger.

It boils down to which party bests matches your personal "ideals." The vast majority of these morons aren't inherently evil people out to fk the country ~ just the other party. We're the ones caught in the middle and nobody wins.

Ain't that America?

The Rethugicans voted against HCR, even while it contained many of their own ideas/proposals, simply because it was a Dem admin that pushed it through. Their concept of bi-partisan is, "My way, or the highway."

The way I'm seeing the difference between the two is this: the primary, overriding goal of one party for the past two years has been to see the utter failure of the other at any cost -- even to the point of voting against initiatives they actually support. Just yesterday, the Minority Leader of the Senate said the MAIN GOAL for the next two years was not to get the country back on its feet, not to get the economy back on track, not to get people back to work, not to reduce the deficit or try to balance the budget ... but to make sure the current president doesn't get a second term.

That's not a case of pursuing your ideals for what you think is the good of the country. That's a case of giving the country a big middle finger while you're jerking yourself off trying to get back into power ...

At least the Dems talk like they want the cooperation of the other side; lord knows they caved and watered-down enough of their initiatives trying to get the other side to participate. And at least the Dems had an agenda I could follow -- I didn't necessarily agree with all of it, but at least I could see where they wanted to go. With the Republicans, aside from being anti-Obama 24/7 and a vague yearning to get us back to 2008, I really have no clue where they want to go to move this country forward or how they credibly plan to do it. And I increasingly get the impression they don't have much of a clue either ...

I'm just frustrated with both parties right now, and with the American electorate in general -- none of which seems capable of rational adult thought or the ability to make appropriately tough, painful decisions ...

Where's my beer?

Well said. The beer's on the house.

But while they may play the game differently, both parties ~ both ~ want to own the sand box. It's probably more a problem of human nature than anything else. I obviously prefer one party to the other, but I don't give them any more credit for behaving like adults than I do the other side of the fence. And I am weary to the bone of the "but they're worser than we are" argument. So f'n what. One of my neighbors is a special light in this dreary world and another one is a batshlt crazy mean spirited hag. We still have to share the hood.

"But they're worser than we are" always depends on who they and we are. Choose one side and demonize the other one. Same as it ever was. [excellent tune, reaches for the iPod]

But, hey, it's cool. I'd hate to see anything dull the edge on my cynicism. It's just so much a part of my caché and it keeps me from falling under anybody's spell.

I believe the facts will show the Dem minority worked far more with Bush and his GOP Congress than the GOP ever has with them. Sadly the Dems bought all their BS about Iraq and the Bank bailout hook line & stinker ! and No Child too... Their BAD, but they were much more bipartisan overall.

The GOP NEVER returns the favor !

Thats only because we give them two parties <-- take that away people will vote on who makes the best sense - this will eliminate people who vote for the GOP because thats what their farther voted for and grandfather and great great grandfather .

Good grief . . . what makes best sense to me, for instance about abortion, makes no sense at all to someone else. If you really think that people disagree only because there are two parties, then please come over to the mainland, cause I have a bridge across the East River that I'd like to sell you.

LOL - YoYo

Consider for one simple moment -

Two candidates enter you office - you have no ideal which party they represent at all. No mention of affiliation nor which lobby they work for. All they say is their ideals and their future goals (for the people) Keep in mind you do not know which party they stand for.

Now tell me.
That you would not know just from the goals and speech which party they are from? ?

Who decided they were candidates?

Thats the whole point - does a candidate need to decide which party he preaches for ? ?

Simply.
If I dragged into your lining room two candidates you never heard of before - - could you determine which is a Demo or Repub ? ? I bet you can.